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In It to Win It

(10,533 posts)
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 12:00 AM Dec 2023

BREAKING: Texas Supreme Court pauses lower court's order allowing pregnant woman to have an abortion

Texas Supreme Court pauses lower court's order allowing pregnant woman to have an abortion


AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — The Texas Supreme Court on Friday night put on hold a judge's ruling that approved an abortion for a pregnant woman whose fetus has a fatal diagnosis, throwing into limbo an unprecedented challenge to one of the most restrictive bans in the U.S.

The order by the all-Republican court came more than 30 hours after Kate Cox, a 31-year-old mother of two from the Dallas area, received a temporary restraining order from a lower court judge that prevents Texas from enforcing the state's ban in her case.

In a one-page order, the court said it was temporarily staying Thursday's ruling “without regard to the merits." The case is still pending.

“While we still hope that the Court ultimately rejects the state’s request and does so quickly, in this case we fear that justice delayed will be justice denied,” said Molly Duane, an attorney at the Center for Reproductive Rights, which is representing Cox.

Cox's attorneys have said they will not share her abortion plans, citing concerns for her safety. In a filing with the Texas Supreme Court on Friday, her attorneys indicated she was still pregnant.

Cox was 20 weeks pregnant this week when she filed what is believed to be the first lawsuit of its kind since the landmark U.S. Supreme Court ruling last year that overturned Roe v. Wade. The order issued Thursday only applied to Cox and no other pregnant Texas women.
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BREAKING: Texas Supreme Court pauses lower court's order allowing pregnant woman to have an abortion (Original Post) In It to Win It Dec 2023 OP
hippa act be dammed according to them. AllaN01Bear Dec 2023 #1
My mum had to deal ExWhoDoesntCare Dec 2023 #23
mom never talked about her witnessing back alley abortions for her first jobs. wasnt pretty acoording to her. AllaN01Bear Dec 2023 #32
it is HIPAA Skittles Dec 2023 #73
HIPAA doesn't apply to the court Renew Deal Dec 2023 #75
Terrible. With monstrous consequences for Texas girls and women Arazi Dec 2023 #2
if she can lapfog_1 Dec 2023 #3
Agree! Hope22 Dec 2023 #13
I agree, but who wants to go hundreds of miles from home and family for a hospital stay Walleye Dec 2023 #53
Too long and she will be looking at a C-section to remove a dead/ non viable fetus. Hope22 Dec 2023 #63
Absolutely Walleye Dec 2023 #64
New York MattBaggins Dec 2023 #25
she's doing a great public service Skittles Dec 2023 #74
Stall until it's too late leftieNanner Dec 2023 #4
WTF! Chi67 Dec 2023 #5
My granddaughter is in Austin and she needs to come home to Boston but she likes her job there. CTyankee Dec 2023 #17
My daughter is due in January. She's in Austin. LeftInTX Dec 2023 #18
CTyankee........... Upthevibe Dec 2023 #41
I don't know why my granddaughter is so relaxed about living in Texas. Besides the abortion issue making you CTyankee Dec 2023 #43
You can legally carry EVERYWHERE TexasDem69 Dec 2023 #56
The fact that she cannot find an OB-Gyn to give her care PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2023 #76
She has the means to fly home to Boston if need be. And yes, this is called "privilege." CTyankee Dec 2023 #79
Since you don't care what 'liberal' Texans say about Texas. cayugafalls Dec 2023 #38
Truth hurts Chi67 Dec 2023 #59
There is more to the equation than a simple slanted article can uncover. cayugafalls Dec 2023 #80
Chi67............. Upthevibe Dec 2023 #42
Can you get these homicidal maniacs voted out of office? OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2023 #6
You haven't been to Texas, have you? ExWhoDoesntCare Dec 2023 #24
Not in Texas it has the lowest voter *ACCESS* in the union, Abbott is a dictator uponit7771 Dec 2023 #27
Arrgh LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #7
May all involved receive everything they deserve. niyad Dec 2023 #8
The Texas Supreme Whorehouse dalton99a Dec 2023 #9
Wow, just wow. Unbelievable. walkingman Dec 2023 #10
Unbelievable? Chi67 Dec 2023 #11
IMO, as a Texan if the people of Texas continue to support the GOP and their walkingman Dec 2023 #20
Texas is a shithole state. Sogo Dec 2023 #12
What state do you live in? TexasDem69 Dec 2023 #57
Don't get me wrong. Sogo Dec 2023 #67
They're going to Terry Schaivo that poor woman. TheBlackAdder Dec 2023 #14
She is 20 weeks pregnant with a trisomy 18 fetus. She is at risk for gestational diabetes. (Probably not related) LeftInTX Dec 2023 #19
Yep. Texas fundies will torture her with the courts ruling that 'life' is more important, regardless of pain or risk. TheBlackAdder Dec 2023 #22
Yes, I agree she should leave asap. This is intolerable. CTyankee Dec 2023 #47
just plain evil Eugene Dec 2023 #15
Why do they hate women so much? (n/t) Retrograde Dec 2023 #16
Religion ExWhoDoesntCare Dec 2023 #26
Pro-death Texas Republicans DFW Dec 2023 #21
She's a prisoner of the state Bucky Dec 2023 #28
This is what hildegaard28 Dec 2023 #29
F*ck that and the Texas Supreme Court. sinkingfeeling Dec 2023 #30
Can someone explain ejbr Dec 2023 #31
I wish I knew the answer to that. ShazzieB Dec 2023 #40
At 20 weeks, I would not have wasted my time. LeftInTX Dec 2023 #49
She's doing it so no one else has to. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2023 #62
Coservatives are evil, just evil Johonny Dec 2023 #33
a.k.a the Gilead Court peppertree Dec 2023 #34
Onward Christian Ghouls sarchasm Dec 2023 #35
Disgusting chupacabra1 Dec 2023 #36
"So, boys, how can we uphold the infallible rule of men and protect our reputation here?" bucolic_frolic Dec 2023 #37
paging Margaret Atwood.... bahboo Dec 2023 #39
TX and FL; previews of "GOP" rule. I use quotes because they are domestic terrorists at this point. My Evolve Dammit Dec 2023 #44
Absolutely sickening. TSExile Dec 2023 #45
She is not considered at risk for dying. LeftInTX Dec 2023 #50
Maybe... TSExile Dec 2023 #51
It could happen in any pregnancy. LeftInTX Dec 2023 #52
So true, I read somewhere that giving birth is 20 times more dangerous than an abortion Walleye Dec 2023 #54
Paxton and all of those Texas SC justices need to be locked up in a mental institution. LiberalFighter Dec 2023 #46
God damn them all to burn forever in hell. May they feel the pain they are inflicting forever. Scrivener7 Dec 2023 #48
There is no bottom for Texas' subjugation and abuse of women dlk Dec 2023 #55
Are women allowed to vote in Texas? pwb Dec 2023 #58
Because, hey, who better to govern a woman's uterus than an old white guy who is a faux-Christian zealot? PatrickforB Dec 2023 #60
She needs to get a burner phone, find someone in NM to perform the abortion, and drive or fly there. diane in sf Dec 2023 #61
further proof that the GOP hates women pfitz59 Dec 2023 #65
here is your death pannels people. AllaN01Bear Dec 2023 #66
This makes me wonder if she could go out-of-state to get the care she needs. calimary Dec 2023 #68
I bet she is being watched now Tree Lady Dec 2023 #69
Agreed. calimary Dec 2023 #78
This just makes the BLUE WAVE rise higher Obvious85 Dec 2023 #70
pure evil-- fuck the GOP and their war on women. May they all be voted out ASAP LymphocyteLover Dec 2023 #71
Just declare Texas females as live breeding stock and property of the State and be done with it. Freethinker65 Dec 2023 #72
Texas is just a big version of "Duck Dynasty" walkingman Dec 2023 #77

AllaN01Bear

(25,015 posts)
1. hippa act be dammed according to them.
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 12:04 AM
Dec 2023

you idiots ever see a back alley abortion? not pretty. my late mom discribed them to me when she worked for alameda county ca welfare .

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
23. My mum had to deal
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 05:03 AM
Dec 2023

With the results of illegal abortion at the hospital.

Whatever stories your mum had from a remove? I promise you that mine saw far worse than that, up close.

It was so bad, she hardly ever talks about it. And this was a woman who thought nothing of talking about staph infections at the dinner table.

AllaN01Bear

(25,015 posts)
32. mom never talked about her witnessing back alley abortions for her first jobs. wasnt pretty acoording to her.
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 11:06 AM
Dec 2023

Arazi

(7,757 posts)
2. Terrible. With monstrous consequences for Texas girls and women
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 12:06 AM
Dec 2023

I had hoped she took off last night and had the procedure already…

Just a despicable intrusion into a private medical decision

lapfog_1

(30,856 posts)
3. if she can
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 12:06 AM
Dec 2023

she needs to leave Texas immediately and never return. In fact, she may need to to a country that does not have a extradition treaty with the US.

Hope22

(3,942 posts)
13. Agree!
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 01:14 AM
Dec 2023

If she wants to try again for another child she needs to move quickly.! My heart goes out to her. An unbelievable nightmare that is believable because it is happening in front of our very eyes!

Walleye

(39,995 posts)
53. I agree, but who wants to go hundreds of miles from home and family for a hospital stay
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 03:32 PM
Dec 2023

Hope22

(3,942 posts)
63. Too long and she will be looking at a C-section to remove a dead/ non viable fetus.
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 05:39 PM
Dec 2023

Recently women have lost their uterus because doctors no longer do the doctoring!

Skittles

(163,973 posts)
74. she's doing a great public service
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 11:59 PM
Dec 2023

showcasing how cruel these assholes are and absolutely PROVING it has NOTHING to do with being PRO-LIFE

very, very courageous gal

Chi67

(1,192 posts)
5. WTF!
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 12:07 AM
Dec 2023

How is this even allowed in the USA? This woman needs an abortion! There is no question about that! The GQP must want to lose every national election for the next 20 years, because if this shit doesn't change, that is what will happen!

I do not recognize my country anymore. The Fed needs to get involved at some point.

I don't care what any liberal Texan says about Texas being a decent state. It's not. It is a fascist state. And until Texans get serious about making changes there, it will be known as the One Star State, not the Lone Star state.

Figure it out Texas! Get off your asses and vote! Ohio did it, you can too!

CTyankee

(66,108 posts)
17. My granddaughter is in Austin and she needs to come home to Boston but she likes her job there.
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 01:41 AM
Dec 2023

She seems to think her health is not at risk. She is 29 and cannot find an OB-Gyn who can give her care. She says they have fled Texas because they cannot practice medicine in the state. She is well off and can afford to travel for her health care but I worry about her.

This is a perversion of the state. I am a 3rd generation Texan, left many years ago and never went to back (to live...only to visit relatives) . My roots are deep in the state but it is a living hell for women and girls there.

LeftInTX

(32,761 posts)
18. My daughter is due in January. She's in Austin.
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 01:44 AM
Dec 2023

I saw my Gyn today. (However, she did change practices, so I don't know if something happened after Roe was overturned) It is a smaller practice.

Upthevibe

(9,500 posts)
41. CTyankee...........
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 01:51 PM
Dec 2023

I'm at least a 4th generation Texas. I left in 1988 and moved to California.

I've visited several times (in fact, I'm in Dallas now working with/for a good friend who has a small business). It's HEARTBREAKING to see what's happening here.

I hope this woman has gone to another state for her necessary procedure. New Mexico is about eight hours away by driving and about 1 1/2 hours by plane. She lives in North Texas (where Dallas is). New Mexico is the closest state that allows abortions.

CTyankee

(66,108 posts)
43. I don't know why my granddaughter is so relaxed about living in Texas. Besides the abortion issue making you
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 02:37 PM
Dec 2023

constantly worried, you have the gun issue as well. You can legally carry in Texas, right? I would not feel safe anywhere, knowing someone could be legally carrying a loaded weapon and could start shooting, killing or wounding who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I've gotten used to feeling safe in CT. Even the Sandy Hook shooting did not make me feel unsafe in crowds, because I know it is so unlikely given our own lawmakers and city officials. I feel very safe in New Haven (even tho there are troubled areas, I don't go there).

 

TexasDem69

(2,317 posts)
56. You can legally carry EVERYWHERE
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 04:03 PM
Dec 2023

Texas is no different than any other state in that regard. Connecticut requires a license for concealed carry, which in turn requires taking a course, then you get your license.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(27,823 posts)
76. The fact that she cannot find an OB-Gyn to give her care
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 12:22 AM
Dec 2023

ought to be a strong hint she also needs to leave Texas.

CTyankee

(66,108 posts)
79. She has the means to fly home to Boston if need be. And yes, this is called "privilege."
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 11:01 AM
Dec 2023

And, she has made friends and colleagues and is on a career path. but she is aware that she has such a privilege and her family is strongly Democratic (her dad is a political consultant for a liberal political consulting firm in Boston. So yes. she has privilege and other women in the state don't have her advantages.

I don't get it either. I think I'd be miserable but she isn't.

cayugafalls

(5,805 posts)
38. Since you don't care what 'liberal' Texans say about Texas.
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 12:47 PM
Dec 2023

Perhaps you should rethink your implication that we 'liberal' Texans don't vote.

As for this Texan, If you think telling me or any Texan to get off our ass and vote is helping...you need to rethink that statement.

Just saying...

cayugafalls

(5,805 posts)
80. There is more to the equation than a simple slanted article can uncover.
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 01:14 PM
Dec 2023

But then again, like others, you rely on a media story written in a rag owned by an oil and petroleum company...

Media in this country is corrupt.

Upthevibe

(9,500 posts)
42. Chi67.............
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 02:23 PM
Dec 2023

The dynamics of Texas politics is too complicated for me to go into right now (Anyone else?, Bueller? Bueller?).

Your ridiculously simplistic statement: "Figure it out Texas! Get off your asses and vote! Ohio did it, you can too!" may not even be doable. Texans may not have the mechanisms available to them.

Ohio has a Republican Governor, a Republican Senator (J.D. Vance), and a Replican controlled legislature.

Here's an article about what Ohio voters approved (regarding abortion access/rights) that I think you're referring to:

https://apnews.com/article/ohio-abortion-amendment-election-2023-fe3e06747b616507d8ca21ea26485270

OAITW r.2.0

(30,174 posts)
6. Can you get these homicidal maniacs voted out of office?
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 12:07 AM
Dec 2023

Or are they legislatively enthroned now?

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
24. You haven't been to Texas, have you?
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 05:07 AM
Dec 2023

They won't be voted out anytime soon, so, yes, they are enthroned in all three branches...for now.

The state has some decent people in it, but the majority are still proudly stupid traitor trash.

Chi67

(1,192 posts)
11. Unbelievable?
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 12:44 AM
Dec 2023

This is one of the most disgusting abuses of human rights I have seen in a very very long time. That entire Court should be removed and charged with crimes against humanity. But here we are, in the USA, and nothing gets done. Hell, hardly anyone has posted in this thread.

Everybody is just too worried about Hamas and Israel. I will not post in any threads about that stupid mess anymore. Because it IS stupid. That conflict will NEVER END because no one side can own anything they have done to the other. I am 56 years old and that BS has been going since I was born. Let them kill each other, I no longer care. We have offered so many solutions, but neither side wants to hear them.

Shit like this in our own country needs more attention. We can solve this issue. So let's get down to doing it and then maybe we can help solve other countries' issues.

walkingman

(9,190 posts)
20. IMO, as a Texan if the people of Texas continue to support the GOP and their
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 01:59 AM
Dec 2023

lackeys that treat women and their healthcare as something that they will dictate then we have truly become a State of disgusting people. In my mind all the women of Texas should rise up and make it clear that this will not be tolerated - but it won't happen because we have a large segment of people that are part of a religious cult that has told them it is evil to decide what is right for you as a human being - that is God's choice through government to make.

As far as the Israel/Palestinian thing - it is a depressing subject. There is wrong on both sides. Exclude the leaders of both Israel and Palestine and the people are the victims of this mess - as it always is in war. One thing that kind of amazes me is we are paying little attention to the victims in Ukraine, Yemen, Sudan, or any of the millions that are forced to live in refuge camps in starvation circumstances - we pick and choose who we have empathy for.

It seems the entire world has gone mad sometimes....

 

TexasDem69

(2,317 posts)
57. What state do you live in?
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 04:06 PM
Dec 2023

Trying to figure out if it is a shithole state. Texas is in fact awesome, despite its less-than-awesome leadership. We’re working to change that, as we’ve done in some other states.

Sogo

(6,226 posts)
67. Don't get me wrong.
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 06:46 PM
Dec 2023

If my state were doing to women what Texas is doing to theirs, I'd be calling it a shithole state, too.

I'm just thoroughly and utterly appalled what is happening to women in this country.

LeftInTX

(32,761 posts)
19. She is 20 weeks pregnant with a trisomy 18 fetus. She is at risk for gestational diabetes. (Probably not related)
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 01:50 AM
Dec 2023

These are the other health risks:

Furthermore, doctors have told Cox that if the baby’s heartbeat were to stop, inducing labor would carry a risk of a uterine rupture because of her two prior cesareans sections, and that another C-section at full term would would endanger her ability to carry another child.


She's had two previous C-sections and third could cause fertility issues, induced labor is apparently risky. I say: Stop fighting and go to another state. Her life is not considered to be at risk and she will not win an appeal in Texas.

Trisomy 18 usually does not cause maternal morbidity.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/22172-edwards-syndrome

TheBlackAdder

(29,492 posts)
22. Yep. Texas fundies will torture her with the courts ruling that 'life' is more important, regardless of pain or risk.
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 04:15 AM
Dec 2023

DFW

(57,915 posts)
21. Pro-death Texas Republicans
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 02:26 AM
Dec 2023

I wouldn’t blame any woman of child-bearing age for moving out of state.

hildegaard28

(412 posts)
29. This is what
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 08:13 AM
Dec 2023

Republicans call pro life. Allowing a mother of two existing children to die for one fetus that has no chance at survival after birth.

ejbr

(5,877 posts)
31. Can someone explain
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 11:00 AM
Dec 2023

why she won't just get a Greyhound out of this clown show? I understand this suit is not just for her but other Texan women but bounds of reason.

ShazzieB

(20,522 posts)
40. I wish I knew the answer to that.
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 01:46 PM
Dec 2023

I've been wondering the same thing since I first heard about this, but nothing I've read has addressed that.

peppertree

(22,850 posts)
34. a.k.a the Gilead Court
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 11:13 AM
Dec 2023

Except when they knock up some young thing - or their princess does something she shouldn't.

Then it's "Abort, Abort!"

chupacabra1

(4 posts)
36. Disgusting
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 11:41 AM
Dec 2023

Now the maggots are playing doctor? We are in deep trouble. SCOTUS is bought off. I pray that this lady survives. I find it hard to believe that people are so hateful. But then again, they are voting for hate.

bucolic_frolic

(50,197 posts)
37. "So, boys, how can we uphold the infallible rule of men and protect our reputation here?"
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 12:17 PM
Dec 2023

"There are elections coming, you know."

"We're safe. We're in Texas."

Evolve Dammit

(20,567 posts)
44. TX and FL; previews of "GOP" rule. I use quotes because they are domestic terrorists at this point. My
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 02:39 PM
Dec 2023

heart goes out to Dems and especially women, POC, LBGTQ in these states in particular, but obviously many others are experiencing the same attacks on basic health care and cilvility.

TSExile

(3,363 posts)
45. Absolutely sickening.
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 02:40 PM
Dec 2023

If these woman dies, her blood is on the hands of Paxton, Abbott and the Gilead, ahem, TX Supreme Court. They are heartless...full stop!!

LeftInTX

(32,761 posts)
50. She is not considered at risk for dying.
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 03:24 PM
Dec 2023

Trisomy 18 does not cause maternal death.

She is at risk for fertility issues if she has another C-section
Doctors will not induce labor if they fear her uterus will rupture, they will perform another C-section.

___

Women do carry Trisomy 18 babies to term.
Prior to 2022: They may want to carry them or in many cases, they just didn't have access to abortion. (low income, poor prenatal care, didn't think about it, no insurance, medicaid doesn't cover it, etc)

TSExile

(3,363 posts)
51. Maybe...
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 03:27 PM
Dec 2023

...but isn't there always the risk of septic shock in a case like this? Something could always go wrong.

LeftInTX

(32,761 posts)
52. It could happen in any pregnancy.
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 03:30 PM
Dec 2023

It usually happens after fetal death.
An unhealthy fetus does not cause maternal sepsis, however a dead fetus can.

She's running out of time to get an abortion in other states.

She needs to leave Texas. I don't think any state performs abortions after 24 weeks.

Walleye

(39,995 posts)
54. So true, I read somewhere that giving birth is 20 times more dangerous than an abortion
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 03:35 PM
Dec 2023

That’s why their stupid laws don’t make any sense. Watching old cowboy movies and I’m hearing, “a man’s got a right to defend his life“. This is in the 50s a story set in Texas. So I had to add to myself but a woman never had that right

Scrivener7

(55,601 posts)
48. God damn them all to burn forever in hell. May they feel the pain they are inflicting forever.
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 02:45 PM
Dec 2023

God damn those vile monsters.

dlk

(12,617 posts)
55. There is no bottom for Texas' subjugation and abuse of women
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 03:57 PM
Dec 2023

The lives of Texas women mean nothing to the Republicans and their supporters. Livestock receives better treatment.

pwb

(12,257 posts)
58. Are women allowed to vote in Texas?
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 04:09 PM
Dec 2023

It seems they would be against this treatment. For Sister Code.

PatrickforB

(15,211 posts)
60. Because, hey, who better to govern a woman's uterus than an old white guy who is a faux-Christian zealot?
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 04:41 PM
Dec 2023

Gosh, aren't we in good hands with these Republicans...

Sigh.

In 2024, if women, Millennials, GenZs, LGBTQ people, educated people...pretty much everyone except the MAGATs, don't literally crawl over broken glass to vote D no matter what, then this country will have the government the MAGATs and other ignorant, apathetic Americans deserve.

The problem is, the rest of us DO NOT deserve that government.

Vote.

Blue.

Straight Blue.

diane in sf

(4,150 posts)
61. She needs to get a burner phone, find someone in NM to perform the abortion, and drive or fly there.
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 05:05 PM
Dec 2023

and maybe just move there for a while.

pfitz59

(11,465 posts)
65. further proof that the GOP hates women
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 05:46 PM
Dec 2023

"Let her die." they said, for the sake of the child? Oh, and let's cut Medicaid while we're at it.

calimary

(86,157 posts)
68. This makes me wonder if she could go out-of-state to get the care she needs.
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 06:55 PM
Dec 2023

Would that be possible?

It’s a long drive but she could probably get some help in California.

Would she have the means to fly? Hey, saying it’s for a family trip to Disneyland or some such thing.

Tree Lady

(12,383 posts)
69. I bet she is being watched now
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 08:41 PM
Dec 2023

Don't the laws go against anyone helping her?

I think if possible she and family should move to a blue state.

calimary

(86,157 posts)
78. Agreed.
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 04:15 AM
Dec 2023

There’s New Mexico maybe. VERY low-profile. You never hear about them. A blue state that both Hillary Clinton AND Joe Biden carried. I would think a woman’s privacy would be more respected and protected there. Don’t know much about Arizona along those lines. But keep heading west and you’re in California, where Gavin Newsom is governor (and possible future presidential material) and women’s rights are recognized and honored.

Obvious85

(262 posts)
70. This just makes the BLUE WAVE rise higher
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 08:47 PM
Dec 2023

Why are judges determining health-care for women? I'd like to see their medical license

Freethinker65

(11,194 posts)
72. Just declare Texas females as live breeding stock and property of the State and be done with it.
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 09:29 PM
Dec 2023

Current female residents get 9 months to move TF out, unrestricted. Then they get mandated State fertility exams and branded.

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