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How times have changed!
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GenThePerservering
(1,945 posts)and power happened.
People keep saying with the GOP "The cruelty is the point".
That's too touchy-feely for this.
The POWER is the point - the cruelty is an unimportant side effect.
Skittles
(153,485 posts)they need the power to inflict the cruelty, it is a GOAL
GopherGal
(2,012 posts)A way of establishing membership of "in" group.
I didn't exactly thrive in the junior-high social environment, but as I remember it, once of the key principles was that the mean kids were for some reason crowned the alphas, but sometimes the meanest were the bandwagon-jumping betas who reinforced the mean words/acts of the alphas perhaps partly in gratitude for not having the alphas' wrath turned upon them.
Well, that was not so much fun that i want to relive it even in order to analyze it... (although if I did so, LBJ's quote about convincing "the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man" would inform my interpretation.)
I guess maybe to the status-insecure, the measure of your status was/is whom you are allowed to be cruel to.
GenThePerservering
(1,945 posts)Listen - we are talking about a party with no ethics. Cruelty does not exist in their lexicon, because cruelty requires some kind of moral compass to identify it, some kind of idea of what is not cruel.
Power as the ultimate goal means ultimate control, control without conscience - who cares about cruelty? It's just going to come as a matter of course along with death and destruction. What do the powerful care?
H2O Man
(73,785 posts)In this context, I see "power" and "cruelty" as the yellow and blue that combine to make green. But in this case, they mix to make the republican party.
Matthew28
(1,798 posts)and they dream of taking society back to the 18th century. Part of doing so is to make everything pure and rob the people of our freedoms.
anciano
(1,058 posts)It's all about controlling others, which is what organized religion has always been about.
liberal N proud
(60,362 posts)They tell their supporters that they are protecting them, while they are robbing them blind.
They have been doing it for so long, the republican base is too numb to realize what is happening
GoodRaisin
(8,945 posts)of their dumb voters who believe anything they say without any evidence of it being true. Nothing is bigger government than inserting restrictive laws into your personal life choices the way Republican government does.
roamer65
(36,749 posts)OAITW r.2.0
(24,936 posts)Local government? Nope
Family values? Nope
Power for power's sake? That is what it's all about.
Solly Mack
(90,840 posts)Dismantling the administrative state - deregulations, trying to kill off the Department of Education and other regulatory agencies (for example) have always been part and parcel to that lie.
To do so, there has to be an actual intrusive (controlling/authoritarian) central government that controls all aspects of life.
Look at the local level examples - Florida, Texas, other republican majority states.
Sure, they call it freedom but look at the laws they are instituting. All about controlling people - how they think, what they choose, etc..
Look at the energy fails in Texas.
Look at the insurance fails in Florida.
Look at education in both.
Fuck, look at everything in both states. Look at other republican majority states, and what they are passing/trying to pass.
It's not about freedom. It's not about saving/protecting children.
When Grover Norquist talked about shrinking government to drown it in a bathtub, he wasn't talking about small government producing greater freedom - though that was and is the lie.
He was talking about getting rid of the administrative state - with all of its regulations and oversights.
To do so places control of everything under the legislature, which can be gerrymandered and voter suppressed into creating a legislative body that only favors one party/one rule, with the same for the executive. And you have to control the courts to gainsay all the challenges to the point that sooner or later there are no more challenges because people are too afraid or what passes for law eventually bans all dissent/challenges.
And that means control. Control down to the minutiae of people's lives. That means concentrated power into the hands of the very few.
That means authoritarianism. And there's nothing free about that. There's nothing small about that.
It's complete and total intrusion.
GoCubsGo
(32,120 posts)The rest of us are there to serve them, so we are to be regulated as much as possible.
ancianita
(36,274 posts)government has treated those same rule of men as not above the law. That's why rule of men fight so hard against "government" in the rule of law justice, democratic sense.
How the right wing defines government has always been the same -- money buys power and loyalty, might makes right, punch down, and it's the rich man's club and you ain't in it.
Times haven't changed.
Thunderbeast
(3,434 posts)Perhaps the oligarchs and oligarchs wannabees in the Republican Party spend a bit of time strategizing about how to leverage political actions....
I see the strength of their party not in the "Big thinkers", but in the rechid number of low-intelligence cretins driving their pickups adorned with Trump and Confederate battle flags and fake testicles hanging from the trailer hitch. We have failed a whole generation by allowing these pawns to enable the white-shoed aristocrats and modem-day plantation owners to leverage the Congress, the courts, and the state legislatures.
canetoad
(17,242 posts)About deconstructing the administrative state, you can't do it in five minutes. It takes time, planning and administration.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)They have always wanted rich, straight and right-wing christian white men on top, and everyone else to be slaves to them. Anyone who "forgot their place" would be punished, up to and including "reeducation" (slave/concentration) camps. Those who dared to get uppity with their masters? Summary execution.
They may have couched it in dog whistles in the past, but it was easy to follow all of their traitorous blathering to that logical conclusion.