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Joe Cool

(756 posts)
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 08:52 AM Feb 2023

Donald Trump, who rolled back rail safety regulations and slashed environmental protections

https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-rolled-back-rail-020631337.html

Donald Trump visited East Palestine, Ohio, on Wednesday, following a disastrous train derailment.

The 2024 Republican candidate donated pallets of Trump-branded water to residents.

Trump's visit raised questions about his administration's rollback of rail safety regulations.
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Donald Trump, who rolled back rail safety regulations and slashed environmental protections (Original Post) Joe Cool Feb 2023 OP
This was as awful as the roll of paper towels leftyladyfrommo Feb 2023 #1
It was not so stop saying that jmowreader Feb 2023 #7
And the stream of easily debunked lies he told about FEMA and President Biden! Marcus IM Feb 2023 #2
Trump Water? You mean those $10 bottles of agua? JohnnyRingo Feb 2023 #3
There simply is little hope of getting these people to understand the role of states vs Fed gov't vs Samrob Feb 2023 #4
Trump doesn't have to exonerate himself. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 2023 #5
Can you point out what rules she broke? edisdead Feb 2023 #8
She hasn't done anything illegal, as far as I know. She's been very conscious of the rules. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 2023 #9
So what has she said that introduces those issues? edisdead Feb 2023 #10
The code of ethics prohibits lawyers from acting with impropriety or the APPEARANCE of impropriety. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 2023 #11
Is she a lawyer? edisdead Feb 2023 #12
25 months and counting republianmushroom Feb 2023 #6

leftyladyfrommo

(18,874 posts)
1. This was as awful as the roll of paper towels
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 09:17 AM
Feb 2023

That bottled water was over 10 years old. He was just getting rid of old stock.

jmowreader

(50,608 posts)
7. It was not so stop saying that
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 07:37 PM
Feb 2023

If you are dumb enough to stay at a Trump hotel, you can buy Trump Spring Water there. They make it all the time, and Trump Spring Water is what he donated. Trump Ice, the brand he was trying to sell to the general public, was not donated.

Now, here’s what I don’t get: does he think he deserves a medal for donating a quarter-trailer full of water to East Palestine? He gave sixteen skids of water to the relief effort. When I worked Hurricane Andrew relief we were getting FULL trailers of water - 52 skids per trailer. Sixteen skids is nothing after a disaster.

Marcus IM

(2,297 posts)
2. And the stream of easily debunked lies he told about FEMA and President Biden!
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 09:21 AM
Feb 2023

The Orange Menace just flat-out lied about FEMA and President Biden at his campaign rally in Palestine.
I mean, it was full-on, flat-out, bold-face lying.
And all the state jerk offs standing around him smiling at the torrent of lies pouring from him. Dis-gusting.


JohnnyRingo

(18,702 posts)
3. Trump Water? You mean those $10 bottles of agua?
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 11:13 AM
Feb 2023

At least that's what the IRS will hear they were worth.

Plus delivery costs of course

Samrob

(4,298 posts)
4. There simply is little hope of getting these people to understand the role of states vs Fed gov't vs
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 11:23 AM
Feb 2023

Congress. Everyone hates the Federal gov't until it is needed when the states fail and their elected officials are more beholden to the lobbyists who control what is regulated and what is not. MONEY and personal greed with a lot of corruption is the at the seat of most environmental issues today. People want to make big bucks investing in the very corporations that are endangering their lives to make big profits. PEOPLE, THERE IS NO FREE RIDE. It's about the choices we ARE LED to make. Lull yourselves to sleep by the lies you are being told from the people you LIKE and refuse to learn about the facts from the people you DON'T LIKE and pay the consequences.

People like battered women must make a choice. Stay with the abuser or get out of the relationship.

5. Trump doesn't have to exonerate himself.
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 01:35 PM
Feb 2023

If she keeps blabbering, the foreman of the special grand jury is going to do it for him.

The cynical part of me wonders if her cheerful "I volunteered to lead" and "Everyone was so nice" is meant to poison the jury pool. It's not her fault entirely; what a stupid state Georgia is to not prevent its grand jurors from talking about the case before the conviction -- if ever.

How much is she going to be paid for her book?

edisdead

(1,967 posts)
8. Can you point out what rules she broke?
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 07:42 PM
Feb 2023

Near as I can tell she hasn’t jeopardized anything.

She hasn’t named anyone or given up info on specific conversations that they had. So I am wondering what she has done wrong.

9. She hasn't done anything illegal, as far as I know. She's been very conscious of the rules.
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 03:23 AM
Feb 2023

I've noticed she's quite careful in choosing her words. I hope she continues to do that.

As far as doing something wrong goes, I guess it depends on your perspective. If you're a prosecutor you want to have control over everything that applies to your case, and she's a wild card. For a defense attorney, you're looking for anything that can introduce reasonable doubt into just one juror's mind, or anything that can be used as a basis for an appeal. By this measure she's doing nothing wrong by her frequent and elaborate interviews. We can assume his attorneys are already studying her interviews to find anything to support either of the goals. We already know TFG will appeal any decision against him. "Delay-delay-delay" is his go-to strategy. Hopefully her actions aren't making that easier to achieve.

As a person I admire her commitment to public service, and her awareness of her role in this historical event. I'm just concerned that Trump is going to wiggle out of all the legal jeopardy he's in.

edisdead

(1,967 posts)
10. So what has she said that introduces those issues?
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 10:19 AM
Feb 2023

I don’t know it jist seems like people are so wound up (for good reason) that we are expecting this person to live life like we would have them lice. That isn’t fair to her.

11. The code of ethics prohibits lawyers from acting with impropriety or the APPEARANCE of impropriety.
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 07:37 PM
Feb 2023

CNN legal analyst Elie Honig, a former federal and state prosecutor, discussed her actions on Anderson Cooper's show.

COOPER: First of all why this person is talking on TV, I do not understand. Because, she’s clearly enjoying herself, but I mean, is this responsible? She was the foreperson of this grand jury!

HONIG: This is a horrible idea And I guarantee you that prosecutors are wincing, watching her go on this–

COOPER: I was wincing just watching her eagerness to like, hint at stuff.

HONIG: It’s painful in that respect. That’s a very serious prospect here. We’re talking about – indicting any person, you’re talking about potentially taking away that person’s liberty – we’re talking about potentially former president for the first time in this nation of history. She does not seem to be taking that very seriously.

COOPER: There’s no reason for her to be out talking.

HONIG: No. It’s a prosecutor’s nightmare. Mark my words, Donald Trump’s team is going to make a motion if there’s an indictment to dismiss that indictment based on grand jury impropriety. She’s not supposed to be talking about anything, really. But she’s really not supposed to be talking about the deliberations. She’s talking about what specific witnesses they saw, what the grand jury thought of them. She says some of them we found credible, some we found funny. I don’t know why that’s relevant, but she’s been saying we found this guy funny or interesting. I think she’s potentially crossing a line here. It’s gonna be a real problem for prosecutors.


On the other side we have this from a Trump attorney: This is our defense team's dream

With our democracy on the line -- and if Trump is not held responsible for his attempted self-coup, January 6 will have been practice for 2024 -- I think the actions of everyone involved, including investigators, prosecutors, judges and jurors should be held to the highest standards. Even the appearance of impropriety cannot be permitted; Trump will slither through the tightest of cracks.

She seems like a very nice person, but naive. Saying we shouldn't expect any surprises is a surprise in and of itself. I think she has been treated incredibly fairly, considering what's on the line. I think it's fair to evaluate her statements and demeanor, and to examine her possible motives.

If she writes a book before TFG is indicted, all bets are off.

Thank you for your posts. They have helped me clarify my thinking about the matter.

edisdead

(1,967 posts)
12. Is she a lawyer?
Sun Feb 26, 2023, 01:31 AM
Feb 2023

I didn’t know she was a lawyer.


Also other legal minds have said she has done nothing wrong and given nothing to the prosecutors. I was listening to one just the other day on one if the stations claiming that at most they coukd argue for a change if venue but that was likely to happen anyway. I think people are mostly nervously speculating that something bad is going to happen because of HER when in reality if something bad happens it likely has nothing to do with her but as a system failure in itself. SHE certainly shouldn’t be held responsible for that given multiple outlets including the judge have said she has done nothing wrong. If we are going to start taking away 1A rights from people for serving on juries…. We have some very large fish to fry.

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