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Can anyone please reiterate what the legal basis is for (Original Post) Disaffected Dec 2022 OP
Perhaps because he was a public figure when he filled out the forms? secondwind Dec 2022 #1
What I've read previously here on DU... Mister Ed Dec 2022 #2
Isn't it... FeelingBlue Dec 2022 #3
No Zeitghost Dec 2022 #4
It's more just a custom that presidential candidates releases their own tax returns Claustrum Dec 2022 #9
It's a common practice iemanja Dec 2022 #14
The IRS is supposed to audit them every year, but there is nothing that they should release the MiniMe Dec 2022 #22
Congress has the absolute, non-discretionary power to request anyone's tax returns from the IRS gratuitous Dec 2022 #5
Congress has to power to request and examine alright but, Disaffected Dec 2022 #7
Public disclosure is allowed under compelling circumstances gratuitous Dec 2022 #13
OK, thanks! Disaffected Dec 2022 #19
Thinking public disclosure is a bad move & opens doors to a lot of GOP abuse of DEM officials Attilatheblond Dec 2022 #15
Most "DEM officials" already release their tax returns as is. W_HAMILTON Dec 2022 #18
I don't see any justification those remarks. Disaffected Dec 2022 #20
I do or else I wouldn't have made it. W_HAMILTON Dec 2022 #21
Just helping TFG Pantagruel Dec 2022 #6
I have wondered about this, too. wnylib Dec 2022 #8
The people have a right to know if their president is a crook. Walleye Dec 2022 #10
The best answer I can come up with is probably public interest toward TFG's taxes. Claustrum Dec 2022 #11
Voluntary public disclosure had been the norm since Richard M. Nixon's tax dodges came to light. Eugene Dec 2022 #12
Mittens released his 2011 return, in which he overpaid to ensure his effective tax rate was higher Kennah Dec 2022 #16
All presidents claudette Dec 2022 #17

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
1. Perhaps because he was a public figure when he filled out the forms?
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 01:32 PM
Dec 2022

It's hard to tell... he's been lying for decades.

Mister Ed

(5,945 posts)
2. What I've read previously here on DU...
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 01:36 PM
Dec 2022

...is that Trump struck a deal with the IRS in each of those tax years, and that under those circumstances one's tax return becomes public information.

Other DU'er s with legal expertise may be able to tell us whether my recollection is correct.

Claustrum

(4,846 posts)
9. It's more just a custom that presidential candidates releases their own tax returns
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 02:02 PM
Dec 2022

since Nixon. But there is no "requirement" for it.

MiniMe

(21,722 posts)
22. The IRS is supposed to audit them every year, but there is nothing that they should release the
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 04:46 PM
Dec 2022

return. I think the release started either with Nixon or Ford. Since then, every President has released their returns...until 2016

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
5. Congress has the absolute, non-discretionary power to request anyone's tax returns from the IRS
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 01:45 PM
Dec 2022

It's part of their oversight function. But for some reason, the request from Congress to the IRS Commissioner for the former guy's returns got tangled up with the former guy thinking his returns weren't subject to the law. It went all the way up to the Supreme Court to rule that the statute meant what its plain language said:

Section 6103(f)(1) of the Internal Revenue Code (IRC) reads:

Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary [of the Treasury] shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.


Disaffected

(4,572 posts)
7. Congress has to power to request and examine alright but,
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 01:50 PM
Dec 2022

that legislation does not facilitate public disclosure unless the taxpayer consents (and I doubt Trump did that)??

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
13. Public disclosure is allowed under compelling circumstances
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 02:10 PM
Dec 2022

The article I linked to in my post has a much fuller treatment of the tax code and the history that caused Congress to enact those laws. Ordinarily, public disclosure does require the consent of the taxpayer, but if the committee determines that there are compelling circumstances, the taxpayer's consent is not required:

As a bipartisan Senate Finance Committee report stated: “Although the principal purpose of section 6103 is to protect taxpayer-specific information, section 6103 also clearly contemplates the need for the public disclosure in compelling circumstances, and it establishes a formal and carefully considered process for a release: a submission by one of the tax committees to the House or Senate.”

Attilatheblond

(2,239 posts)
15. Thinking public disclosure is a bad move & opens doors to a lot of GOP abuse of DEM officials
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 02:27 PM
Dec 2022

Wondering if TFG might even have actual grounds for a lawsuit about this stunt.

Yes, CONGRESS/Committees are entitled to see anybody's tax filings. That's the law and Mnuchin & IRS Director broke that law by not turning over the returns. They should be charged and tried for that crime.

But disclosing someone's tax returns to the public? Holy cow, that's such a bad idea/precedent. Thinking it's gonna get very difficult for any public official to get a tax accountant now. Who would want to be in a position of being in the middle of the coming GOP vendetta 'investigations' if tax filings can be made public?

W_HAMILTON

(7,878 posts)
18. Most "DEM officials" already release their tax returns as is.
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 03:31 PM
Dec 2022

And why are you providing cover for Republicans? When has tradition or precedent ever stopped them from doing shitty things? You think they need an excuse to do shitty things?

W_HAMILTON

(7,878 posts)
21. I do or else I wouldn't have made it.
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 03:44 PM
Dec 2022

I get tired of people making excuses for shitty Republican behavior.

Democrats have treated Republicans with kid gloves for the most part and it hasn't stopped them, not once, from being the assholes we know them to be.

Spoiler alert: they will continue to be assholes, regardless of whether or not these tax returns were released.

 

Pantagruel

(2,580 posts)
6. Just helping TFG
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 01:47 PM
Dec 2022

to fulfill his promise to the American people to be the most transparent POTUS and to release them post audit.

wnylib

(21,724 posts)
8. I have wondered about this, too.
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 02:01 PM
Dec 2022

It's good to see the truth come out against all the lies, but I don't know what the public release is based on.

Walleye

(31,117 posts)
10. The people have a right to know if their president is a crook.
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 02:02 PM
Dec 2022

I think we established that like 50 years ago

Claustrum

(4,846 posts)
11. The best answer I can come up with is probably public interest toward TFG's taxes.
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 02:05 PM
Dec 2022

But that's not a legal basis.

Eugene

(61,974 posts)
12. Voluntary public disclosure had been the norm since Richard M. Nixon's tax dodges came to light.
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 02:06 PM
Dec 2022

There is a public interest in where a president's money comes from and where he owes money.

In the case of deception, disclosure is the best antidote.

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