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BlueWaveNeverEnd

(8,141 posts)
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 04:38 AM Dec 2022

As Covid Deaths Climb, Even Seniors Skip the Latest Booster

As Covid Deaths Climb, Even Seniors Skip the Latest Booster
Nearly all Americans over 65 got their initial Covid vaccines. But that immunity is waning, and this time, the government is offering far less support for new shots.


PLEASANT HILL, Calif. — Bonnie Ronk is something of a public health matriarch at the Mt. Diablo Center for seniors in this liberal Northern California suburb.

When Ms. Ronk, a great-grandmother whose red walker bears a sticker saying “El Jefe” (The Leader), tells her peers to pull their masks over their noses, they oblige. When she received both doses of the Covid vaccine and a booster and told others to do the same, they did.

But even Ms. Ronk, 79, has not gotten the latest Covid booster, which was updated to protect against the Omicron variant and has been available since September. She said she didn’t know about it.

Across the United States, where about 94 percent of people 65 and older had their initial Covid vaccines, only 36 percent have received the updated shot
, known as the bivalent booster, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Seniors have offered an array of explanations: They were unaware of it, unable to find it or unconvinced of its value.

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The diminishing immunity of seniors has largely transformed the Covid pandemic in the United States from a threat against the unvaccinated to one against the old, many of whom were once well protected. People over 70 are being admitted to a hospital with Covid at a rate four times higher than that of the general population.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/21/health/covid-bivalent-booster-elderly.html
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As Covid Deaths Climb, Even Seniors Skip the Latest Booster (Original Post) BlueWaveNeverEnd Dec 2022 OP
How could they not know? And why the fuck aren't doctors pushing the shots? SunSeeker Dec 2022 #1
Yes, the CDC and Pfizer have been running TV ads non-stop for the past month. GoCubsGo Dec 2022 #23
I am not surprised ... BigmanPigman Dec 2022 #2
Same here, BP, about wearing my N95s! SheltieLover Dec 2022 #8
I keep wearing my mask whenever I am out of the house. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #19
The last two months barely anyone was wearing masks womanofthehills Dec 2022 #44
That is what it is going to take to get people wearing masks again. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #45
4 of my relatives caught Covid in the past 3 weeks. SleeplessinSoCal Dec 2022 #3
I'm 73 and self-tested positive yesterday. I've had 5 shots, including the booster on 10-22. I'm NBachers Dec 2022 #4
Excellent to get Paxlovid by courier. I hear it is the most effective response available Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2022 #14
Glad to hear it is a light case. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #20
Paxlovid - don't make my mistake Iris Dec 2022 #49
We got all boosters.. jerseyjim Dec 2022 #5
I was recently cleared by my oncologist xmas74 Dec 2022 #6
I would still mask big time as the Univ of Texas just reported womanofthehills Dec 2022 #48
We got the bivalent booster the first week it was available in September. Silver Gaia Dec 2022 #7
Got bivalent & flu combo in November, about 40% masked in this part of Canada. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2022 #15
Got my booster and also YoshidaYui Dec 2022 #9
Almost no masks in PBC florida. I am usually the only one bedazzled Dec 2022 #10
More of bad response and craziness Meowmee Dec 2022 #11
a rate four times higher SheltieLover Dec 2022 #12
I don't think so. It's like the flu shot at this point. AllyCat Dec 2022 #16
Thx! SheltieLover Dec 2022 #17
Same ones I got. Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2022 #21
Then I'm in good company SheltieLover Dec 2022 #24
I still can't get 5G from it, though. Do RWNJs lie? Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2022 #25
🤣👏👍🥰 nt Karma13612 Dec 2022 #31
Got ours on Tuesday...my arm finally stopped hurting. Behind the Aegis Dec 2022 #13
Glad you got yours! SheltieLover Dec 2022 #18
Well, if the media fails to adequetely report on it, what do you expect? Pobeka Dec 2022 #22
I live in the southern part of Scottsdale ChazII Dec 2022 #26
Not me! 2naSalit Dec 2022 #27
We've had ours Mz Pip Dec 2022 #28
My whole family has had all their shots Bettie Dec 2022 #29
I'm 68 Karma13612 Dec 2022 #30
And Covid stats are getting harder and harder to find. tanyev Dec 2022 #32
Correct. Every state is different. NC updated weekly now with a less informative portal. JanMichael Dec 2022 #36
I know four people who are not anti-vaccine who have not gotten their bivalent shots. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2022 #33
My wife and I have had all of the vaccinations. Chainfire Dec 2022 #34
I had to go to Walmart the other day. It was packed with Xmas shoppers. ratchiweenie Dec 2022 #35
My wife and I got ours, and we're both seniors. MineralMan Dec 2022 #37
got mine too. no more crowds for shots, felt like I was the only one getting it BlueWaveNeverEnd Dec 2022 #39
Same reason people aren't wearing masks when everyone should know vaccines don't stop transmission liberal_mama Dec 2022 #38
media is no longer showing people in the ER, gasping for breath BlueWaveNeverEnd Dec 2022 #40
Not me! I got it right away. Greybnk48 Dec 2022 #41
Not this one, I'm all up to date with my boosters ornotna Dec 2022 #42
I had scheduled my 4th shot GenThePerservering Dec 2022 #43
Insanity DET Dec 2022 #46
Is it time for a 6th shot? mainer Dec 2022 #47

GoCubsGo

(32,100 posts)
23. Yes, the CDC and Pfizer have been running TV ads non-stop for the past month.
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 09:17 AM
Dec 2022

The "tripledemic" is usually one of the lead stories on both local and national news broadcasts, and they always mention getting the bi-valent booster. It's all really hard to miss, unless one's TV is set to The Propaganda Channel all day long.

BigmanPigman

(51,649 posts)
2. I am not surprised ...
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 04:49 AM
Dec 2022

No body is wearing masks anymore either. I stand out like a sore thumb when I wear mine in any store. I am making sure my mom gets vaxxed since she is overweight and 88. Being overweight is not a good thing when you get Covid.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
8. Same here, BP, about wearing my N95s!
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 06:40 AM
Dec 2022

None of the folks in this region are wearing masks. I'm not stopping. Idc how many weird looks I get.

Irish_Dem

(47,731 posts)
19. I keep wearing my mask whenever I am out of the house.
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 08:01 AM
Dec 2022

I don't care if people think it odd.
I rarely see anyone else wear a mask now.

Merry Christmas Sheltie!

womanofthehills

(8,802 posts)
44. The last two months barely anyone was wearing masks
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 09:33 PM
Dec 2022

But this week I’m seeing some masks again after a memorial in our town was a Covid spreader.

NBachers

(17,170 posts)
4. I'm 73 and self-tested positive yesterday. I've had 5 shots, including the booster on 10-22. I'm
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 05:46 AM
Dec 2022

still working full time; I mask at work and in public. Kaiser sent me a courier with the Paxlovid when I told them I was positive. I've been following the rules, but I know I've been getting exposed by those who don't. I'm lucky to be living in San Francisco where there's still a lot of masking going on.

So far, it's been like a cold coming on; not too bad. I expect this to be a light case. I'm home until I get a couple of negatives.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,064 posts)
14. Excellent to get Paxlovid by courier. I hear it is the most effective response available
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 07:05 AM
Dec 2022

and works pretty well.

Take care; wishing you a complete and quick recovery.

Iris

(15,679 posts)
49. Paxlovid - don't make my mistake
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 11:36 PM
Dec 2022

I used Flonase while taking it this week and had a horrible reaction. But, I did get a negative test back 5 days after find post I've test.

jerseyjim

(129 posts)
5. We got all boosters..
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 05:47 AM
Dec 2022

and wear masks indoors. Why? Because we don't want to fucking die nor suffer from long COVID. My brother died from long COVID in 2020. Hardly anyone wears a mask. We went to the bakery for some XMAS cookies and the people behind the counter, passing out food were not wearing a mask. Thanks a lot!

xmas74

(29,676 posts)
6. I was recently cleared by my oncologist
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 06:13 AM
Dec 2022

So I received both the bivalent and the flu shot this week-at the same time.
I haven't felt great but catching something is a risk I'd prefer not to take.

womanofthehills

(8,802 posts)
48. I would still mask big time as the Univ of Texas just reported
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 10:14 PM
Dec 2022

The new booster is somewhat effective but way less effective than previous boosters because the new variants are escaping it.

https://www.utmb.edu/news/article/utmb-news/2022/12/16/new-covid-subvariants-are-the-most-immune-evasive-yet.-here-s-what-that-means

BQ and XBB present “serious threats to the efficacy of current COVID-19 vaccines,” according to a Columbia study. A University of Texas Medical Branch study came to similar conclusions, finding “low” neutralization of BQ.1.1 and XBB from the updated booster. The new shot is an enhanced version of the COVID-19 vaccine that targets both the original virus and omicron. But compared to its protection against the omicron BA.5 subvariant, the bivalent booster is four times less effective against the BQ.1.1 subvariant and eight times less effective against the XBB subvariant, said Chaitanya Kurhade, an author of the study.

Silver Gaia

(4,551 posts)
7. We got the bivalent booster the first week it was available in September.
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 06:19 AM
Dec 2022

Daughter in her 40s got it about a month ago. We all wear masks everywhere we go. Northern CA. We see about 50-60% wearing masks.

bedazzled

(1,771 posts)
10. Almost no masks in PBC florida. I am usually the only one
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 06:47 AM
Dec 2022

Was in barnes and noble the other day and there was a child coughing all over the store. Not even covering his mouth. I got out of there quickly... Guess christmas shopping was more important to his slime of a mother than her kid's health, or the elderly cashier, who should have been wearing a mask but wasn't

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
11. More of bad response and craziness
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 06:48 AM
Dec 2022

Here cases are up, level is high. I see more with masks now but really very few.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
12. a rate four times higher
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 06:51 AM
Dec 2022

Yikes!

I had first 2 & bivalent.

A persistent infection prevented me from getting 3rd regular vax, then bivalent became available & I jumped on that.

Wondering if I should go & get that shot I missed?

Ty for sharing!

Happy Holidays All!

AllyCat

(16,260 posts)
16. I don't think so. It's like the flu shot at this point.
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 07:26 AM
Dec 2022

You don’t go back and get the others. Not sure it is even offered. Bivalent protects against multiple strains.

Happy holidays!

ChazII

(6,206 posts)
26. I live in the southern part of Scottsdale
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 09:48 AM
Dec 2022

and I am seeing more folks wearing masks. It is mainly the 60+ age group.

2naSalit

(86,900 posts)
27. Not me!
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 09:54 AM
Dec 2022

I'm vaxxed to the max and still wear a mask in public. SO far I have been fortunate in not getting anything to make me ill since the start of the pandemic, other than an abscessed tooth over a year ago.

Bettie

(16,144 posts)
29. My whole family has had all their shots
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 10:00 AM
Dec 2022

I don't get why people don't get them.

Then again, I don't understand anti-vaxxers in any case.

Karma13612

(4,555 posts)
30. I'm 68
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 10:07 AM
Dec 2022

Got mine in October, also got the flu shot. Not done at the same time per advice of my Pharmacist.

It’s all good.

I’m shocked that mask wearing has dropped to nearly zero around us. Including me. But I finally overcame the peer pressure of being looked at funny and donned a mask while out shopping in a really crowded food store.

I’m going to keep doing it despite even my own husband bitching that he can’t hear me thru my mask. Fck him. He’s hard of hearing and just turned 75. It’s his funeral.

Yup, he and I are kinda at a crossroads right now.
But I digress.

tanyev

(42,669 posts)
32. And Covid stats are getting harder and harder to find.
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 10:26 AM
Dec 2022

I check Covid Act Now every day. I don't pay attention to their useless High and Low color coding--I scroll down the page to the actual numbers of Hospitalizations/Cases/Deaths. Texas was updating several times a week until recently. Now it looks like once a week updates have become the norm. So numbers where you live could be skyrocketing and it would be at least a week before you could even know about it. Completely ineffective for a virus that can be caught in a matter of minutes.

JanMichael

(24,899 posts)
36. Correct. Every state is different. NC updated weekly now with a less informative portal.
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 01:34 PM
Dec 2022

You have to dig some to get good info. But to their credit it is still there.

But the rest of the country? Forgetaboutit.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,497 posts)
33. I know four people who are not anti-vaccine who have not gotten their bivalent shots.
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 10:31 AM
Dec 2022

One is concerned about the side effects and is not able to schedule time off work to recover from the shot. One is tired of getting shots and sees getting it as just another chore to have to schedule in a busy life, and, as the article mentions, is a little unconvinced of its value. The other two have walked in to advertised walk-in clinics at big-box pharmacy stores twice, only to be turned away and told they need to make an appointment. There's a lot more confusion and lack of urgency about this vaccine. People are ultimately the ones who are responsible for themselves, AND the messaging/infrastructure around covid vaccines has changed drastically since April 2021.

Chainfire

(17,719 posts)
34. My wife and I have had all of the vaccinations.
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 11:13 AM
Dec 2022

What I think is happening is that people are so sick of hearing about Covid that they have given up taking protective measures and are willing to take their risks. A million deaths? Bah Humbug. Death is what happens to other people.

ratchiweenie

(7,755 posts)
35. I had to go to Walmart the other day. It was packed with Xmas shoppers.
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 01:28 PM
Dec 2022

I was wearing a mask and several people smiled at me. In the whole time I was there waiting on a pharmacy item, I only saw one person, another white haired senior, wearing a mask. I am fully vaccinated and still keep alcohol spray in my car and spray my hands after I get back in the car no matter where I've been.

MineralMan

(146,346 posts)
37. My wife and I got ours, and we're both seniors.
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 01:37 PM
Dec 2022

The headline should read "Some Seniors." Everyone I know has the latest booster. It would be foolish not to. We both got it on the first day it was available. My wife made an appointment. I walked into my supermarket pharmacy and was the first in line for it.

People shouldn't be foolish. They really shouldn't.

liberal_mama

(1,495 posts)
38. Same reason people aren't wearing masks when everyone should know vaccines don't stop transmission
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 03:00 PM
Dec 2022

Most people have believed the lies that the pandemic is over. Who wants to bother with more vaccines if the pandemic is over?

Greybnk48

(10,182 posts)
41. Not me! I got it right away.
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 08:44 PM
Dec 2022

I had a second bout of COVID in November after the booster, but it was very mild. Fever and a cough, but only lasted 5 days. The first time I had it last winter I was sick and positive for three weeks. My husband and middle daughter who lives with us in this crazy time, never caught it from me and they were in close proximity. So their shots worked!

GenThePerservering

(1,862 posts)
43. I had scheduled my 4th shot
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 09:20 PM
Dec 2022

when I came down with Covid (my husband caught it, I got it from him). Unfortunately, I probably had false negative home tests and by the time I had a positive and got on Paxlovid, I was pretty darned sick. About a month later, before I went overseas, I got the 4th shot - just before then I had the flu shot.

Anyway, I still haven't recovered my sense of taste and had the Covid Cough, and then came down with the horrible flu that is going around. Can't catch a break this year! I'm masking up more and more.

Definitely I mask up at the gym - for whiners who say masking is 'too hard', I manage wearing one for hours when I'm out sourcing inventory for my store, and do an hour of high intensity interval training wearing one - duh, it's not hard. I really don't want Covid again! And I don't want to spread germs to anyone else.

DET

(1,329 posts)
46. Insanity
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 09:43 PM
Dec 2022

We got every shot and booster as soon as we could, and we’ll continue to do so as long as they are offered. I think people are so sick of dealing with Covid that they’re in denial. Human nature, but really, really stupid.

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