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On Wednesday, Tony Ortega, a journalist covering happenings within the Church of Scientology, reported that a high-ranking member in Clearwater, Florida brutally took her own life.
"We began looking into this matter, making some calls, and learned that the Clearwater Police Department had investigated this womans death. Yesterday, the department sent us its report of that investigation," reported Ortega. "Whitney Mills was 40 when she shot herself on May 12 and then died days later at Morton Plant hospital. We want to warn you that the details are very disturbing, and they do bring up questions about her involvement in Scientology."
Mills was what Scientologists refer to as an "Operating Thetan Level Eight" or OT 8, which she was certified on the Scientology cruise ship, the Freewinds, in 2019. "As we discussed after Kirstie Alleys death, when Scientologists achieve OT 8, they believe they will be granted 'cause over matter, energy, space, and time.' In other words, the gamut of superhuman abilities that they have been pursuing for years and after parting with large amounts of money. Finally, they will have raised IQ, total recall, perfect eyesight, the ability to leave their bodies and travel as incorporeal spirits called 'thetans' with full perception. And, of course, they believe they will be impervious to disease."
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https://www.rawstory.com/whitney-mills/
walkingman
(7,688 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)You wouldn't believe it if I told you what I've done in pursuit of that "serve one another in love" mumbo-jumbo. Let's just say some hungry people got fed, other people got clothed, and even some homeless people got a place to live. Repressive!
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)I've contributed and participated in things like that with no religion at all.
What does religion bring to the table? Without it, you wouldn't do those things?
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)One person doing something can achieve only so much. 20 people doing it multiplies the effort in ways far in excess of 20 fold. Meeting regularly keeps us apprised of other opportunities for service, and provides a resource for people and organizations who might want to be in touch with a dependable pool of ready volunteers.
Genki Hikari
(1,766 posts)Furthermore:
More good has been done for more people thanks to SECULAR government in the past 100 years or so than religion has ever accomplished in all its ugly, violent history. More people have been lifted out of poverty. More sick people have been healed.
We're becoming more inclusive of more people now, not fewer, thanks to SECULAR values, not religious. Women, LGBTs and assorted other minorities are empowered now thanks to SECULAR government, and DESPITE religion.
I'll take secular values, any time.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)The call goes out to the churches for volunteers to bring hot food, warm clothes, and provide personal human comfort to those affected while government agencies are getting their act together.
In the last 100 years, you might want to review the work of SECULAR governments in places like the Soviet Union from the 1920s to the 1980s, South Africa in the 50s through the 90s, and China from the 1950s to today. Those are the values you're taking along with the others. You're stacking "all [the] ugly, violent history" of religion against just the last 100 years of SECULAR government. That doesn't seem balanced.
walkingman
(7,688 posts)If religion were left as a personal decision or experience then there would never be a problem but it is not and therefore becomes the basis for rules/laws that can oppress people.
Religious conversations always remind be of the Julius Caesar quote...
The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones.
walkingman
(7,688 posts)"With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion." - Steven Weinberg
So many of the people that I know use religion for a nefarious purpose or as a social network. Since it was brought into politics people have gradually rejected it more but once indoctrinated at a young age it is very, very hard to get over.
JanMichael
(24,899 posts)For jesus or at least the local pastor.
But kudos.
By the way I do some of those things with zero religion.
intrepidity
(7,351 posts)after failing to accept conventional treatment. Even though he had been out of Scientology for years, he had been in it much longer, and no doubt carried some of their teachings right into his grave. RIP, my friend.
mitch96
(13,941 posts)she had some terminal disease, realized the "church" was bullshit, waisted all this time and money and "poof"....
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lindysalsagal
(20,787 posts)Left 2 grandchildren way too soon.
48656c6c6f20
(7,638 posts)That seems like a death sentence right there
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,496 posts)When my ex and I left the church we posted our contacts and experiences in the church to a lady who ran a top rated christian website called site seek god in the 2000 's. She researched into the contacts and found out some of the connections names I had given her had ties with scientology.The church tried to get carl and I to fill out a mmpi test.
After she posted this information online ,after this was when a van with no license plate tried to make my ex and I wreck our car on a cement median and forced us to go into a closed construction site to avoid hitting the cement median thing. We almost had a head on accident because this van was trying to either slam into us or run us off the road.
After we got into the construction site I looked for a license plate on the van to get the number to call the cops,then as fast as they appeared they disappeared onto an exit ramp. This really happened to us.
Assemblies of god evangelical church
has connections to scientology. Don't trust either one of these organizations.Who knows which churches have ties to other churches.
Assemblies of god also relentlessly pushed republican politics on the congregation,tried to force church into schools among other things besides being connected to scientology. My ex and I thankfully didnt buy into the conservative bullshit nor has the gall to proselytize on people in public,my ex was smart to say no when denny asked him for access to our finances..
When I had my wedding rehearsal dinner denny nissley was pushing conservatism on my mom. My mom a lifelong democrat got irritated at denny,and replies god is not a republican,because god is bigger than our little human political parties and I almost spit my diet coke out my nose..
keithbvadu2
(37,024 posts)I_UndergroundPanther
(12,496 posts)Trust these churches often have no idea how deep and unsavory those connections might be or how deep they go.
Never fall for tithing if your christian you are not required to to tithe based on what the bible says about it. Why make a corrupt possibly criminal pastor rich?