Why do ppl hate Apple?

[speak easy]

First off, I have no doubt why MAGAs hate Apple: An elite, West Coast, liberal co., that charges way too much while trying to keep porn off their platform. Oh yeah, and the CEO is gay. What's to like?

[Elessar Zappa]

1. I don't hate them.

I have an iPad and iPhone that I enjoy. They’re not a perfect company but they’re better than many.

[ProfessorGAC]

5. I Worked For A Reasonably Enlightened Company

And, they weren't perfect either.
3 of 7 members of the executive committee were women. Site directors around the world, white, black, Asian, Latino,...(To be fair hiring a Spanish-speaking person to run a plant in Colombia, or an Asian in Malaysia or China is kind of obvious. ) The science & engineering was probably 35-40% female, like the sales force. Legal was over 50% women
Yet, there were things they could do better. Nobody's perfect!

[Initech]

15. My M1 iPad is great.

It handles everything that I bought it for perfectly and has excellent battery life on top of that.

[Elessar Zappa]

57. I have the M1 also.

Great piece of machinery. I plan to keep mine until Apple stops updates for the, which is usually 7-10 years.

[GoodRaisin]

62. I have to replace the iPad Air I got in 2013, they stopped the updates

this past year. Never had a bit of trouble with it, still works great, just no more updates past iOS 12. Think I'm going with 5th gen. iPad Air that has the M1 chip.

[Initech]

72. I took my M1 on a flight to Maui recently.

Watched two movies and a couple of random TV show episodes and I still had 80% battery life by time the plane landed. Even nicer was that the 11” screen fit perfectly on the tablet dock that’s on Hawaiian Airlines seats.

[mopinko]

2. been an apple user for a long, long time. it's love/hate.

imho, they have too many baby geniuses. they need at least a few cranky old ladies like me.
every new device i buy is dumber than the last.
same goes for the stores. i once talked to a ‘genius’ about this. he told me- yeah, it would be great. a lot of grey haired ladies like to flirt w the young men on staff. it would be great to pass them off to someone else. lol.

[Siwsan]

3. I don't hate them. I just think they are a bit pricey

I had my late sister's iPad. It needed a new battery so we drove MILES to the nearest Apple Store only to be told they don't have batteries for older models. Basically they are designed to become obsolete. That's actually what the guy told me. So, the choice was to spend $$ on a new one, buy a used one, or get a different make new tablet for less money, which I did. Same with my phone. Much cheaper than an iPhone but does everything I need.

[moonscape]

16. However, when a battery won't hold a charge, for

$100 they will replace it with a refurbished one that has a new battery. I did this for an older iPad that was no longer sold new. At least one is guaranteed a new battery unlike other places where one might get a refurb iPad.

But yeah, huge gripe that the batteries aren’t changeable by the consumer.

[Butterflylady]

48. That may well be

But I will not buy any apple product till they make them here. I know other companies do the same thing, but they don't charge outrages prices for their products. Where apple products cost pennies to make in china it will a cold day in hell before I give them a cent.

Just my humble opinion.

[womanofthehills]

52. Are there any cell phones made in the US?

Are there any smartphones that are made in the USA any more?

Let’s cut to the chase. Are there any cell smartphones made in the USA? The simple answer to that is this: there is only one smartphone that is currently made in the USA. Yes; there is only one American-made cell phone brand, and it is not exactly a popular one.

Have you heard of Purism before? They are an American company and the manufacturers of the Librem 5 smartphone, which is not made in America. But it has a variant, called Librem 5 USA, and that variant is 100% manufactured in the USA. https://mobilityarena.com/smartphones-that-are-made-in-the-usa/

[we can do it]

53. No cells phones are made here. Are you still landline only?

[helpisontheway]

60. I just purchased my first IPAD..I got a 9th generation one (2021) for $269

I think it was a pretty good deal. Now I’m definitely in Apple world..I have my IPhone,Apple Watch,air pods and now the IPad. I feel so cool with everything all linked up. When my boys were growing up I purchased all of the cool electronics for them. Now im beginning to treat myself to some cool things.

[True Dough]

4. "Hate" is a strong word

that may apply to MAGAts.

Personally, I don't hate Apple, but I don't find their products intuitive. I am just an Android person. My wife is the opposite. She has an iPhone and an iWatch, which she loves.

[ShepKat]

6. from what I heard...

They are just as adapt at watching you as google

[Ocelot II]

7. I've used Apple products since the late '80s when I got a Mac Plus.

I'm not a fanatic but despite some flaws I've always been pretty satisfied with their stuff. I've found their devices to be low-maintenance and easy to use - so, no hating from me.

[FreeState]

8. It's part of the computer culture of the 90s

It’s fallowed the company for a long time. It’s mostly fan boys* of PC and Macs that’s hate each other.

I’m a long time Apple fan, however id recommend a pc to people over Apple products if it’s something the person asking would use it benefit from. In the end they are just tools.

*not sure if a gender neutral term exists now - like most things in computers it’s very sexist.

[Ms. Toad]

9. Because .pages

As a teacher, every semester I had to deal with a number of .pages submissions. I was kinder than any other professor I know - I found a website to convert them and did the conversion. My peers just returned them and made students resubmit them in Word or .pdf fomat, sometimes with a late penalty because they weren't submitted in a readable form on time.

But that's just a symptom. Some of the programs I use aren't inherently compatible with Apple (unless I install a Windows OS). If I'm going to do that, why bother with Apple.

Not to mention that I have to pay 50% more for Apple products (and often double the price or more) for equivalent functionality. I retired at 65 and can life comfortably for the rest of my life, in part, because I have always made smart choices about money - and buy quality rather than brand (which has contributed to my ability to sock away a nest egg that will outlast me). There are some brands I buy - but only when the brand has an equivalent bump in quality in exchange for the higher price. Apple doesn't.

I don't hate Apple, but I wouldn't spend extra for a computer which requires extra work to be compatible with the rest of the world. If that changes (or the price drops enough below the price of a native Windows system to make it worth the extra effort I have to put in to use it) I might buy one.

[getagrip_already]

10. Hate? I dislike their closed proprietary systems and policies

I am very much in the open systems camp, and fully support right to repair.

Apple and I stand apart on these issues, so I don't buy their products. I do have an iPhone that was imposed on me by work, so I am familiar with them. Plus some family members buy into their marketing.

I won't buy their stuff, but hate is the wrong word.

[Tetrachloride]

20. For security reasons, I prefer Apple. If being closed or

something, I accept that there are higher costs.

[PSPS]

21. That's the deal breaker for me too.

Closed system = price gouging + unnecessarily difficult troubleshooting. Plus many programs like AutoCAD either won't run on a Mac or the features are a tiny subset of what it does on a PC.

[MurrayDelph]

47. I'm in that camp, too

I use Tasker on my XCover Pro, for which I have three spare batteries ready to be sealed in if necessary. Neither is available on Apple.

[greatauntoftriplets]

11. Too expensive.

[chriscan64]

35. Not only that.

I am turned off by their attitude about it which boils down to, "if don't like our prices, get a better job."

The commercials make it worse.

[greatauntoftriplets]

42. Yes, they do.

The commercials also have an attitude that if you don't buy our new phone, you'll be so uncool and everyone will hate you.

[delisen]

12. Overpricing, exploitation of Labor, quality decline

poorr customer service.

I think very few people care about whether the CEO is gay.

I have had significant problems with the last 4 Apple products I have purchased so unfortunately I have experience with their customer service decline.

I have been an Apple customer since the 1980s. My recent purchase have been costly in terms of both time and money.

[speak easy]

23. "I think very few people care about whether the CEO is gay"

... which is why only one Fortune 500 CEO is out. Right?

[former9thward]

65. A number are gay.

At least 6 and up to 12 depending on who is big enough to be a Fortune 500.

https://www.cnbc.com/2014/10/30/ceos-who-are-openly-gay.html

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/12-biggest-companies-gay-ceos-140048478.html

[oioioi]

13. Beacuse Apple is the antithesis of Open Source

[speak easy]

25. and Google is not in it for the money?

Last edited Sat Dec 24, 2022, 03:34 PM - Edit history (1)

Google is free as in beer.

[oioioi]

32. Two sides of the same coin...

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Matthew-22-19_22-22/

[madville]

14. Child labor, worker abuse, environmental damage, etc

Their foreign manufacturing practices have demonstrated numerous cases of child labor and worker abuse. Also the environmental toll and child labor abuses in places like Congo from cobalt mining to manufacture the billions of batteries they need. Google and Samsung are tied up or have a history in some of that too so Android isn’t really clean either.

I’m typing this on my personal IPhone, it’s my preference, work phone is also an IPhone. Can’t really get away from that stuff unless I wanted to just go off the grid.

[womanofthehills]

41. The cobalt mining in the Congo is more horrific than people know

Many of you might dislike Rogan but this interview with SIddarth Kara will make you cry. Kara undercover went to the cobalt mines in the Congo - hundreds of people, lots of teen boys in the bottom of pits hacking the cobalt, not wearing masks and in flip flops for $1.00 a day. Cobalt is toxic - so many are sick. So many mines and every week a mine collapses killing all the kids and workers. Apple and Elon need to address this.

Rogan barely talks - Siddarth Kara does most of the talking (incase you don’t like Rogan - Although Rogan said he’s never voted for a Republican in his life and he’s very progressive socially). Kara just wrote a book on kids mining in the Congo - “Cobalt Red - How the blood of the Congo powers our lives”

https://open.spotify.com/episode/3ZBdeZLitzqNPBbvv9QIEz?si=n8B4s6GKQN2ChlJS9I935w

My phone & computers are Apple but this is a problem with all phones and batteries.

[womanofthehills]

45. I'm still listening to the interview- more info

Young 14 & 15 year old girls with babies on their backs working in the toxic mines too - for 12 hrs a day.

He says - has one CEO ever gone to the mines to look at the lowest of the supply chain? They provide cobalt but the villages have no electricity, no schools. He says most CEOs are not aware of how horrific it is but they have not made an effort to look into this. This shouldn’t be possible today - current day child slaves.

[NewHendoLib]

17. I avoid them. My choice to not use their products

Started years ago using Windows, and Google - so, PCs and Android phones. Also seems kinda cliquey.

[48656c6c6f20]

18. Didn't Apple invent Bwando?

[moondust]

19. Always preferred open source.

More competition tends to prevent gouging. Always felt Apple was overpriced, possibly by design to attract more affluent customers, i.e. like Cadillac. ???

These days with so many different kinds of devices and signals I'm wondering if their proprietary development model may be a better choice with fewer incompatibilities and problems due to better quality control.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

22. I don't hate the company, but I can't build my own Apple PC from parts at Newegg for one thing

Also, simply put, Mac's kinda suck for advanced gaming. Very few AAA titles in the genres I like to play have an Apple version. Buying a gaming-quality Mac costs a FORTUNE ... and even if you get one, the titles available will be quite limited.

Largely because the Xbox is basically a little Windows PC, so XBox games can be fairly easily ported from one to the other, so a great many Xbox games come out on PC (and vice-versa), but not for Mac. I'd suppose it's mostly because Macs don't run DirectX.

Having been forced use Macs at times for work, I also FREAKING HATE that Ctrl, Command, and Alt ... are all mixed up on an Mac versus a PC

[Elessar Zappa]

58. Yeah, Apple gaming isn't great.

I have a PS5 to satisfy my gaming urges.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

59. ...

[Iwasthere]

24. Just because a product is twice the cost doesn't mean it's better

Apple products are proprietary. I hate that. No open source apps. I also hate that. I am an android person 100%. I can do so So much more.

[MicaelS]

26. They deliberately make their products impossible to upgrade unlike a PC.

They deliberately make their product extremely difficult to self-repair. They actively oppose Right to Repair Laws.

https://www.macrumors.com/2021/05/20/apple-right-to-repair-lobbying-efforts/

Google Right to Repair and see how many big companies exploit consumers.

https://www.repair.org/stand-up

Frankly, your whole premise is ignorant, IMO.

[live love laugh]

28. Yeah I forgot about these bad features.

[live love laugh]

27. Love/hate relationship for me ... mostly love ... still more user friendly than android

even though android and Microsoft long ago “stole” Apple’s wysiwyg interface.

I like the simplicity of iCloud/Apple ID better than Google which is too convoluted with android and a million other things; I hate the constant and sometimes unnecessary changes that Apple makes just to release new iPhones … sometimes the changes make small tasks more complicated. I love the way my Mac Pro talks to my phone—will paste text from phone into laptop or autocast Zoom to the laptop screen when I start zoom on the move then settle in to the desk.

Oh and my Mac pro is less than 5 years old but the new updates are too big to load rendering it into obsolescence making many features and protections unavailable.

Cant think of much more to hate or love. My whole family uses Apple.

[hunter]

66. If anyone "stole it" it was Steve Jobs from Xerox PARC

Xerox's first commercial wysiwyg machine was released in 1973.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Alto

These ideas were all floating around years before Bill Gates or Steve Jobs glomped onto them.

The Alto became well known in Silicon Valley and its GUI was increasingly seen as the future of computing. In 1979, Steve Jobs arranged a visit to Xerox PARC, during which Apple Computer personnel would receive demonstrations of Xerox technology in exchange for Xerox being able to purchase stock options in Apple. After two visits to see the Alto, Apple engineers used the concepts to introduce the Apple Lisa and Macintosh systems.

The crazy thing is that Apple killed the Apple II GS in favor of the less elegant Macintosh. The Macintosh ended up a software dead end that was held together by some very ugly kludges before it was abandoned in favor of a much cleaner operating system based on the Open Sourced BSD.

Given time the GS line might have evolved into something resembling modern Open Source based ARM machines, but that would have interfered with Apple's walled garden.

[live love laugh]

67. I didn't know that. Thanks for the info.

[TheBlackAdder]

29. Beside the jumping out of buildings thing... The sell new instead of repair adding to landfills...

.

They block Right to Repair, so that a 60 cent capacitor that stops a laptop from booting, it then upsold as either a $1100 mainboard fix or a $1200 new replacement. Plug-in ports that are pennies are made so they cannot be repaired easily, forcing someone to buy a new unit. Making the phone display, battery and logic card tied together so if any are repaired by non-Apple people, it degrades use by software or makes the unit go inoperative. The part could work 100% like OEM, but the system detects a change and disables some functionality or interferes with the display just to fuck with the owner for taking it somewhere else.

Other than that, they're OK. We have a couple.

Oh, other than having my daughter's iPod stolen and reporting it to Apple, only to be told they won't do anything. Meanwhile they will sell music to the thief. Possession is 9/10th of the law with them. There were articles about this years back that Apple was going to have a reclamation process for stolen devices (like a Tile tracker) since they know who is trying to use it and they have all of their IP addresses that they've connected. A person opens a Police Report, pays Apple a $99 fee and Apple just sends the IP list to the detective. Supposedly, they decided not to because a person who stole it would probably not buy one--so it is a way to introduce them to iPods. And, the iPod owner will go out and buy a replacement unit because they already have the library and are familiar and enjoy the product. It was a way to drive further sales. Yes, Apple knows who stole your shit, both PCs and iPods and they don't do shit to help in recovery. They do a little for their phones, but not as much as they could. If everyone knew that Apple would pursue thieves, no one would steal their shit. But stolen shit drives new sales.

.

[Act_of_Reparation]

30. The same reasons people hate other large corporations.

Their bottom line is their primary concern, and do all manner of shitty things in the interest of making their stock prices go up.

Tech people get particularly irritated with their proprietary nonsense.

[redstateblues]

31. Mac is far superior for music functions

It's more expensive but it's worth it

[womanofthehills]

54. Same for art and photography

I must admit I’m lusting after the new iphone 14 pro max - 48 megapixels. My iPhone 12 takes great photos so the new one must take super photos. I rarely use my D5 Canons anymore because I always have my phone on me.

Thinking of all we have while 4 yr olds in the Congo are digging up Cobalt for our phones - needs to be addressed by the world and Apple.

[usonian]

33. There's a lot of love/hate

I favored Apple at the outset because it wasn't Microsoft.
Gates, you know.
And I have stuck with that, even being an open source advocate.
MacOS is Unix underneath, and that's obvious to advanced users, and many parts are indeed open source.
Most open source apps compile for MacOS, especially since developers favor it (because it's Unix inside)
You could always boot up Linux, and I'll boot up a Knoppix or other live CD. (it's all thumb drives these days)
Tails as well! Not sure what the M-series chips will do.

iOS always puzzled me. "Protecting users from themselves"
It took FOREVER in internet time to have any semblance of a file system, so long that I can't wrap my mind around using it, though I do so all day on the computers.

You have to look at mobile devices as toys that someone else programs.
That said, A-shell and iSH are full linux/unix environments (in sandboxes) and Carnets offer full Jupyter notebooks free.

Pro's and Cons.
Steve Jobs killed Hypercard, which if left to mature would be amazing.
Apple bounces back and forth on user-friendliness and user-hostility.
I *do* note that the encryption situation, which for a long time gave Apple and cops giant backdoors into data held at Apple, is finally getting it "right" with the latest software release. It will be end-to-end encrypted. Kudos to many (including myself) who bombarded Apple with advice to do so.

Short of it: Windows and Google suck like flesh-eating bacteria. Go with what works better, be that ios, macos, or linux.
Major gripe with all of these is the blistering pace of change. That disrupts workflows and requires re-downloading developer tools, and naturally, software that's rushed out the door is wildly prone to bugs.

Still, OpenBSD is the only operating system designed with safety first.

All software and hardware is instantly obsolescent. By design.
Capitalism, comrade.

[padfun]

34. I've been building my own computers since 1993

And Apple was closed architecture, so we couldn't build any Apple computer.

Besides, their software was always screwed up to fix when they broke. In 1997, I had a job for a temp agency and they sent me to a place that needed several Macs fixed. I got most of them, but they were a major pain in the ass.

And us programmers like to write our own programs to run things and Apple doesn't allow that. Today, Microsoft has Visual Studio for us programmers while Apple has ???

[speak easy]

36. cf. tonyMac

https://www.tonymacx86.com

[sir pball]

51. XCode, Apple has XCode.

I'm not much of a coder, but from what I understand XCode (the free IDE Apple offers) is top-notch, absolutely the peer of Visual Studio.

[whistler162]

37. Other than the fact that Apple

sucks as a business or educational platform and they have historically had proprietary devices that can't easily be worked on. No hate here. I have no idea about the jibberish you are spouting though!

[pwb]

38. Competitors hate it because it is more secure

then what they push out. IMO. Go APPLE.

[H2O Man]

39. I don't.

Some of the best Beatles' music was released on Apple Records.

Showing my age.

[GoodRaisin]

40. I don't hate Apple, and love the simplicity of my iPad. In retirement it's all I need, that and

my iPhone. They never break or fail, and don’t need anti-virus programs.

I used nothing but PCs and Androids during my working career. I hated them.

[lanlady]

43. Not me! I've been an Apple fan since the 80s

I bought a Mac II in the late 80s to play Crystal Quest and write the occasional letter. Apart from a Win98 Toshiba laptop that I bought in the late 90s for compatibility reasons, I've never purchased any other brand of computer or mobile device.

Apple's not a perfect corporation by any stretch - don't care for their reliance on China for production. Steve Jobs was brilliant but abusive. But there are far, far worse corporations out there.

[milestogo]

44. I've never used Apple Products

and the only thing I hate is the notion that EVERYONE has an iPhone and that Apple products are somehow superior. They aren't.

Oh, and when a got a free Apple Music subscription with another product it took me over an hour to cancel it because their website and customer service are so bad.

[TlalocW]

46. I know I'm overblowing it

But it's the whole, "Oh, look at me... I'm an ar-teest or at least am not part of the rabble using other platforms," vibe I've oversensitively gotten from them. Yes, they've come up with good products and ideas so yay for innovation, but tools are tools. I don't care about fancy looking cars, whether your computer has a bitten apple on it, etc. Also, for most of my life, I've been a programmer, and if I've ever needed more computing power, it was easy enough to put in more memory. Something which is more expensive and difficult to do on MACs (if not impossible on some models). I've always felt MACs ARE for artists because they're better for designers to work on, but like I said that's not me.

[JanMichael]

49. The Cult.

[womanofthehills]

50. Why to hate Apple even though I use Apple products

They need to put American companies in the Congo instead of having all Chinese companies in the Congo - treating kids like slaves digging up cobalt.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/251800/congo-cobalt-mines-china-child-labor

Testimony: China-backed cobalt mines in Congo exploit 40,000 child workers

The artisanal mines “are often no more than narrow shafts dug into the ground, which is why children are recruited — and in many cases forced — to descend into them, using only their hands or rudimentary tools without any protective equipment, to extract cobalt and other minerals,” he said.

One such mine located in Kasulo is owned by the Chinese company Dongfang Congo Mining, he said. Children are often exposed to radioactive minerals, injuries, and deadly and painful diseases as they work to extract the valuable ore.

“They are unremunerated and exploited and the work is often fatal as the children are required to crawl into small holes dug into the earth,” Kyungu testified.

[hunter]

55. Steve Jobs and Bill Gates set back progress in computing for at least a decade.

I won't use Microsoft or Apple products unless someone is paying me.

Their stranglehold on the market was finally broken with the development of the ARM microprocessor and Open Source software.

The curious thing is that modern Apple computers, cell phones, etc., all use ARM processors and are based on Open Source software.

I don't hate Microsoft or Apple, but I certainly won't celebrate them.

The last Microsoft operating system I used on my home computers was Windows 98SE.

I've never understood the affection people have for Apple products. They always seemed overpriced and of limited utility.

Yes, I'm a Linux guy.

[marmar]

56. Apple is not a "liberal" company....

..... they put on the veneer in their ads, but in the end they're just another apolitical profit-driven corporation.

[Iggo]

61. My answer to why I use Apple used to be "Because it by god works."

As other companies have caught up, I stay because that’s what I’m used to. Not exactly brand loyalty. More like inertia.

[GoodRaisin]

63. That's my main reason too, and apparently that's asking a lot

for most other products I've had the displeasure of using these days, which appear to be designed to break or are just lousy products.

[live love laugh]

68. At least you're honest. 😂

I’m in the same boat because it’s not like there’re a multitude of alternatives either.

[dembotoz]

64. use my windows machine for business

never a question if the software will work because it is the industry standard
guess apple is better with art and music....i do not do that.

also cost
i am the one who has to pony up and pay for the family computers.
I can afford windows, i can not afford mac

[Polybius]

69. Overpriced, plus they censor what apps can be in their App store

Very tough to sideload apps not approved by the powers that be.

[Skittles]

70. I've never bought an Apple product

they simply do not appeal to me - at ALL

[Yavin4]

71. I don't hate them. I just think that they're overrated.

Most tech companies are highly overrated.

[Meowmee]

73. I don't

they are the only devices that really work well for me. But there are some things I really dislike about them. They are very controlling and way overpriced. My current phone I got for free with points on the credit card.

I never use the pass code system on my phone now and I don’t update to their crazy new security system either. Which they try to trick you into each time you do a new operating system- because you could get locked out of your device and they won’t let you back in….that happened with my father when he was in the hospital and they were very nasty to me on the phone so we figured out a way around it and. I immediately disabled the pc which he could not remember.

They used to have much better cs, but I’ve had several phone calls with them where the people were very condescending and rude- I made complaints about that. The in-store help is almost non existant now and the people there are also not very nice and not helpful like they used to be.

If Linux based systems devices were easier for me to use and more user-friendly I would still be using them to be honest. I tried a Samsung tablet once and it was horrible, so confusing and nothing worked well on it, and it was very slow. I have been thinking about trying a Samsung phone but I’m not sure yet.

As far as the labor and ethics issues go I have read bad things about their competitors as well. There is no such thing as perfection. But there should be room for improvement.

[Karma13612]

74. I don't.

But I see your point.

I knew an IT tech years ago who said their MAC desktop computers were best used as doorstops. So there’s that.

Several years ago I jumped on the bandwagon with my first iPad. The very same tech who badmouthed the doorstops bought an iPad first so I followed his heartfelt recommendation.

I am now on my second iPad and went for a pro. I am also on my second iPhone. I have tried the android OS and hated it. It’s Apple IOS for me. But I don’t upgrade every year. More like every 4-6 as the need arises.

But I use a windows system for laptop and desktop which feels better for budget, household, and photo editing since I’m so used to that system from decades of use while employed.

I don’t mind if people criticize something, but they need to explain their dislike. And it can’t be “just cause’ they hate people who eat arugula and sip wine instead of gobs-full of French fries and chugging beer. 🙄