Two stories about the recovery of the kidnapped Ohio twin baby:

[sl8]

Two different accounts of the baby's rescue (notice who's not mentioned in the second). I had to leave out an awful lot, especially from the IndyStar piece. Worth reading the article.

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2022/12/24/kason-thomas-kyair-thomas-missing-columbus-twins-indianapolis-women-mecka-curry-shyann-delmar/69754770007

A chance encounter and mother's intuition: How 2 Indy women helped find missing Ohio twin

Sarah Nelson
Indianapolis Star
Published 1:01 pm ET Dec. 24, 2022

[...]

The first stop was 16th Street and then they drove to a shopping center in Speedway and checked out several cars there without success.

The women were about to give up, they said, and were getting hungry. They saw a Papa John's on Indiana Avenue and were thinking about getting food when they saw a Honda in a parking lot covered in snow.

Curry said she ran to the car and saw baby legs in the back seat and the baby’s face in the rear-view mirror, and her heart began racing, knowing this had to be the vehicle. The back car door was locked, and she feared the worst after hearing no sound. Delmar said she saw a couple officers inside a Blaze Pizza nearby and rushed to tell them about the baby.

"We've been alerted that the missing child may be located over here at the vehicle at 10th and Indiana," an officer is heard saying at about 6:40 p.m. in police radio communications.

[...]

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https://ksltv.com/515537/police-found-missing-kidnapped-baby-when-they-stopped-to-eat/

Police found missing kidnapped baby when they stopped to eat

Dec 24, 2022, 3:12 PM
BY AMANDA MUSA AND HARMEET KAUR, CNN

(CNN) — Two Indianapolis police officers had spent the day searching in vain for a missing baby in a stolen vehicle when they stopped to eat and gather their wits.

[...]

“It was time for us to decompress because we were disappointed that we could not find him,” Sgt. Shawn Anderson of the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department told CNN affiliate WISH-TV. “And then God opened up the heavens to us and almost took him and put him right in our hands.”

There, outside a Papa John’s in the very plaza where Anderson and Sgt. Richard El had stopped to eat, was the stolen car. Kason was inside. The five-month-old had been missing for nearly three full days, and had likely been alone for most of the time.

“When we found him, he was cold, right, but he was awake, he was breathing, he was moving around a little bit,” El said in an interview with WBNS-TV. “His eyes were open wide and just trying to take everything in.”

[...]

[Sky Jewels]

1. Ugh.

The cops gave “God” credit, but not the actually existing beings who found him.

And why did their psychopathic cruel asshole of a deity cause or allow the babies to be put in danger in the first place?

[LisaL]

4. Yea, it wasn't god. It was two women who used clues to search for

the child and told police where the child was.

[Hortensis]

2. No way of knowing from this, but if the two women's account

is true there will be records of the contacts they made with the police.

Whatever, both accounts put the five-month-old baby alone in a car in a snowy parking lot for probably a long time, but in good shape. Terrifying and wonderful. Could have been so different.

[LisaL]

3. There is no doubt whatsoever that the women's account is the true one.

Some articles mention that cops who found the baby did so with the help from the public after they got a tip.
Well these two women are the public who found the car with the baby and told cops about it. Cops only "found the baby" if going to the car after the women told them that the baby was in the car is "finding the baby."

[Hortensis]

13. I did a very quick search for an official Indianapolis PD statement

but didn't find it. That could suggest the PD is investigating the accounts before making one. Or maybe they did and that helped confirm to you which account is true?

I see no reason to believe or disbelieve the women at this point until their version is corroborated. Lots of times people step up to claim to be murderers when they're not, to witness what they didn't, etc. That's normal in cases that attract much lesss attention than this one. I've seen it personally, more than once.

Just "stick a pin in it it" and wait for the truth to surface. If they did contact the authorities as they said, there WILL be records of it. And they'll be heroes.

[LisaL]

21. There is nothing here to wait for.

The two women found the baby.
And then told police where he was. They are the heroes in this story.

[Hortensis]

26. Okay, do you have a fact to offer?

The truth is whatever it is. Unless we have facts that justify forming an opinion on this, why even bother?

It's not religion; there's no need to take a faith-based "stand" for one story or another. Just wait for the truth to surface. Btw, I just looked and found nothing new.

[LisaL]

28. I am not sure why you keep arguing about something not in dispute.

It's not being disputed by anyone that these two women found the baby.

[Hortensis]

32. LisaL, the OP is about conflicting stories.

To date several newspaper accounts make no mention of the women. Including two of the most recent, one day ago and AFTER the women's account was made public, from CNN and Action News.

It would make sense for CNN not to mention them at all if their story was found to be disproven because this story is not about them -- it's about the baby.

Again, wait and wonder?

[LisaL]

34. Well, keep on waiting.

Again, it's not in dispute that the two women actually found the baby. One of the OP stories simply omits that.

[plimsoll]

23. You should always do that,

but the police can’t be assumed to be accurate either.

[Hortensis]

24. Right. But they'd have a huge problem covering this up with

all the witnesses who can be rounded up to those women's efforts (including traffic and other cameras that can document their locations), and hiding multiple official records, including store cameras, etc, wouldn't they? Same for the officers and other police actions.

I'm not claiming some wouldn't try if they had personal reason and they thought they could get away with it, but in this case the truth will be determined.

[LisaL]

25. Here.

Watch this:
https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/mothers-intuition-how-2-indiana-moms-capture-suspect-rescue-missing-ohio-baby-kason-thomas

[Hortensis]

30. Yes, I read that before. It's chock full of details that can

and no doubt will be checked out. Look at all those people and places involved.

It'll be nice if their story turns out to be true, won't it? They'll be proven heroes, inspiring others to care and keep their eyes out. Maybe they'll write a book, or a movie will be based on their story.

Btw, it'll also be nice if it turns out that police officers found the baby while doing their job.

Itm, what we DO know is that this baby's story has a happy ending either way.

[LisaL]

31. Police officers "found the baby" after being told by the women

where the baby was. It was reported from the start that police found the baby after getting a tip from public. Well the tip was the women telling them where the baby was. So it wouldn't be nice if police found the baby, it would be a fantasy.

[Hortensis]

35. This is a lesson in following a news story. One thing I noticed

is that none of the stories that weren't about the women's efforts didn't mention them at all. Isn't that strange if they DID provide information that saved that baby's life?

If two caring, very concerned citizens went out to find the baby and found evidence leading to the police finding him, that would be NEWS. Big human interest news. One of those warm-fuzzies stories evening news shows like to close with. Eventually follow-ups showing them accepting an award for their role and giving talks to schoolchildren about being involved.

Something else: If their story is true, it's PROVABLE. And police suppression of it will itself become a BIG news story, so if true expect promises that it'll be investigated, public statement of findings, calls for resignation(s), etc. You can count on it.

[LisaL]

37. It already is news.

Why are you ignoring all the news about it?

[Hortensis]

39. Lisa, this is an example of the importance of both not believing

or DISbelieving anything without identifying a factual basis for it.

The Truth Will Set You Free, But First it Will Piss You Off – Gloria Steinem.

Too often true, but it's virtually guaranteed to keep those who don't want to be from being tricked into electing people who lie to them.

I'd stick a pin in this. There's still a distant possibility the women did provide a signficant tip.

[intheflow]

40. What is it that makes you doubt the veracity of this report?

The IndyStar is respectable newspaper and they attest to the truthfulness of the story. There is nothing ambiguous about this report. Claiming these women are not truthful is a bizarre hill for you to die on.

Meanwhile, we know that the police lie all the time to make themselves look better.

Also, meanwhile, here's a CNN report that gives credit to the two women: https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/24/us/missing-twins-columbus-ohio-saturday/index.html

[LeftInTX]

5. Wow!!!

Maybe the cops didn't want to.provide a third hand account to the media? Keep in mind, they have a case to prosecute anything they say will be used in court, so they watered it all down.

Quite a story and great sleuthing by the woman who led to the rescue.

I thought the little fella was a goner. So glad he was found!
Indy Star well worth the read!

[LisaL]

6. Well the accurate account is that they were told

where the child was by the two women who actually found the child.
The articles claiming that the cops found the child are highly misleading.

[LeftInTX]

7. It's a media a thing. They now have a case to prosecute.

Why give all the details to.the media? It was obvious it was the two women, but if they got any details wrong, it could backfire, so they told a completely sanitized version.

[LisaL]

8. I am not sure how prosecution would be affected by accurate information.

Claiming police found the baby when they didn't exactly the best journalistic work.

[LeftInTX]

9. One was newspaper, other was TV

There is a different. TV can be sloppy.

[sl8]

10. Do you suspect that the cops actually gave credit to the women and CNN left it out?

Otherwise, I don't see how the womens' role being left out can be blamed on sloppy TV reporting.

[LeftInTX]

12. No, they didn't

But do they really want to go into the details?
Do they want to say anything that could hurt the case?

Like, "At 5 pm we got a call"

Defense attorney: "You said that you got a call at 5 pm. However records do not show you received a call at 5 pm"

[sl8]

14. I don't see how giving the two women credit hurts the case.

I don't understand the "5 pm call" example. Is this a hypothetical?

[LeftInTX]

15. Yes. Let's say they got a call at 4:45, but said 5 pm

Then a defense attorney will poke holes in the case.
Hypothetical. It happens.
What happens in court is what matters, not in a press statement.

[sl8]

16. OK.

What if they said they found the baby, but actually someone else did? Sounds similar to your scenario.

How would the details of who discovered the baby help the kidnapper's case?

Maybe it will turn out that the cops were misquoted. Maybe it will turn out that they do have a good reason for claiming all the credit. Right now, though, it seems a little sleazy, to me.

On edit:
Rereading your last sentence, it seems to contradict your other points. If what's said in a press statement doesn't matter, then we're back to asking why they didn't give the women credit.

[LisaL]

19. But implying they found the baby because god led them to the baby doesn't

hurt the case?
I am puzzled by your logic here.
How is telling the truth hurts the case but not telling the truth doesn't?

[pnwmom]

11. No, it wasn't a sanitized version. There was nothing about the women that was dirty.

It was an edited version, edited to give the police all the credit.

[CatWoman]

17. I read the article yesterday

1. without the cousins, that woman would not have been arrested. the police intended on taking her to a shelter and be done with her.

2. without the cousins, the baby would not have been rescued. he was left in a locked car and would have most likely froze to death.

3. Indianapolis police are fucking worthless.

[LisaL]

18. Yes, the child was found right before weather turned super cold.

He most likely wouldn't have lasted through the night.
Article claiming police found the child makes the police smell like a rose. Only it isn't accurate.
They didn't find the child.
Two women did.

[CatWoman]

20. yep, AND

the women had to be really persistent about the police apprehending the suspect.

[LisaL]

22. Boggles the mind, doesn't it?

First, police seems really un-interested about apprehending the suspect. They really had to be convinced to arrest her. And they appear to take the full credit about finding the child they didn't actually find.

[TomDaisy]

27. crack police work! missing car right in front of you that you failed to notice

Thank god alert citizens were there to stop you from eventually... finding a dead child

[LisaL]

29. The next morning he would have been frozen to death.

There was no time to waste.

[HoosierDebbie]

33. IMO - The Police Want to Be Heroes

The Police want to be heroes, so they tell the story in a way that isn't really all a lie, merely omissions. Also again IMO, the story from CNN implies that the police had been searching for the car to find the baby. Ummm. Sincerely doubt they were actively trying to solve a Columbus problem.

[LisaL]

36. My feelings exactly.

The story that claims police found the baby simply omits the fact that police only "found the baby" after they were told where the baby actually was.
I am not sure how they were searching for him either.
They certainly didn't notice the parked car they were supposedly looking for when they stopped to eat at a nearby place.
Also, it was hard to convince them to even arrest the suspect.

[Emile]

38. All cops are on an ego trip. Want to beat a speeding ticket?

Say something to build up their ego.