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nightwing1240

(1,996 posts)
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 08:01 AM Dec 2022

Things we as Democrats can take comfort in and be proud of

There quite a few. I am going to list some but please do add to it if you are so inclined:

We are the party that is inclusive.
We are the party that gave all Americans Social Security and Medicare
We are the party that passed civil rights bills and fights for equality for all citizens
We are the party that gave our nation the Affordable Care Act

There are many many more.

The reason I am posting this is to give some contrast to the other party. You know the one. They have given us:

The big lie
An attempted coup against our government over a rightfully elected President
Overturning Roe v Wade
Fights against basic freedoms for several groups of people most notably African-Americans, LGBTQ and, hispanics
They do not believe in equal pay for women
Waterboarding and torture
Massive tax cuts to the top one percent
An illegal war
Iran-Contra
Trickle down economics
The Walter Reed Hospital scandal
Thoughts and prayers rather than actions following a mass shooting in schools or elsewhere
Watergate

And plenty more.

How close to half our nation can accept this as fine is mind boggling and numbing. It is getting late in the game
for my generation to do something about this. Here is hoping that your generation or the next can overcome this once and for all.

* edited per a correction by another member

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Things we as Democrats can take comfort in and be proud of (Original Post) nightwing1240 Dec 2022 OP
Trickle down economics redistribution of wealth - upward no_hypocrisy Dec 2022 #1
Your history needs work. A lot of work. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2022 #2
Yes nightwing1240 Dec 2022 #3
No, that is not a good source. Do you know why it isn't? mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2022 #4
Please explain nightwing1240 Dec 2022 #5
ok, I can and will edit to take those out nightwing1240 Dec 2022 #6
Wow! That Woodrow Wilson sounds like a super swell guy. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2022 #8
For heavens sake nightwing1240 Dec 2022 #9
If Democrats are so bad nightwing1240 Dec 2022 #11
You know it is a tough morning nightwing1240 Dec 2022 #7
Because the reality is AntivaxHunters Dec 2022 #10
Agreed far from perfect nightwing1240 Dec 2022 #12
Some people are just insufferable. W_HAMILTON Dec 2022 #13
Thank you W Hamilton nightwing1240 Dec 2022 #14
You do you nightwing (within the TOS) Prairie_Seagull Dec 2022 #15

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,727 posts)
2. Your history needs work. A lot of work.
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 08:07 AM
Dec 2022
We are the party that finally gave women the right to vote

We are the party that delivered the GI Bill and stands up for our Veterans

Seriously?

Do you seriously believe that support for the G.I. Bill broke neatly along party lines? Or that support for women's suffrage was some neat and clean "one party is for it, and the other is against it" thing?

No wonder.

G.I. Bill

Women's suffrage in the United States

nightwing1240

(1,996 posts)
3. Yes
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 08:10 AM
Dec 2022

Woodrow Wilson (right to vote) and FDR (GI Bill)

https://democrats.org/who-we-are/our-history/

19TH AMENDMENT: WOMEN'S SUFFRAGE
Under the leadership of Democratic President Woodrow Wilson, the U.S. Constitution was amended to grant women the right to vote. In August of 1920, Tennessee became the 36th state to ratify women’s suffrage, and it became our nation’s 19th amendment.


In 1944, Franklin D. Roosevelt signed the G.I. Bill—a historic measure that provided unprecedented benefits for soldiers returning from World War II, including low-cost mortgages, loans to start a business, and tuition and living expenses for those seeking higher education.

Is that not a good source?

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,727 posts)
4. No, that is not a good source. Do you know why it isn't?
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 08:16 AM
Dec 2022

Is it perhaps just a bit biased?

G.I. Bill

The Servicemen's Readjustment Act of 1944, commonly known as the G.I. Bill, was a law that provided a range of benefits for some of the returning World War II veterans (commonly referred to as G.I.s). The original G.I. Bill expired in 1956, but the term "G.I. Bill" is still used to refer to programs created to assist some of the U.S. military veterans.

It was largely designed and passed through Congress in 1944 in a bipartisan effort led by the American Legion who wanted to reward practically all wartime veterans.

{snip the part about Roosevelt having to be talked into the idea}

History

On June 22, 1944, the Servicemen's Readjustment Act of 1944, commonly known as the G.I. Bill of Rights, was signed into law. Professor Edwin Amenta states:

Veterans benefits were a bargain for conservatives who feared increasingly high taxation and the extension of New Deal national government agencies. Veterans benefits would go to a small group without long-term implications for others, and programs would be administered by the VA, diverting power from New Deal bureaucracies. Such benefits were likely to hamper New Dealers in their attempts to win a postwar battle over a permanent system of social policy for everyone.

During the war, politicians wanted to avoid the postwar confusion about veterans' benefits that became a political football in the 1920s and 1930s. Veterans' organizations that had formed after the First World War had millions of members; they mobilized support in Congress for a bill that provided benefits only to veterans of military service, including men and women. Ortiz says their efforts "entrenched the VFW and the Legion as the twin pillars of the American veterans' lobby for decades."

Harry W. Colmery, Republican National Committee chairman and a former National Commander of the American Legion, is credited with writing the first draft of the G.I. Bill. He reportedly jotted down his ideas on stationery and a napkin at the Mayflower Hotel in Washington, D.C. A group of 8 from the Salem, Illinois American Legion have also been credited with recording their ideas for veteran benefits on napkins and paper. The group included Omar J. McMackin, Earl W. Merrit, Dr. Leonard W. Esper, George H. Bauer, William R. McCauley, James P. Ringley, A.L. Starshak and Illinois Governor, John Stelle who attended the signing ceremony with President Roosevelt.

U.S. Senator Ernest McFarland, (D) AZ, and National Commander of the American Legion Warren Atherton, (R) CA were actively involved in the bill's passage and are known the "fathers of the G.I. Bill." One might then term Edith Nourse Rogers, (R) MA, who helped write and who co-sponsored the legislation, as the "mother of the G.I. Bill". As with Colmery, her contribution to writing and passing this legislation has been obscured by time.

The bill that President Roosevelt initially proposed had a means test—only poor veterans would get one year of funding; only top-scorers on a written exam would get four years of paid college. The American Legion proposal provided full benefits for all veterans, including women and minorities, regardless of their wealth.

{snip}

The struggle for women's suffrage went on for decades. It can't be summed up in a one line slogan from a public relations office. No one "gave" women the right to vote. Women and their allies fought for years to claim that right. To suggest that the beneficent Democrats "gave" it to them, like some sort of pat on their ladylike heads, is nonsense.

nightwing1240

(1,996 posts)
5. Please explain
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 08:19 AM
Dec 2022

Interesting to say the least and if I am deserving of being corrected I have no issue with that

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,727 posts)
8. Wow! That Woodrow Wilson sounds like a super swell guy.
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 09:34 AM
Dec 2022
Woodrow Wilson (right to vote) and FDR (GI Bill)

https://democrats.org/who-we-are/our-history/

19TH AMENDMENT: WOMEN'S SUFFRAGE
Under the leadership of Democratic President Woodrow Wilson, the U.S. Constitution was amended to grant women the right to vote. In August of 1920, Tennessee became the 36th state to ratify women’s suffrage, and it became our nation’s 19th amendment.

This is Woodrow Wilson's leadership:

Sat May 14, 2022: NEVER FORGET:'Night of terror': The suffragists who were beaten and tortured for seeking the vote

NEVER FORGET:'Night of terror': The suffragists who were beaten and tortured for seeking the vote
(NEVER FORGET that THIS is what happened when women in this supposedly greatest, bestest country in the world demanded their human rights, demanded suffrage. THIS is what the F'N, WOMAN-HATERS would love to see again.

‘Night of terror’: The suffragists who were beaten and tortured for seeking the vote

Suffragists march to the White House in the spring of 1917 to demand voting rights. (AP)

The women were clubbed, beaten and tortured by the guards at the Occoquan Workhouse. The 33 suffragists from the National Woman’s Party had been arrested Nov. 10, 1917, while picketing outside the White House for the right to vote. The male guards at the Northern Virginia prison manacled the party’s co-founder Lucy Burns by her hands to the bars above her cell and forced her to stand all night. Dorothy Day, who would later establish the Catholic Worker houses, had her arm twisted behind her back and was slammed twice over the back of an iron bench. The guards threw suffragist Dora Lewis into a dark cell and smashed her head against an iron bed, knocking her out. Lewis’s cellmate, Alice Cosu, believing Lewis dead, suffered a heart attack and was denied medical care until the next morning. The suffragists dubbed their treatment Nov. 14, 1917, as the “Night of Terror,” and it helped galvanize public support of the suffrage movement.
. . . .

At Occoquan, rats ran in and out of the unlit cells. The prisoners held contests to count the number of maggots in their food. And the prison denied the women a most basic human dignity – their privacy. “In the morning we were taken one by one to a washroom at the end of the hall,” Day recalled in her memoir, “The Long Loneliness.” “There was a toilet in each cell, open, and paper and flushing were supplied by the guard. It was as though one were in a zoo with the open bars leading into the corridor.” Prison officials denied the protesters counsel. Many began hunger strikes. And Occoquan superintendent W.H. Whittaker, who had ordered the beatings, called for Marines to guard the compound.

The first woman Marine: In 1918, she couldn’t vote but rushed to serve

From the beginning of Woodrow Wilson’s second term, National Woman’s Party members, known as the Silent Sentinels in distinctive purple, white and gold sashes, surrounded the White House in wordless protest. Their banners attempted to prick the president’s conscience, often charging him with hypocrisy. One banner read, “Kaiser Wilson, have you forgotten your sympathy with the poor Germans because they were not self-governed? 20,000,000 American women are not self-governed. Take the beam out of your own eye.” By 1916, only nine states had given women the right to vote. For the National Woman’s Party, led by Alice Paul, the progress on suffrage was too slow. They demanded a constitutional amendment to make the vote a national right. Wilson, a Democrat, supported women’s suffrage at the state level, but opposed a national amendment. “What was militant about the NWP was that no group had ever picketed the White House before,” said Jennifer Krafchik, executive director of the Belmont-Paul Women’s Equality National Monument, the party’s former headquarters that now serves as its museum. “They used Wilson’s words against him in their banners. Nobody had ever seen this before especially in a group of women. They were much more aggressive than any other suffragette group.”
. . . .

“The NWP was not going to stop protesting simply because we were at war. They held Woodrow Wilson up as a pinnacle of democracy abroad but not at home,” Krafchik said. “By June, crowds were getting incensed at what they saw as unpatriotic actions by these women.” The police warned the women that they would be arrested if they continued. Nevertheless, they persisted. The first arrests were in June – three-day sentences, mostly for “obstructing the sidewalk.” The judges fined the picketers $25, which they refused to pay. After serving the three days, the women returned to their sites in front of the White House. But the women arrested in August were sentenced to 60 days – at Occoquan. By November, several picketers had been arrested multiple times, and Whittaker had lost patience. The suffragists demanded to be considered political prisoners, a distinction that could possibly mean better treatment at the D.C. Jail instead of Occoquan.

. . . . .


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/11/10/night-of-terror-the-suffragists-who-were-beaten-and-tortured-for-seeking-the-vote/



The Night of Terror: When Suffragists Were Imprisoned and Tortured in 1917
After peacefully demonstrating in front of the White House, 33 women endured a night of brutal beatings.


Dorothy Day was described by her fellow suffragists as a “frail girl.” Yet on the night of November 14, 1917, prison guards at the Occoquan Workhouse, did not hold back after she and 32 other women had been arrested several days earlier for picketing outside the White House. “The two men handling her were twisting her arms above her head. Then suddenly they lifted her up and banged her down over the arm of an iron bench—twice,” recalled 73-year-old Mary Nolan, the oldest of the prisoners, in an account published by Doris Stevens. As members of the National Woman’s Party, the women and their fellow “Silent Sentinels” had been peacefully demonstrating in the nation’s capital for months, holding banners and placards calling on President Woodrow Wilson to back a federal amendment that would give all U.S. women the right to vote. Now, these 33 women would endure the most harrowing night in the long history of the suffrage movement. “Never was there a sentence like ours for an offense such as ours, even in England,” Nolan wrote.

. . . .


In 1913, frustrated by the lack of progress toward a federal women’s suffrage amendment, some younger members of the National American Woman Suffrage Association (NAWSA) decided to step up their efforts. Led by Alice Paul and Lucy Burns, they organized a suffrage parade held in Washington, D.C. on March 3, the day before Wilson’s inauguration as president. Police stood by when spectators attacked the demonstrators as they made their way down Pennsylvania Avenue, and army cavalry troops eventually had to be dispatched to restore order. Some 100 women were hospitalized with injuries. Later that year, Paul, Burns and their supporters split from NAWSA to form the Congressional Union for Women’s Suffrage, later renamed the National Woman’s Party (NWP). Both women had been involved with Emmeline Pankhurst’s militant suffrage movement in England, which used tactics such as smashing windows, heckling politicians and even committing arson. As a Quaker, Paul rejected violence, embracing civil disobedience instead.

. . . .

The Night of Terror

Faced with brutal treatment by guards and horrendous living conditions at Occoquan, including worm-ridden food and filthy water and bedding, Paul and others began demanding to be treated as political prisoners. After going on a hunger strike, Paul was repeatedly force-fed and transferred in early November to the District Jail’s psychiatric ward. The 33 women brought to Occoquan on the night of November 14 also demanded to be treated as political prisoners. Instead, prison superintendent William H. Whittaker called on his guards to teach the women a lesson. Bursting into the room where the women were waiting to be booked, the guards dragged them down the hall and threw them into dark, filthy cells. Burns had her hands shackled to the top of a cell, forcing her to stand all night; the guards also threatened her with a straitjacket and a buckle gag. Day (the future founder of the Catholic Worker Movement) was slammed her down on the arm of an iron bench twice. Dora Lewis lost consciousness after her head was smashed into an iron bed; Alice Cosu, seeing Lewis’ assault, suffered a heart attack, and didn’t get medical attention until the following morning.



In aftermath of the attack, many of the women began hunger strikes, as Whittaker denied them counsel and summoned U.S. Marines to guard the workhouse. But news of their mistreatment reached the suffragists outside Occoquan, as well as well-placed allies like Dudley Field Malone, an attorney who resigned his post in the Wilson administration in solidarity with the suffragists (he later married Doris Stevens)

. . .


https://www.history.com/news/night-terror-brutality-suffragists-19th-amendment

Thu Mar 5, 2015: Today in Herstory: The Suffragist “Prison Special” Comes to Chicago (5 mar 1919)

nightwing1240

(1,996 posts)
9. For heavens sake
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 09:58 AM
Dec 2022

I never said he was and am well aware of his misdeeds and misgivings. All I was attempting to do was point out policy differences, them vs us and I do believe we beat them hands down on close to everything.

nightwing1240

(1,996 posts)
11. If Democrats are so bad
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 10:24 AM
Dec 2022

Why do many groups embrace us?

Throughout history we have had countless Presidents who during their leadership have spoken and done some really awful things but are still considered good leaders. Woodrow Wilson would be among them. Thomas Jefferson owned slaves for heavens sake and though Lincoln freed the slaves, he really did not want them to remain in the United States.
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https://www.history.com/news/5-things-you-may-not-know-about-lincoln-slavery-and-emancipation

For much of his career, Lincoln believed that colonization—or the idea that a majority of the African American population should leave the United States and settle in Africa or Central America—was the best way to confront the problem of slavery. His two great political heroes, Henry Clay and Thomas Jefferson, had both favored colonization; both were enslavers who took issue with aspects of slavery but saw no way that Black and white people could live together peaceably.
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We can all point out the faults of others, famous or otherwise. I do believe I have said many times we have a lot of work yet to do.
Anyways, the last I will say on the subject. Take care please

nightwing1240

(1,996 posts)
7. You know it is a tough morning
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 08:31 AM
Dec 2022

when you post something good about Democrats on a democratic website and are taken to task for it lol but then again, I do not believe I have all the answers to everything. I stand corrected.

 

AntivaxHunters

(3,234 posts)
10. Because the reality is
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 10:12 AM
Dec 2022

we're not the party of "perfect" and we have our flaws when it comes to history.
It's what you do though to correct those flaws that counts.
We have the ability to do so whereas Republicans not only don't, but actually run campaigns on those flaws thinking it's "good" to do so.

We're long removed from the days of Ike.
This was a Republican Party poster during his administration.
My oh my how far the GOP has fallen....

W_HAMILTON

(7,878 posts)
13. Some people are just insufferable.
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 11:08 AM
Dec 2022

Just ignore them.

There are many more like me that appreciate your post.

Prairie_Seagull

(3,347 posts)
15. You do you nightwing (within the TOS)
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 02:58 PM
Dec 2022

I appreciate your post. By the way it should have been "you sit corrected"

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