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riversedge

(75,361 posts)
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 03:54 PM Dec 2023

BREAKING: DC Circuit Court of Appeals UPHOLDS MOST of Judge Chutkan's limited gag order against Trump. The only differen

I am convinced that only jail will keep his mouth quiet.




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BREAKING: DC Circuit Court of Appeals UPHOLDS MOST of Judge Chutkan’s limited gag order against Trump. The only difference I can see is that Trump is allowed to speak about Jack Smith. He can’t attack his family, foreseeable witnesses, counsel and their family or court staff.

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BREAKING: DC Circuit Court of Appeals UPHOLDS MOST of Judge Chutkan's limited gag order against Trump. The only differen (Original Post) riversedge Dec 2023 OP
Holding the crazy NAZI responsible. Kid Berwyn Dec 2023 #1
Keep in mind: Judge Chutkan was confired by Senate 95-0....... riversedge Dec 2023 #2
A 69-page opinion?! Day-um gratuitous Dec 2023 #3
"speak about SMITH" - uh, "speak" meaning personal (non-issue) attacks/character assassination? UTUSN Dec 2023 #4
do really think the guy who prosecutes war criminals at The Hague agingdem Dec 2023 #11
At the level of outlandish defamation? UTUSN Dec 2023 #18
Chutkan: "But Mr. Trump is also an indicted criminal defendant, and he must stand trial in a courtroom under the same riversedge Dec 2023 #5
"(T)here is a strong public interest in what he has to say." Rob H. Dec 2023 #6
What difference will it make? The Mango Menace has ignored laws and courts all his life. nt albacore Dec 2023 #7
Trump should have to use Jack Smith's job title. "Special Counsel" investigating Trump bucolic_frolic Dec 2023 #8
I would love to see Judge Chutkan on the Supreme Court avebury Dec 2023 #9
Me, too. And Jack Smith as the next Attorney General. ancianita Dec 2023 #21
We need a graph GreenWave Dec 2023 #10
You can skip Xitter and go right to the order, here: Ocelot II Dec 2023 #12
No, jail wouldnt do it either. Only a stopped pulse will shut his mouth oldsoftie Dec 2023 #13
In jail, with no phone, his only audience..... lastlib Dec 2023 #14
Maybe, but he wont go to a real jail regardless of how many convictions he gets. oldsoftie Dec 2023 #25
Well, it would only require a team of three SS agents on rotation for... Justice matters. Dec 2023 #27
Cruel & unusual punishment. For the AGENTS. oldsoftie Dec 2023 #28
Follow the gag order limits or what? Alpeduez21 Dec 2023 #15
Throw his ass in jail already. dalton99a Dec 2023 #16
Will this get appealed to SC? bluestarone Dec 2023 #17
Jack Smith reading that the gag order is upheld, except drumpf can attack Smith himself...... Takket Dec 2023 #19
FINALLY. The Appeals Court moved on this like death warmed over. ancianita Dec 2023 #20
It has been just over a month. Ms. Toad Dec 2023 #22
I hear you. Understood. Doesn't mean that it's acceptable in this unprecedented event of a criminal running for office ancianita Dec 2023 #23
In the history of the United States only one candidate has ever yelled to a crowd "Hit him! I'll pay for it!" sop Dec 2023 #24
This makes me smile LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #26

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
3. A 69-page opinion?! Day-um
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 04:00 PM
Dec 2023

I hope there are appropriate sanctions in the order to encourage the defendant to respect and obey the court's authority.

UTUSN

(74,075 posts)
4. "speak about SMITH" - uh, "speak" meaning personal (non-issue) attacks/character assassination?
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 04:00 PM
Dec 2023

agingdem

(8,558 posts)
11. do really think the guy who prosecutes war criminals at The Hague
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 04:37 PM
Dec 2023

gives a damn about Trump's playground bully insults??..me neither...



riversedge

(75,361 posts)
5. Chutkan: "But Mr. Trump is also an indicted criminal defendant, and he must stand trial in a courtroom under the same
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 04:02 PM
Dec 2023



"But Mr. Trump is also an indicted criminal defendant, and he must stand trial in a courtroom under the same procedures that govern all criminal defendants. That is what the rule of law means.” Judge Chutkan



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Rob H.

(5,648 posts)
6. "(T)here is a strong public interest in what he has to say."
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 04:26 PM
Dec 2023

Honestly, I wish he'd keep his big flappin' face anus shut but it seems as if the more he talks, the deeper the hole he digs for himself so it's hard not to be at least a little torn.

bucolic_frolic

(50,197 posts)
8. Trump should have to use Jack Smith's job title. "Special Counsel" investigating Trump
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 04:28 PM
Dec 2023

Trump flair for personalizing everyone is part of his terror campaign.

avebury

(11,130 posts)
9. I would love to see Judge Chutkan on the Supreme Court
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 04:32 PM
Dec 2023

one day. She could run rings around the righties on the court.

GreenWave

(11,110 posts)
10. We need a graph
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 04:33 PM
Dec 2023

Great news for Dems vs. GQP act like insane idiots. Do they overlap and do media run with the stupid? Today was a good jobs report so expect lunacy.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
13. No, jail wouldnt do it either. Only a stopped pulse will shut his mouth
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 04:44 PM
Dec 2023

And if they give him house arrest, which I think is the most likely outcome of a guilty verdict, he'll STILL keep yelling on social media

lastlib

(25,872 posts)
14. In jail, with no phone, his only audience.....
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 05:00 PM
Dec 2023

...will be the steel bars and the other poor inmates who have to listen to his blather--which might be cruel & unusual punishment for them.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
25. Maybe, but he wont go to a real jail regardless of how many convictions he gets.
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 07:50 PM
Dec 2023

I'm hoping beyond hope that I have to eat crow on that prediction.
But with him getting secret service protection, I just dont see him going to an actual jail. And there's no procedure that I know of to take it away from him.

Justice matters.

(8,348 posts)
27. Well, it would only require a team of three SS agents on rotation for...
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 12:57 PM
Dec 2023

8 hours (3 x 8 hours = 24 hours) to sit on a chair outside his cell.

It would save money for the taxpayers too.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
28. Cruel & unusual punishment. For the AGENTS.
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 03:21 PM
Dec 2023

The govt just isnt going to put SS agents inside a prison.
Maybe wall off part of Mar A Lardo & keep him there; then agents could be in reasonable conditions. But I doubt they'll even go THAT far.
Maybe his 100,000th cheeseburger will get him on the 9th hole of Doral.

Takket

(22,959 posts)
19. Jack Smith reading that the gag order is upheld, except drumpf can attack Smith himself......
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 05:18 PM
Dec 2023

Ms. Toad

(36,820 posts)
22. It has been just over a month.
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 06:23 PM
Dec 2023

That's practically the speed of light for appeals.

Typically, each side wins gave two weeks to brief the matter, then the will be a hearing, then the court will take a month or so to rule.

ancianita

(40,426 posts)
23. I hear you. Understood. Doesn't mean that it's acceptable in this unprecedented event of a criminal running for office
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 06:33 PM
Dec 2023

on an election timetable.

IMHO, the relativity of their this court's usual process timetable still denies due process to the larger public -- the lawyers can respond sooner than two weeks, and the court can write its decision in less than one month.

This snails pace works to the advantage of the defendant over the People of the United States -- Whose collective interest in a speedy trial process outweighs his interest to delay that process -- one man -- with the goal of wiping it all from history with a possible electoral win.

They know it. We know it. This appeals court process should be on a clock, and Congress should pass a law to shorten this so-called due process to protect the public's justice interest.

sop

(14,044 posts)
24. In the history of the United States only one candidate has ever yelled to a crowd "Hit him! I'll pay for it!"
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 07:06 PM
Dec 2023

and been elected president. Trump relishes running his mouth and inciting others to violence. The only thing that'll stop him is being thrown in jail by the judge.

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