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CNN reported that Biden fired the usher at the time but (Original Post) mobeau69 Dec 2022 OP
Some headline writer made it up OR was ordered Tetrachloride Dec 2022 #1
Grrr. Boomerproud Dec 2022 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Dec 2022 #10
Is there a reason you are bringing up an SharonClark Dec 2022 #3
Yes. It wasn't reported accurately. It was either accurate or not. The time is irrelevant. mobeau69 Dec 2022 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Dec 2022 #11
almost two years old, Updated 5:48 PM EST, Thu January 21, 2021 Celerity Dec 2022 #14
Correct. Thanks to the transcripts, after nearly two years, the mobeau69 Dec 2022 #21
Biden requested Harleth leave, per Harleth's own words Celerity Dec 2022 #23
Are we the only ones who remember what actually happened? Generic Brad Dec 2022 #4
It wasn't revisionism, it was a bullshit story based on mobeau69 Dec 2022 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Dec 2022 #12
Oh, my. Ushergate, just like travelgate. nt Samrob Dec 2022 #6
"Timothy Harleth, Trumps' chief usher and former rooms manager of Trump International Hortensis Dec 2022 #8
In the Fifth Risk Michael Lewis describes the transition that Obama set up. mobeau69 Dec 2022 #13
Including the "procedure manual" for stopping pandemic disease? Hortensis Dec 2022 #18
I think if Biden was going to bring his own person rsdsharp Dec 2022 #16
Yes, obviously Biden did not "bring" his own person. As for the Hortensis Dec 2022 #17
Trump and Meadows wanted to fire him three weeks before rsdsharp Dec 2022 #19
:) Is that how it happened? What a nasty little schmuck tRump is. Hortensis Dec 2022 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Dec 2022 #9
At the time, I read that Trump fired him. nilram Dec 2022 #15
Well, the CNN article I posted said Biden fired him. mobeau69 Dec 2022 #20
Yeah, maybe it was an article I read here, linked to a different source. nilram Dec 2022 #22

Tetrachloride

(7,886 posts)
1. Some headline writer made it up OR was ordered
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 08:32 PM
Dec 2022

to put it in OR the writer is a
box of rocks.

And some in the media let the perp
get away.

Response to Tetrachloride (Reply #1)

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
3. Is there a reason you are bringing up an
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 09:06 PM
Dec 2022

article that is 11 months old and was reported accurately, at the time, by other news outlets?

mobeau69

(11,165 posts)
5. Yes. It wasn't reported accurately. It was either accurate or not. The time is irrelevant.
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 09:14 PM
Dec 2022

Piss poor journalism.

Response to SharonClark (Reply #3)

mobeau69

(11,165 posts)
21. Correct. Thanks to the transcripts, after nearly two years, the
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 11:16 PM
Dec 2022

CNN article is shown to be bullshit. Were her two sources Meadows and Miller? LOL!

Celerity

(43,655 posts)
23. Biden requested Harleth leave, per Harleth's own words
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 12:22 AM
Dec 2022
https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-political-scene/the-secret-life-of-the-white-house

https://archive.ph/BLtAN

Harleth wanted to make a good impression on Joe and Jill Biden, who could have extended his tenure. But, Harleth told me, shortly after eleven o’clock on January 20th, less than an hour before the official Presidential changeover, one of the last remaining Trump officials, in the Office of Administration, came to Harleth’s office and told him that the Bidens had requested his departure. The Biden White House hedged on the matter, telling CNN that Harleth was “let go before the Bidens arrived.” (The Trumps could not be reached for comment.) Harleth was shocked at the time, but a week later he told me, “Every family deserves to have the people they want there.”


Trump wanted to fire him earlier (petty fucker was pissed that Harleth was soldiering on and preparing to do the transition), but Melania stopped it.

Generic Brad

(14,276 posts)
4. Are we the only ones who remember what actually happened?
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 09:09 PM
Dec 2022

I distinctly recall being aware of that petty move by Trump the day it happened. Now our revisionist press is trying to blame it on Biden? They either have amnesia, an inability to read old news, or they are flat out dishonest.

mobeau69

(11,165 posts)
7. It wasn't revisionism, it was a bullshit story based on
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 09:22 PM
Dec 2022

piss poor journalism by Katie what’s her
name.

If she would’ve dug a little deeper she could’ve had a story on the vindictiveness and pettiness of the traitorous administration. But nooooo, she writes a lazy half assed story.

Response to Generic Brad (Reply #4)

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. "Timothy Harleth, Trumps' chief usher and former rooms manager of Trump International
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 09:28 PM
Dec 2022
Hotel in Washington, was busy moving furniture on Inauguration Day when he was told at 11:30 a.m. that his services were no longer needed, people familiar with the process said.

The incoming president’s counsel called the White House counsel on Wednesday, according to a person familiar with the process, and said the Bidens planned to bring in their own person. Mr. Harleth’s departure was first reported by CNN. - Axios


This was a very unusual move for an incoming president, which I assume was necessary and justified under the special circumstances of this endangered transition of power.

In 2017, shortly after tRump was elected, he unexpectedly and shockingly fired the first (black) woman chief usher. Ushers normally serve for decades, but tRump himself was a "special circumstance."

mobeau69

(11,165 posts)
13. In the Fifth Risk Michael Lewis describes the transition that Obama set up.
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 09:45 PM
Dec 2022

In short, Obama’s team worked long hours to prepare for a good transition. They made guides for each department and scheduled presentations for trump team members. On the first day of “school” they waited and waited but nobody showed up.

Perry, DOE, didn’t find out right away that DOE is responsible for our nuclear arsenal! Hell, they built nuclear weapons in Texas when he was governor and didn’t know it!

We’re lucky to be here!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. Including the "procedure manual" for stopping pandemic disease?
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 10:32 PM
Dec 2022

As you say, for sure.

But over 1.2 million of us aren't here any more, one out of roughly every 275 Americans.

rsdsharp

(9,223 posts)
16. I think if Biden was going to bring his own person
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 09:55 PM
Dec 2022

the position wouldn’t have remained vacant for eleven months.

At 11:30 AM 1/20/21 Joe Biden had no power to fire anyone employed by the executive branch.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
17. Yes, obviously Biden did not "bring" his own person. As for the
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 10:26 PM
Dec 2022

exact mechanism of removal of this tRump functionary? Advance notice meant that he was removed as of Biden's becoming president, not even allowed to serve out the day, or the hour!, to be there to open the door for the Bidens.

Just one little part of the HUGE national drama playing out. Some secret service personnel and others were also gone from the WH and likely other parts of the executive branch immediately upon transfer of power.

rsdsharp

(9,223 posts)
19. Trump and Meadows wanted to fire him three weeks before
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 10:35 PM
Dec 2022

when the Secret Service covering Biden told Meadows that the Usher had personally delivered White House blueprints and other materials useful for the transition in violation of orders not to. Melanie talked them out of it, and Trump took his revenge on the way out the door.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
24. :) Is that how it happened? What a nasty little schmuck tRump is.
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 09:52 AM
Dec 2022

Appropriate that the usher would be stabbed in the back by tRump, of course, for being tRump's guy.

Melania wouldn't care of course when she brought in one of their hotel managers to replace the fine person they fired , but that's a position of honor, and chief ushers are traditionally scrupulously apolitical as they serve a series of WH occupants.

Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

nilram

(2,894 posts)
15. At the time, I read that Trump fired him.
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 09:55 PM
Dec 2022

Probably on CNN, but I don’t recall. It was framed as a jerk move towards the Biden family so they wouldn’t have full staffing at the White House.

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