Never leave children in a car unattended, even for second. She walked in to pick up her order,

[mobeau69]

turned around, and her car was gone!

Kyair and Kason Thomas were inside a four-door black 2010 Honda Accord when it was stolen Monday night. The car was taken around 9:45 p.m. after the twins’ mother walked into a Columbus Donato’s Pizza at East First Avenue and North High Street and left the car running, according to an AMBER Alert.

The boys’ mother was reportedly picking up a DoorDash order when the car was stolen.

https://www.daytondailynews.com/crime/missing-infant-found-in-dayton-airport-parking-lot-after-amber-alert-issued-for-columbus-twins/6KRI7STICBGHVBJGMZ4LRQI7HQ/

[Effete Snob]

1. "The boys' mother was reportedly picking up a DoorDash order when the car was stolen."

A better subject line might be "Never fail to provide childcare for working mothers," but that would put the onus on the wrong people. Best to blame her for the circumstances that led to this.

This is one of the reasons I wait outside for food deliveries. Quite often, the driver has a child in the car.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

3. This, right here.

[mobeau69]

5. Haven't read that anyone has criticized her. Not the police; not anyone.

I stand by my subject line. You have to raise your children in the world as it is. Even if there was free universal child care this could have happened. Your post seems to assume a lot about this.

[Effete Snob]

26. You changed the story in your subject line

The story doesn't say she was picking up "her order".

The story says she was picking up "a DoorDash order" - i.e. she was working as a Dasher.

In a 2010 Honda Accord.

She was going to be getting into and out of that car in subfreezing temperatures dozens of times that night in order to deliver other people's orders, because that's what she's doing to get by.

[Tom Rinaldo]

7. She can be faulted for leaving the car running

That part was within her control to avoid. Chances are high that the car would not have been stolen otherwise. But people fuck up, it's part of being human, at the time she couldn't imagine what happened happening.

[Effete Snob]

12. The temperature in Columbus is getting into single digits at night

[Rocknation]

50. And here's hoping that a strong wind blew her temporary license plate away

...(I)nvestigators faced a few obstacles identifying the car initially because it did not have a license plate and the victim had recently purchased it. Despite first contacting Ohio State Highway Patrol at 11:45PM...requesting an AMBER Alert, it wasn’t issued until 1:37AM...

She was working for Door Dash with twin babies in a car that she didn't have even temporary plates for?


Rocknation

[LeftInTX]

17. Oh that's sad. I don't order out, so don't know this.

[Effete Snob]

32. Very common

[Demsrule86]

38. We have had multiple alerts on this in Ohio...no kids thus far...the bad guy may be after the kids.

[treestar]

2. Hopefully they just want the car and drop the kids off somewhere

safe.

[mobeau69]

9. You might want to read the DDN article. They found one of the boys at the Dayton airport.

The clock is ticking on finding the other twin. It was like 19 in Dayton last night.

[3auld6phart]

4. Damn

I think I will take a break from Du today. so far it’s been a bad start. Careless parents, teenagers running amuck, crooked Ex POTUSand iRS over lords., That and it’s damn cold outside -28C well
It’s not the end of the world.” Keep calm and catty on “auld phart

[milestogo]

6. That's -18.4 F which is too cold to think about.

[Effete Snob]

8. Ordinary civil life continues...

Link to tweet

[TeamProg]

19. Hilarious! Thanks for posting. n/t

[JudyM]

25. Had to be done on a dare. Too funny.

[eppur_se_muova]

10. NEVER walk off and leave your motor running, ANYWHERE or WHEN.

There's just no excuse for that.

Even if she did it to leave the heat on, it wasn't reason enough to leave the car open to theft.

I am constantly amazed to see people park their cars with the engine running for no reason at all. It's a stupid habit.

[mobeau69]

11. Leaving a car running and unattended is against the law in most, if not all, states.

Raises questions about the sale of remote starters, doesn't it?

[eppur_se_muova]

13. That, too. Thanks for the reminder. It's because it creates a public hazard.

Want a 15yo to go on a miles -long police chase with multiple wrecks ? Leave the keys in the car, that'll do it. Then you get to explain your negligence to a judge.

[Effete Snob]

14. Working for Door Dash with a child in the car

What sort of awful person decides to take their child in the car during delivery work anyway? Horrible person.

[mobeau69]

18. Where did you learn she was working there? I read she was just picking up an order she had placed.

[Effete Snob]

20. It's in the story

"The boys’ mother was reportedly picking up a DoorDash order when the car was stolen."

Nowhere does the article say she was picking up "her order". You embroidered that into the subject line, despite it not being in the story.

Perhaps an explanation of what "DoorDash" is and how it works, might be useful...

DoorDash is a food delivery service that works like Uber. Because it is independent flexible gig work, it appeals to a certain segment of the labor force which may have problems with regular working hours, but have managed to keep a car.

When you order from DoorDash or GrubHub, it is enlightening to go out and meet the driver, see their vehicle, and see who else might be in their vehicle.

If you do that enough, then the untold story in this piece becomes clear.

People who "pick up a DoorDash order" are called "Dashers". That is what she was doing.

https://dasher.doordash.com/en-us?utm_source=dx_signup_text_cx_home

"Dasher Gear

After your first dash, we'll send you a Dasher activation kit that contains items like a food warming bag, Red Card, hand sanitizer, and mask for Dasher safety.

Since no two people have the same taste in gear, there’s an online store so you can get the gear and equipment you want, at less than retail."

She was going to be getting into and out of that car more than a dozen times that night. Now, she has likely been penalized for an undelivered order.

[OilemFirchen]

27. "What is DoorDash pickup?"

With DoorDash Pickup, customers have the option to bypass the Dasher and pickup their own orders when more convenient. When you receive an order from DoorDash through your protocol of choice (POS, email or tablet), the upper right hand of the order will state "Order Type: Pickup" if the consumer is coming to your restaurant to pickup their own order. No dasher will show up for pickup orders.

From doordash.com

FTR, it's not "in the story". You "embroidered that into the subject line" as well.

Your attempt to prove your point is becoming more and more awkward.

[Effete Snob]

28. Hardly

If it was her order, it would unlikely say "a DoorDash order". There is little point in using DoorDash for pickup, since it is cheaper to order directly from the restaurant and avoid the service charge. Anyone who drives a 2010 Honda Accord is likely to know that.

[OilemFirchen]

30. And there you go again.

"Anyone who drives a 2010 Honda Accord is likely to know that."

You continue to make assumptions about this woman. Why is that?

[Effete Snob]

33. Do you use DoorDash?

I'm curious about your experience with the app.

Because I use it, and especially when I travel.

I usually go out to meet the driver, since I have found that a LOT of them have a child in the car.

I'll make an assumption that you don't use it very much.

Bottom line - the OP says it was "her order". That is not supported by the story and you can see the different reactions among people commenting who are disabused of the distortion by the OP.

[OilemFirchen]

37. We've used it on occasion.

Our newest car is my 2002 F150. We live in a "disadvantaged" zip code. My income is fixed.

Tell me what you know about me... or us.

My partner recounts stories of some of her professional coworkers who automatically use DoorDash, Grubhub, et al. for all of their meals. What does that tell you about them?

The fine print: Most of the respondents to this thread are making assumptions about this woman unsupported by the article. But I'm conversing with you. What does that tell me about you?

[Effete Snob]

40. If you would like to start a thread about me, feel free

I don't know anything about your car, since there is no full description or photograph of it.

But, sure, her other car is a Tesla and this was just the beater she uses to go out in freezing weather to pickup overpriced orders for herself using DoorDash.

Nope, she could not be someone living on the margins and trying her best to get by in a system that won't help her. Not possible. You are right, she's a moral trainwreck and horrible person who should have her children taken away from her and given to deserving people.

https://www.wcpo.com/news/state/state-ohio/grandmother-of-boy-taken-in-amber-alert-not-knowing-is-whats-killing-my-whole-family-right-now

The vehicle, a 2010 Accord, was missing a front bumper and had a dent on the left rear quarter panel with a torn temporary tag No. M965246 in the rear window. The car was last seen with heavy left-side damage and purple paint transfer on it, according to police. The car's VIN No. is 1HGCP2F30AA031252.



The entire front bumper is missing. So, double-whammy, she was driving a car with children in it, despite a piece of important safety equipment being missing. Obviously, a horrible person all-around. What could I have possibly been thinking.

[OilemFirchen]

46. Do what? I'm happy to continue this conversation right here, thanks.

I've made no assumptions about this woman. You have. Now you're telling us more about her, based upon assumptions relative to the car she was driving?

What the actual fuck, dude?

[Effete Snob]

59. .

https://theshaderoom.com/ohio-police-continue-nalah-jackson-hunt-after-kidnapping-of-infant-twins-and-abandonment-of-one-at-airport/


Ohio Police Continue Nalah Jackson Hunt After Kidnapping Of Infant Twins And Abandonment Of One At Airport

"Their mother left the missing child and his twin Kyair in the running car. At the time of the carjacking and kidnapping, the twins’ mother was working as a DoorDash delivery driver. Thus, she was at the restaurant fulfilling an order pickup."

[Effete Snob]

34. This is why the carjacker was there

https://www.10tv.com/article/news/crime/police-investigating-car-thefts-they-say-targeted-delivery-drivers/530-e189d7e7-13c9-4dd7-b3a5-17c3973eb94b

Columbus police investigating back-to-back car thefts they say targeted delivery drivers



The first happened just before 7 p.m. at 2700 Aschinger Boulevard. The next happened at 1350 North High Street.

Police said the problem is that the suspects take advantage of when a delivery driver leaves their car running. They say some think because they have the fob with them they will be OK and that is not the case because the car can still be driven.

The police reports do not include which company the drivers work for.

To see what food delivery services are doing to keep drivers safe, we reached out to the three most used in Columbus: GrubHub, Uber Eats and DoorDash.


Do you know where Donato's is located? At 920 North High Street.

[Effete Snob]

35. .

The vehicle, a 2010 Accord, was missing a front bumper and had a dent on the left rear quarter panel with a torn temporary tag No. M965246 in the rear window. The car was last seen with heavy left-side damage and purple paint transfer on it, according to police.

https://www.wcpo.com/news/state/state-ohio/grandmother-of-boy-taken-in-amber-alert-not-knowing-is-whats-killing-my-whole-family-right-now

Temporary tag, a just-purchased 2010 black Accord with a missing bumper, dent in the quarter panel, purple paint and damage on the left side.

Yes, obviously a sophisticated criminal gang working the upscale car theft market.

[Effete Snob]

31. Yep, I checked

Donato's has their own online ordering system.

Check out "The Works" pizza:

https://www.donatos.com/?location=65

It's $18.99

Now, check it out on DoorDash:

https://www.doordash.com/store/donatos-pizza-columbus-41349/?utm_campaign=gpa


It's $22.39

This is why nobody uses DoorDash for pickup. Have you ever used DoorDash? The entire point is delivery, but they added a "pickup" option so that they could collect money for nothing.

You are the proud owner of at 2010 Honda Accord. Do you pay the extra several dollars for nothing?

That's why the article says "a DoorDash order" and not "her order" as was edited by the OP.

[Effete Snob]

60. .

https://theshaderoom.com/ohio-police-continue-nalah-jackson-hunt-after-kidnapping-of-infant-twins-and-abandonment-of-one-at-airport/

Ohio Police Continue Nalah Jackson Hunt After Kidnapping Of Infant Twins And Abandonment Of One At Airport

"Their mother left the missing child and his twin Kyair in the running car. At the time of the carjacking and kidnapping, the twins’ mother was working as a DoorDash delivery driver. Thus, she was at the restaurant fulfilling an order pickup."

[TNNurse]

21. No child care, needed a job.

Do not put yourself in her shoes.

[Effete Snob]

22. Indeed that is what I have been pointing out for the hard of hearing

[Lancero]

39. Forget what you wrote for post #14 already?

You're not 'pointing out' shit with that phrasing. You're lashing out, labeling her a awful and horrible person... For what, for not being able to afford 'proper' childcare? For having to take her kid to work on a gig job, in a attempt to make ends meet?

[Effete Snob]

41. Very good!

Now, read my first post in the thread, and the posts I was replying to, put on your thinking cap, and let me know what you think I was trying to say there.

[Lancero]

43. I think you flip flop for the sake of arguing with people.

Pick your stance, and stick with it.

[Effete Snob]

42. You didn't read my first post

Oh my...



Perhaps there might have been something in the post to which I was responding, which may have inspired me to take a certain tone with that person, in view of my first post in the thread.

I know this is tough, but I have confidence you can sort it out.

[Lancero]

44. I think you flip flop, for the sake of arguing with people.

Same reason for you to make repeated replies, on the same thing, instead of editing the previous comment you made.

[Effete Snob]

45. I was mocking ignorant people who have no empathy

And the reason I don't edit previous replies is that sometimes the other person will reply while I'm doing that. So, to avoid being accused of underhandedly editing a post after they replied, I just burn the electrons to make additional comments.

[irisblue]

23. A working mom who is hustling a crap job to keep her kids fed?

[Effete Snob]

24. I know, right?

Read the comments to which I was replying.

That is indeed the answer to the question I asked about "what kind of person" does this happen to.

I learned this by regularly going out to meet the driver so they don't have to get out of their car to make a delivery.

Odds of children in back seat is about 1 in 3, by my unscientific sample.

[intheflow]

29. Parents who can't afford childcare bring their kids with them.

That's probably the whole reason she's working DoorDash instead of some other kind of job where she would have to find affordable childcare.

[oioioi]

47. Username checks out

[Whiskeytide]

48. I think you have misunderstood that post. n/t

[oioioi]

49. Thanks but I don't see any sarcasm tags and it's not amusing - even if meant to be sarcastic

"What sort of awful person decides to take their child in the car during delivery work anyway? Horrible person"

"it is cheaper to order directly from the restaurant and avoid the service charge. Anyone who drives a 2010 Honda Accord is likely to know that."

[OilemFirchen]

52. And it was contextually inappropriate.

That poster's interlocutor(s) hadn't said anything to evince such a reply. Thus the well-deserved pile on.

[Whiskeytide]

55. The post responded to was blaming ...

… the victim, and the later posts about the poor condition of the car (which was in the article) responded to several posts that challenged the notion that the victim was working as a food delivery driver (which was also pretty clear from the article).

You may not like ES’s style, but the posts were on the mark. The “pile on”, while perhaps understandable if one had not read through the entire thread (nor read the linked article), was not warranted in this case.

[Effete Snob]

56. .

[Effete Snob]

58. I came in on the tail of these three posts

Last edited Wed Dec 21, 2022, 07:43 PM - Edit history (1)

"It's a stupid habit."

"Leaving a car running and unattended is against the law..."

"...it creates a public hazard. ...Then you get to explain your negligence to a judge."

Along with the OP misquoting the story to make it "her order".

This woman's child is missing and DUers want to point out that she's a stupid, negligent criminal.

I responded to a string of invective against the victim. But you don't have an issue with those other statements, do you.

The police statement to the effect of making sure "it never happens again" is pretty clear where this is going.

I believe that she was trying to make a living in a 2010 car she had just purchased (the temporary tag) to try to earn some money and not freeze her kids.

And, I'm sorry, if it is some mystery to you why someone in a newly-purchased twelve year old hooptie wagon is picking up DoorDash, then I'll put that down to maybe not appreciating what people do to get by these days. It was less than a block away from the last DoorDash carjacking on that street. It is why the perp was sitting in the restaurant waiting for a DoorDash driver to pick up an order. It is an extremely common method since, yes, DoorDash drivers tend to leave the engine running as noted in any article about DoorDash carjackings.

A child is missing and, yep, three posts in a row condemning the victim just pushed me over the edge to mock them. These people want her locked up. Absolutely, that set me off.

The torchbearing mob will be happy when the other one is taken away from her - precisely the tenor of "explain it to the judge".

A lot of what goes on in social media consists of the public stocks in which the vegetable throwers demonstrate their moral superiority by having a throw at whomever suffered some dreadful consequence of an error in judgment, a momentary loss of good sense, or some other affliction of their perceptual and inhibitory mechanisms. The "Darwin Awards" are a good example of that. Someone does something "stupid" and we feel better by calling them stupid than sympathizing with someone who, yes, did something stupid, as we all do at times.

There was a time when things like empathy and compassion were important values on this side of the political spectrum. That no longer seems to be the case.

[Whiskeytide]

53. It wasn't sarcasm. It was mocking, and that ...

… was explained in a later post for those that didn’t understand. Victim blaming - which was the tenor of the post responded to - should be called out, whether by mocking or otherwise.

Besides, the sarcasm tag is actually an affront to sarcasm, imo.

[Effete Snob]

57. Actually three posts in succession

"It's a stupid habit."

"Leaving a car running and unattended is against the law..."

"...it creates a public hazard. ...Then you get to explain your negligence to a judge."

This woman's child is missing and DUers want to point out that she's a stupid, negligent criminal.

The police statement to the effect of making sure "it never happens again" is pretty clear where this is going.

[tritsofme]

15. Every remote starter I've ever had required either the key in the ignition or the fob in vehicle

Before you can engage and drive off.

[Kaleva]

51. It's common to see unattended vehicles running in parking lots in winter

Where I live in Upper Michigan.

[Rebl2]

61. Yep

[Rebl2]

16. Something

similar to that happened years ago in my area. The mother didn’t leave the car running, but left the keys in the car for some reason. She was only gone a minute or two. She walked out to see her car being driven away with her grade school age child in it. It did not end well as police pursued the car and it wreaked killing the child. Most of the time around here when a person steal's a car and realize there is a child in it, they abandon the car.

[tinrobot]

36. Seems this is more about keys in the ignition than kids in the car.

[IcyPeas]

54. this is terrifying for the mother

this occurred at 9:45 on Monday night. they are expanding the search for the car to neighboring states now.

[Rocknation]

62. Missing twin baby Kason Thomass found safe, suspect in custody

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217489819


Rocknation