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StarryNite

(9,467 posts)
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 10:53 PM Dec 2022

Arizona Is in a Race to the Bottom of Its Water Wells, With Saudi Arabia's Help

Arizona Is in a Race to the Bottom of Its Water Wells, With Saudi Arabia’s Help

Arizona’s water is running worryingly low. Amid the worst drought in more than a millennium, which has left communities across the state with barren wells, the state is depleting what remains of its precious groundwater. Much of it goes to private companies nearly free, including Saudi Arabia’s largest dairy company.

Thanks to fresh scrutiny this year from state politicians, water activists and journalists, the Saudi agricultural giant Almarai has emerged as an unlikely antagonist in the water crisis. The company, through its subsidiary Fondomonte, has been buying and leasing land across western Arizona since 2014. This year The Arizona Republic published a report showing that the Arizona State Land Department has been leasing 3,500 acres of public land to Almarai for a suspiciously low price.

The case has prompted calls for an investigation into how a foreign company wound up taking the state’s dwindling water supplies for a fee that might be as low as one-sixth the market rate. But the focus on the Saudi scheme obscures a more fundamental problem: pumping groundwater in Arizona remains largely unregulated. It’s this legal failing that, in part, allows the Saudi company to draw unlimited amounts of water to grow an alfalfa crop that feeds dairy cows 8,000 miles away.

Even if Fondomonte leaves the state, it will be only a matter of time before Arizona sucks its aquifers dry. While a 1980 state law regulates groundwater use in a handful of urban areas, water overuse is common even in these places. The situation is worse in the roughly 80 percent of Arizona’s territory that falls outside these regulations. In most of rural Arizona, whoever has the money to drill a well can continue to pump till the very last drop.


[link:https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/26/opinion/arizona-water-colorado-river-saudi-arabia.html?fbclid=IwAR0IPTLxX3RjsLz0qqWgj25-hYg1aZLgSYNZpuc91TvArW7qYx3upm2joGQ|

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Arizona Is in a Race to the Bottom of Its Water Wells, With Saudi Arabia's Help (Original Post) StarryNite Dec 2022 OP
Interesting problem for... 2naSalit Dec 2022 #1
A red governor for just a few more days! StarryNite Dec 2022 #2
Such a 180 Turnabout for Cha Dec 2022 #3
Hopefullly. 2naSalit Dec 2022 #4
Yup, a lot of Arizonans don't want StarryNite Dec 2022 #6
Arizona mulls piping in water from Mexico as Colorado River continues decline Sogo Dec 2022 #5
Gee... 2naSalit Dec 2022 #7
+1. ??? yonder Dec 2022 #15
I posted this under the wrong comment. StarryNite Dec 2022 #8
My, my, the Saudis would never do such a thing. BigmanPigman Dec 2022 #9
For as long as I can remember, in my life I was told that one day, our water Bev54 Dec 2022 #10
I believe it's true too. StarryNite Dec 2022 #13
Yes it will be. Same for Michigan Buckeyeblue Dec 2022 #17
Eventually, control of the fresh water of the Great Lakes region will become highly political. roamer65 Dec 2022 #18
Reminds me of high school course yankee87 Dec 2022 #11
The last year. If you take out twice as much each year Captain Zero Dec 2022 #16
It's even worse in Michigan Takket Dec 2022 #12
Good grief. StarryNite Dec 2022 #14

StarryNite

(9,467 posts)
2. A red governor for just a few more days!
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 11:13 PM
Dec 2022

Hopefully Gov Hobbs will be able to do something about this.

StarryNite

(9,467 posts)
8. I posted this under the wrong comment.
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 11:59 PM
Dec 2022

I meant to put it under this one.

A lot of Arizonans don’t want their people but they will be begging for their water. Put up that wall but can we make a deal for your water?

Without the Mexicans Arizona would be in a world of hurt.

BigmanPigman

(51,649 posts)
9. My, my, the Saudis would never do such a thing.
Wed Dec 28, 2022, 12:31 AM
Dec 2022


Jared will be giving them loot for 50 years and Ivanka will kiss their asses just as much as her Big Fat Daddy kissed the glowing orb and saved the sabers as souvenirs (are they at Mar A Lardo with the rest of his trophies?).

Bev54

(10,088 posts)
10. For as long as I can remember, in my life I was told that one day, our water
Wed Dec 28, 2022, 12:56 AM
Dec 2022

in Canada would be more precious than our oil reserves. I have always believed that to be true.

Buckeyeblue

(5,505 posts)
17. Yes it will be. Same for Michigan
Wed Dec 28, 2022, 10:38 AM
Dec 2022

I think in the next 10 years we will see a great deal of people relocating to Michigan and other great lake states. You get harsh winters, for sure. But you also get beautiful summers. And these states are not going to run out of water.

If I was in AZ, I would be selling my house while there is still value and getting the hell out.

roamer65

(36,748 posts)
18. Eventually, control of the fresh water of the Great Lakes region will become highly political.
Wed Dec 28, 2022, 10:47 AM
Dec 2022

It will even redefine national borders.

Water is a necessity of life.

You are right.

yankee87

(2,188 posts)
11. Reminds me of high school course
Wed Dec 28, 2022, 01:08 AM
Dec 2022

Don’t remember which class but it was called, The Tragedy of the Commons. That’s where since taking more fish out of the lake, gets you more profit, the lake loses all its fish in a year.
I can’t believe this is truly happening now.

Captain Zero

(6,851 posts)
16. The last year. If you take out twice as much each year
Wed Dec 28, 2022, 02:40 AM
Dec 2022

It's if you double what you take out each year. And only talk about replacing the fish. You eventually get to where you reach a year where half the fish are removed from the lake. So the next year they will be gone.

The example works better with Lily pads covering a pond.

It all goes back to some of Malthus's ideas.

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