Next time someone tells you that socialists want to not work tell them the definition of socialism

[Maraya1969]

This is in response to the thread about Home Despot.


Socialism

noun
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

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People still need to work in socialist systems They just combine their efforts. How do these idiots think things get done?????



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Capitalism is often thought of as an economic system in which private actors own and control property in accord with their interests, and demand and supply freely set prices in markets in a way that can serve the best interests of society. The essential feature of capitalism is the motive to make a profit.

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People work but are at the mercy of owners who very often are greedy and don't care about the workers.

[Joinfortmill]

1. Public schools don't do a good job with these concepts.

[GreenWave]

2. From each according to their abilities

To each according to their needs? work?

[Zambero]

3. In the context of individuals' ability and skill to perform work

The output being manufactured goods, services, agricultural production, construction, education, creativity, etc.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

4. These are false "definitions."

Borderline gaslighting.

[Hortensis]

5. Yes, I'm afraid Adam Smith couldn't agree with that definition

of capitalism. Actually, the term capitalism wasn't invented until much later, apparently in English translations of Karl Marx's "Das Kapital," but they apparently didn't convey the very negative connotations he gave it. Those followed, as we see.

Adam Smith referred to it as "commercial society" because he saw economic activities as merely ONE manifestation of the human condition. He felt that a nation's economic stage helps helps define its social and political stages, but that the moral character of a people is the measure of their humanity. He was no starry-eyed dreamer about that -- unlike the OP's very inadequate "definition," he knew "commercial society" required regulation to work properly for people at its various levels.

Now, who'd imagine that? Someone go tell Bernie Sanders; I'm not sure he realizes capitalism can be regulated to benefit all.

"Smith asks why individuals should be moral. He offers models for how people should treat themselves and others. He argues that scientific method can lead to moral discovery, and he presents a blueprint for a just society that concerns itself with its least well-off members, not just those with economic success."

[Just A Box Of Rain]

6. Not to mention that the claim that any "regulations" placed on a market economy are

examples of "socialism" is a flat out right-wing talking point and one that is purely mendacious.

Socialism is the collective (read: State) ownership of the means of production and distribution, which has the concomitant requirement of eliminating private ownership of commercial enterprises, and in extreme cases the elimination of private property.

Socialism is NOT having "regulations" in a market economy.

Every liberal social democracy on earth has an advanced capitalist economy. Not one has a "socialist" economy.

Beware of the populist bullshit.

[Hortensis]

7. If socialists can't sell socialism for what it is, what are they doing?

+1000 for stating basic truths, of course.

Believers in socialism should try the whole truth about it sometime, including the sacrifices of personal freedoms that alone make it unacceptable to whole populations. Definitely a very "niche market."

As for these deceptive bait-and-switch claims, if only people could check reviews on Amazon from those who "bought" the bait and got the real thing.

[Bettie]

8. I'd also point out that in the current capitalist

system, there is virtually no competition. Thus, market forces are largely manipulated by very wealthy interests and none of it serves the best interest of anyone but the very wealthy, in any sense.