Will All the fake electors fall on their swords for Trump, Eastman, Rudy, etc?

[fightforfreedom]

Garland, Smith, Willis are all focused in on the fake electors. This is a focal point of the investigations. We know many of the fake electors were in direct contact with Trump, Eastman, Rudy. That's big.

If the DOJ can nail the fake electors with multiple felonies where they are facing years in prison. That's what you call pressure. Then can pressure them to make a plea deal. Give up the top coup plotters and you will serve much less time in prison.

They only need to turn one or two of them and that will change everything.

I find it hard to believe all the fake electors will fall on their swords for Trump ,Eastman, Rudy.

[Fiendish Thingy]

1. There are several dozen fraudulent electors

I can’t imagine that all of them will willingly go to jail to protect Trump.

[GoCubsGo]

2. Yes, after the first of them head for the doors, the rest will follow.

There might be a small handful that fall on their swords, but I suspect that most aren't willing to fall on their swords for Trump if it means prison time.

[fightforfreedom]

5. I believe they can nail the fake electors on multiple felonies.

Wire Fraud, mail fraud, forgery, conspiracy to defraud the government. I am no prosecutor but I believe they broke a lot of laws.

[gab13by13]

3. Where's the evidence

that the fake electors can be tied back to Trump? There are plenty of people between the fake electors and Trump.

Wake me up when Meadows gets subpoenaed, oh wait he was subpoenaed by the J6 committee and blew off its subpoena. The J6 committee sent a criminal referral to DOJ who blew it off.

Michael Cohen made an interesting statement yesterday. Cohen believes that DOJ should only go after Trump for the stolen documents, all of the other cases are too weak, including the Raffensperger phone call. Trump publicly admitted he took the documents, lied about giving them back, then demanded that DOJ return the documents they confiscated.

[fightforfreedom]

6. The evidence is in the J6 committee evidence.

Trump was in direct contact with some, many, of the fake electors. Rudy was in charge of the fake electors. You may want to stop listening to Michael Cohen and instead look at the evidence.

It is now clear, when it comes to Meadows, you will never let go about Meadows not being charged for contempt, no matter how many times you are told there may be very good reasons the DOJ did not take action. Meadows is in the middle of everything and you are worried about a weak charge of contempt? The DOJ may be looking at something a little bigger when it comes to Meadows.

[Ocelot II]

9. I think Meadows is dead meat. He's in the middle of everything

and a contempt of Congress charge is the least of his legal problems.

[fightforfreedom]

12. I agree completely.

I have been wondering lately. Who will turn canary first. Meadows or Eastman, they are both fucked.

[Ocelot II]

13. I think Eastman will fold first.

And he'll blame everything on Meadows, claiming he was just offering a legal opinion.

[Ocelot II]

7. Chapter 3 of the final report lays out the evidence of coordination between

Trump and his aides and the fake elector plan, and there's plenty of it.

The evidence indicates that by December 7th or 8th, President Trump had decided to pursue the fake elector plan and was driving it. Trump Campaign Associate General Counsel Joshua Findlay was tasked by the campaign’s general counsel, Matthew Morgan, around December 7th or 8th with exploring the feasibility of assembling unrecognized slates of Trump electors in a handful of the States that President Trump had lost.33 Findlay told the Select Committee “it was my understanding that the President made this decision. . . .”34 As recounted by Findlay, Morgan conveyed that the client—President Trump—directed the campaign lawyers to “look into electors in these potential litigation States[.]”35 President Trump personally called RNC Chairwoman Ronna Romney McDaniel days before December 14th to enlist the RNC’s assistance in the scheme.36 President Trump opened the call by introducing McDaniel to John Eastman, who described “the importance of the RNC helping the campaign to gather these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were ongoing changed the results in any of the States.”37 According to McDaniel, she called President Trump back soon after the call ended, letting him know that she agreed to his request and that some RNC staffers were already assisting.38

On December 13th and 14th, President Trump worked with Rudolph Giuliani on the plan’s implementation. On the 13th, Miller texted some of his colleagues to check in about the fake elector meetings scheduled for the following day. He let them know that Giuliani had told him “POTUS was aware” that they would be filing litigation in four States just “to keep the effort going”—which the Select Committee believes was to create a pretext to claim that it was still possible for the fake electors to be authorized retroactively.39

https://january6th.house.gov/sites/democrats.january6th.house.gov/files/Report_FinalReport_Jan6SelectCommittee.pdf Much, much more at pp. 372 et seq.

[fightforfreedom]

10. Thank you.

[lindysalsagal]

14. Good. Too much evidence to ignore.

[gab13by13]

15. All of that is hearsay evidence, not admissible.

Show me documents written by Trump, show me emails, show me audio recordings.

So Rudy says that Trump told him to commit a crime and Trump says, no I did not, assuming that Rudy would flip on Trump.

With the stolen documents we have recordings of Trump's own words, we have texts from his social media platform.

[Ocelot II]

16. Admissions by a party-opponent are not hearsay.

Rule 801, Federal Rules of Evidence. Also excluded from the hearsay rule are statements "made by the party’s coconspirator during and in furtherance of the conspiracy." There are plenty of those in this case. Rule 801 (2)(e).

[fightforfreedom]

17. You are so wrong.

[localroger]

18. The key is that the fake electors have committed undeniable major crimes

First off, and perhaps most importantly, except for a couple of states where they were smart enough to weasel-word the documents they created, they signed their names under oath to a fraudulent document. That's perjury, full stop. A big crime committed by a whole bunch of small fish. But the small fish had to be recruited, coached, and instructed on what to do in the course of the insurrection, and if a bunch of them testify that they received such instructions from larger fish X, that's solid gold-plated evidence against X of larger crimes of which the fake elector scam was just a small part. That gets you directly in one step to people who are in turn no more than one step away from Trump and all his closest goonies.

[Fiendish Thingy]

19. Apparently the J6 committee report ties Trump directly to the Nevada fake electors

And if they can get Meadows or Rudy to flip, I’m sure they can testify that Trump was intimately involved in the fraudulent electors schemes in other states.

[Ocelot II]

4. Not likely. These are small fry who got sucked into the whole huge fraud,

and they'll roll over on whomever they need to roll over on if they're offered a plea deal that gives them little or no prison time.

[Dan]

11. Maybe, but some or most of them need to

do prison time to stop future knuckleheads. Lessons learned.

[Pobeka]

20. Especially if they were told by the top dogs there'd be no risk for the fake electors.

I'd bet a beer that's what they were told at some point. So now they will be feeling very used, and not willing to fall on a sword for the ones who used them...

[Ocelot II]

21. According to the report, some of them were told or believed

that their votes would be submitted only if the Biden electors were disqualified, and others bailed out of the plot because they were concerned about possible legal jeopardy. Others went along with it anyhow, for example:

When Wisconsin Republican Party Chairman Andrew Hitt was notified in late November that “the campaign wants to [sic] list of electors,” he texted his executive director that “I am def concerned about their inquiry” and that “I hope they are not planning on asking us to do anything like try and say we are only the proper electors.”85 On December 12th, after Hitt received a message about a phone call with Giuliani to discuss the fake elector issue, he texted a colleague: “These guys are up to no good and its [sic] gonna fail miserably.”86 Despite such concerns, Hitt and many other fake electors participated anyway.87

at p. 352

and

Former Michigan GOP Chair Laura Cox told the Select Committee that
an attorney who “said he was working with the President’s Campaign” informed her that the Michigan slate for President Trump was “planning to meet in the capit[o]l and hide overnight so that they could fulfill the role of casting their vote in, per law, in the Michigan chambers.”106 She said that she “told him in no uncertain terms that that was insane and inappropriate,” and that she warned Michigan’s senate majority leader as a precaution.107 Instead, the group of fake electors in Michigan signed their paperwork in the State GOP headquarters, where staff told them not to bring phones inside.108

at p. 354

[fightforfreedom]

23. Thank you, you do your homework.

[Pobeka]

25. Thanks nt.

[fightforfreedom]

22. Good point.

[Pobeka]

24. Ocelot's post indicates there is a mix of what the fake electors believed.

So there are likely some feeling very burned and cast aside.