I have bad news for the progressives currently beguiled by Liz Cheney

[Just_Vote_Dem]

Liberals beware: This political transformation is not, in fact, very transformative

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/liz-cheney-book-trump-receipts-democrats-beware-rcna128246

I have bad news for the progressives currently beguiled by Liz Cheney’s deft skewering of her erstwhile Republican colleagues: She is not going to love you back.

Cheney’s new book, “Oath and Honor: A Memoir and a Warning,” has become an immediate bestseller based on its promise to bring even more receipts to the Trump indictment party. (And she does have receipts.) Her message to anyone who has ever knitted a “pussy hat” hits right in the feels: Donald Trump is a “grave threat” to American democracy, a man “willing to torch the constitution,” and thus “[h]e has to be defeated, and people can’t be bystanders.”

Ironically, her last book had an equally dire warning — about Democrats post-Barack Obama. “Our next president must be committed to restoring America’s power and strength,” she and her father, former Vice President Dick Cheney, wrote in “Exceptional: Why the World Needs a Powerful America.” “Our security and the survival of freedom depend on it.” It’s almost as if they were calling for our next president to make America great again.

Others have illustrated the straight line that connects the rabid anti-Obama xenophobia and racism of the tea party movement — a movement Cheney embraced — and the mob that forced its way into the Capitol on Jan. 6. That ideological genealogy doesn’t make Cheney responsible for Jan. 6. Nor does it mean we shouldn’t take her current warnings less seriously. But it should temper the applause she gets in 2023 for making the same observations that plenty of people made in 2015. Democrats should be wary of investing this much political capital in a politician who is all but telling them about her intention to eventually betray them.

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[llmart]

1. At least Adam Kinzinger adamantly stated he'll vote for Biden.

I may have missed it but has Cheney done the same? Has anyone asked her who she'll vote for if Trump is the nominee? Will she say she won't vote? If so, she can STFU.

[Emile]

3. I haven't heard her say! She is very partisan,

so I doubt she would ever cross her political party.

[llmart]

6. Well, I believe she crossed her political party very openly.

At least a vote can be kept confidential. What she did was worse in the eyes of the GOP.

I don't know if she'll openly state she'll vote for Biden, but my guess is she will never tell if she does. She will play both sides of the fence hoping that in the future she'll be accepted once again in her party after they clean up their act. Good luck with that happening, Ms. Cheney. You may have to wait a long time.

[flashman13]

83. I'm going to be blunt. The Repug party is never going to be "cleaned up". Liz

Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, Mitt and other exiled Republicans will be the founders of a new conservative party and the current R party will collapse like the Whigs and Know Nothings. The country needs a rational conservative party to function. I am old enough to remember when words like liberal and conservative were not dirty words.

[TheKentuckian]

89. Tens of "new" conservatives will not make the Republicans

go extinct, instead what you are talking about is stillborn.

Also, what in the world do we need "conservatives" for?

What have they been right about? Hell, what have they been for that isn't toxic?

Republicans have been utter trash for a century and no I don't care about foggy nostalgia for a brief period of exception that ended almost seventy years ago.

They have been between criminal and dead wrong since Harding otherwise. Usually the full spectrum too.

What is the point of the pretense of there being any utility of the Republicans or even conservatives?

Those we tend to label "moderates" are as conservative as a liberal democracy can bare without veering off the cliff to autocracy and economic deprivation and even that is being optimistic. A hundred Manchin's would be catastrophic in many ways.

[llmart]

100. Well, in my opinion, that scenario would actually be like "cleaning up" the GOP.

It won't happen overnight of course, and maybe they'll still call it the Republican party, but the extremists will be unwelcome by the likes of Mitt, et al. I, too, am old enough to remember the party of Ike.

[TwilightZone]

9. She's been publicly crossing her party since the Jan 6th committee started.

She's been quite overt about it, including calling out many members by name, for their involvement and attempted whitewashing re: Jan 6th and their blind support of Trump.

[agingdem]

81. the bottomline...Liz Cheney happens to hate Trump more than

she hates Democrats...and if Trump had been successful in his attempt to overthrow the results of the election, Cheney would still be in office...

[Sal_NV]

106. She's already crossed her political party very openly and vocally.

I would find it unlikely that she would ever vote for D. Trump if he's the nominee..

[radical noodle]

39. She has said she will do whatever it takes

to keep trump from being re-elected.

[Emile]

62. That probably means she will leave the

President vote blank.

[dchill]

69. ... which is a vote for Trump.

[agingdem]

94. if the alternative to Trump,

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a deranged malicious narcissistic vengeful despotic psychopath, is a moral empathetic man, determined to improve lives by making government work for the people, particularly those who feel left behind..a president that embraces and defends global partners, listens to experts and acts on their advise, and Liz Cheney abstains from voting for Biden because she's Dick Cheney's daughter...then she's a coward..

[radical noodle]

105. She's smarter than that

She knows that would just help trump. She is dedicated to keeping him out of office. No matter what her motives, she's serious about it.

[Woodwizard]

2. It is possibe to respect someone.

While disagreeing with almost all of their beliefs.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

7. I don't respect someone who voted with Trump 92.9 % of the time

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/09/07/fact-check-false-claim-liz-cheney-voted-donald-trump-100-time/7973016001/

And only after the insurrection, thought, "Gee, maybe this is wrong!"

After a lifetime of her and her family voting for conservative ideas.

And as another person said, Has she said she will vote for Biden?

[Woodwizard]

21. OK.....

[LittleGirl]

22. Ding ding ding nt

[2naSalit]

25. To her credit...

She is saying that she will "do what it takes" to get Joe Biden elected. As well as saying the same to defeat -45.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/13214070

[spooky3]

88. Which is far more important than one more blue vote in Wyoming nt

[calimary]

37. Let z Cheney reminds me of the "broken clock" thing: right twice a day.

But right ONLY twice a day.

[Upthevibe]

45. Woodwizard.....

I agree.

I disagree with quite possible ALL of her beliefs. And, in this case, I have a lot of respect for her. For me, I can have two feelings at the same time.

[Scrivener7]

4. I don't think anyone's "beguiled" by her. I think people simply agree with her that another presidency

for the defendant would end America and plunge us all into misery.

That fact is obvious enough that even those who seldom agree on anything can agree on it.

I love the fact that she is being so vocal about the dangers we face. It can only help us avoid them. And I respect the cost she has been willing to pay personally for being vocal.

[Rhiannon12866]

16. +100. Well said, I agree completely.

It's cost her a lot to speak out as she has and I also respect her work on the J6 Committee.

[Upthevibe]

47. Scrivener7.............

I agree with you 100%....

[RandomNumbers]

73. And she is an ALLY if she gets other Republicans to follow her in that act.

"Politics makes strange bedfellows", indeed.

You hear about so many "on the fence" about Biden. We need every vote we can get. I know conservatives wringing their hands over the prospect of Biden v. Trump again. If she makes some of them a little more ready to vote for Biden, I'll take it. (But if I ever see HER name on a ballot, she only gets my vote IF she is the best option - and that would be a scary thought, except so unlikely.)

[elleng]

87. Thank you.

[TwilightZone]

5. No one on the left thinks that she's had a political transformation.

It's possible to disagree with someone's politics entirely, yet respect them for taking on Donald Trump's corruption and autocratic plans. This is one of those times.

[Martin Eden]

11. Exactly

Rachel spelled it all out very clearly in the preface to her interview with Cheney, who is diametrically opposite on pretty much every major issue we care about except protecting our Constutional republic against the threat of a very real TRANSFORMATION into a fascist autocracy.

She is certainly aligned with her father, who belongs in prison along with GW Bush for war crimes in Iraq.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

14. Agree 100% n/t

[yardwork]

43. I know Democrats who are intrigued by Liz Cheney.

A lot of Americans - including committed Democrats, who vote - aren't that informed about what's going on. They hear Liz Cheney and say, "That sounds reasonable. I agree with her about Trump. And she's a Republican!"

I think lots of Americans still hope that there are Republicans and Democrats who can "work together" and "set aside partisanship."

In this current political climate I think that's a dangerous fantasy. I'm glad Cheney is speaking out against Trump but I would never trust her.

[Sympthsical]

72. The Steve Schmidt effect

Where a Republican opposes Trump out of self-interest, and some people see that as a miraculous conversion and start plying them with praise and money for their projects.

I kept telling people Schmidt was grifting and was only mad because Trump caused him to lose his considerable influence in the party. This was the man who gave us Alito and Palin. And people kept praising and defending him to the sky. The whole, "I was molested" story after he ran cover for a pedophile who was also in on the grift was amazing. And it worked.

Well, that Dean Phillips stuff is some shit, eh? Gee, who could have predicted you could pay for the man's efforts to mess with our party?

Cheney wants neoconservatives like her and her father back in charge of the party. Trump messed up their Glorious Destiny.

She's totally fine as a temporary ally on this particular project. But I'm not sending any money in her direction.

[yardwork]

74. Agreed on all points.

The Bush-Cheney crime family is in competition with the Trump crime family.

[Upthevibe]

48. TwilightZone.........

I agree 100%.

Very well stated.

Thank you for your post....

[Quixote1818]

108. Agree. nt

[BlueKota]

8. I would never vote for her

for anything, I just want her to continue helping to trash Trump. For that only she gets points.

[madaboutharry]

10. Who knew Ana Marie Cox was so unctuous, condescending, and self-righteous.

I think democrats reading Liz Cheney's book have no illusion about her ridiculously right-wing world view. Ana Marie Cox apparently is one of those people who will reject sound information based on the messenger who delivers it.
Cox's commentary is an example of how partisanship and tribalism damages this country.
Liz Cheney is by all measure an imperfect messenger. Notwithstanding, her insider view of what happened in the days after the 2020 election forward is important for every American to know and understand.

In multiple interviews that I have seen, when asked if she will vote for Joe Biden, her answer has been "I will do whatever I have to to make sure that Trump never gets near The White House again." I take that as a yes, even though she certainly disagrees with about 95% of everything Joe Biden believes in.

Say what you want about Liz Cheney and her right-wing world view, and there is certainly plenty to say, she has shown that she puts country and our democratic institutions over party. She has done so at great personal sacrifice.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

13. I disagree.

I think Cheney is well aware that if Trump wins again that her and her family will have no standing in the resulting power structure, since Trump is so vindictive and unforgetting.

And I'm amazed that other Democrats are so quick to embrace people on the other side who spent their lives making the lives of the poor, disenfranchised, and minorities a living hell.

I give kudos to Kinzinger for saying he would vote for Biden. When Cheney says that I'll cut her some slack.

[madaboutharry]

15. I suggest you read her book.

If Liz Cheney was concerned about her standing in the power structure, she would have chosen to remain silent. She would not have endorsed and campaigned for democrats in house races running against election deniers. As I said, Liz Cheney is an imperfect messenger. If someone who I don't agree with is running through the hallways yelling that the building is on fire while telling everyone who had the matches, I am going to listen.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

18. Thanks for the suggestion, I will think about it. n/t

[JustAnotherGen]

38. I'm not embracing her

I'm listening to her book.

It was immediately apparent that the coup was afoot in the immediate aftermath of the election.

She acted on that knowledge. I didn't realize she was the trigger for the former Secretaries of Defense letter regarding the use of the military to conduct the coup.

This book was being prepared for press long before Mike Johnson was installed as Speaker.

That One is the single biggest threat to our Democracy.

[madaboutharry]

44. There was apparently some last minute editing to acknowledge that he became speaker.

Liz Cheney doesn’t have a good word to say about him. Cheney had once considered him a friend. She now sees him as a liar and a duplicitous and craven fraud who betrayed democracy and who sold his soul for power. She writes about him with contempt.

[JustAnotherGen]

104. Hearing her read

Her book - and her truth telling about him -

She's straight up telling us he is an evil presence in our government.

[LeftInTX]

59. Trigger for the former Secretaries of Defense letter regarding the use of the military to conduct the coup??

I didn't realize she was the trigger for the former Secretaries of Defense letter regarding the use of the military to conduct the coup.

What? How? Obviously she was against challenging the election (supported a peaceful transition)
Was she being outspoken?

(Sorry didn't pay much attention to her prior to the coup)

Before the coup happened, I was focused on the senate because they had a majority. I was focused on McConnell, Cornyn, Cruz etc. I was focused on those who were going to reject the results. I was afraid there would be a challenge in Congress.

I could picture the magats getting violent, but did not anticipate they would breach Capitol security.

Did she see know it was coming?

[JustAnotherGen]

103. Yes - she saw it

Here's the story:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/03/politics/trump-election-defense-secretaries-public-letter/index.html

https://time.com/5926219/defense-secretaries-letter-trump/

She's also very clear about the actions of Jordan, Johnson, and McCarthy after the election.

[yorkster]

23. Ana Marie Cox always has given me the Maureen Dowd

vibe - hauteur to spare with a side of smarm.

[Paladin]

31. Excellent smear!

Comparing any journalist to Dowd is a real stab job. My compliments.

[yorkster]

36. Merci - pretty good at the bon mots yourself.

[Paladin]

53. Merci, back atcha. (nt)

[Upthevibe]

49. madaboutharry......

I agree with you 100%.

Thank you for your post....

[peggysue2]

63. Absolutely agree

I think we all know who and what Liz Cheney is and what her ring-wing sympathies have wrought.

But in this one thing she is right and clear: Donald Trump aims to destroy the country with the help of his enablers and MAGA supporters. They have a game plan and they're ready to execute it on Day 1.

Cheney's message is not for the vast majority of Dems. Her message is aimed at fellow Republicans who neither trust nor like Agent Orange but are still holding onto the traditional paradigm of left vs right, Democrats vs Republicans, liberals vs conservatives.

The next election isn't about that at all. In it's simplest terms it's fight for the continuation of democratic governance vs authoritarianism. Trump is The Man Who Would Be Dictator. He and his sycophants are telling us everyday. waving the Sedition Flag in broad daylight.

We don't have to like Liz Cheney. However, she did put her political career on the chopping block to stand up and push back on the Trump Administration's lawlessness. Unlike most of her colleagues, she told the truth and performed her duty to the American people.

For that and that alone, she deserves a measure of respect. If we, as a nation, get through this, we can all get back to howling at one another.

But for this moment? Strange times produce strange bedfellows.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

90. We may have no illusions about Liz Cheney, but there are gullible people out there.

[The Wizard]

12. The enemy

of my enemy is my friend. The Nazi movement must be crushed.

[Upthevibe]

50. The Wizard.........

I agree 100%....

[TheKentuckian]

92. No, logic nor physics excludes the possibility

that my enemy's enemy is also one of mine.

There can be triage without feigning any friendships.

Those are formed individually not just common adversaries.

[Bettie]

17. She's on the side of the US on

this one small area, in everything else, she's in agreement with the rest of her party.

She realizes that a dictatorship will mess with the flow of cash into her pocket.

[Shermanator]

19. We know that.

I don't think anyone is under the impression that Cheney is a progressive or somewhere in the middle. She's a hard right conservative but she does understand the threat Donald Trump poses to American democracy.

[oldsoftie]

20. I'll stand with anyone who stands against trump

Liz Cheney isnt a threat to our way of governing.

[Bucky]

24. Calm down. No one in DU is falling in love there

People are rightly grateful that she's standing up to a bully. I'll take any ally in an existential war. She's on our side in a fight for democracy. Even said she'll endorse the Democrat if Trump gets the Republican nomination.

Just like FDR didn't get on Stalin's case about the gulags in the 1940s, I think it's okay to put off our abortion and tax cut arguments with Cheney until after the election.

[paleotn]

29. Exactly. She's apparently not down with fascism. That's nice.

Beyond that? Please.

[marble falls]

26. She may be an ally for now. But she is no progressive, let alone a Democrat. This enemy of our enemy is also our enemy.

[Playingmantis]

40. This is why democrats lose

[marble falls]

58. Trusting hard right conservative Republicans?

[Playingmantis]

111. No Failing to accept someone who shares a similar concern for the danger of the Orange Liar

[marble falls]

112. So which Democrats have failed to listen to which Republicans?

[Playingmantis]

113. Explination

I think you misunderstood my post.. I am only saying that instead of attacking Liz Cheney because she is not a progressive, we should welcome her as an ally in the fight against Trump fascists...

[orangecrush]

27. I will take any and all help to take Trump down

And worry about the other stuff later.

Nice try, no cigar.

[paleotn]

28. Our interests coinciding does not equal beguiled.

And we don't love her either. Apparently someone doesn't understand the concept of the enemy of my enemy is my friend but only in that context. There's no love lost between the Democratic party and a Cheney. I'm sure Patrick Leahy thinks her father can go fuck himself.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jun/26/usa.dickcheney

What an incredibly shallow and stupid statement.

[Raven123]

30. A clear eyed view of Cheney. Her eloquence and insider info is notable

However, as the editorial noted, she fails to acknowledge her own role in creating Trump. Unfortunately, MSNBC has been nearly unwatchable for me since Cheney started her book tour. I realize many see value in her viewpoint. I hope she goes on the GOP presidential campaign trail and speaks to voters. They are the ones who need convincing.

[MOMFUDSKI]

32. She is angling for a run for prez in which

she might get some Dems’ votes. Could even be in ‘24 if the clown strokes out.

[MineralMan]

33. The enemy of my enemy, and so on.

Nobody is mistaking her for a progressive.

[nycbos]

34. If this post was written during WWII it would say...

... I know Hitler is bad but Churchill can't be trusted because he supports colonialism.

When you are fighting a fascist you ally yourself with whoever you can. Clement Atlee understood this. The Conservatives were the largest party during World War II, and most of them supported appeasement before the start of the war. Atlee offered to bring Labour into a wartime coalition on the condition that Neville Chamberlain step down. That meant his replacement would be Churchill by default because he was one of the only members of the Tory party who didn't support the Munich agreement.

We are facing the threat of Donald Trump as a dictator. I do not care what Liz Cheney said in the past. I do not care that I disagree with her on 95% of the issues. I am going to align myself with her to ensure the United States remains a democracy. If we defeat the threat of Trump-ism for good, and she goes back to being our opponent instead of our ally, that will be a sign that our democracy is healthy.


You need those people around. People you disagree with on every single issue, but who are still respectful of the democratic process.

[JustAnotherGen]

41. No truer words were ever posted at DU

If this post was written during WWII it would say...

... I know Hitler is bad but Churchill can't be trusted because he supports colonialism.


Slight change - if this article was written in the lead up to WW 2 it would say - I know Hitler is bad but Churchill can't be trusted because he supports colonialism.

The article in France would read: The billionaires in Europe won't allow them to invade France.

In Poland - The pacifists will ride to the front on their horses and lay down in front of the tanks.

In America: "We are on the verge of war, but it is not yet too late to stay out. It is not too late to show that no amount of money, or propaganda, or patronage can force a free and independent people into war against its will."

[Joinfortmill]

52. Bravo, my friend. Bravo.

[Hekate]

80. Well stated

[JHB]

35. To quote Charlie Pierce, "All hands on deck, but...

...not everybody's hands on the wheel."

[bluesbassman]

42. Cheney is not even remotely a "centrist" conservative.

Her political and worldview are well documented and pretty much at odds with Liberal and Progressive thought and action. Anyone who believes otherwise does so at their own peril as she will never change her Conservative beliefs.

I would never vote for her and I doubt many other Liberals and Progressives would either. Who she does have sway with are centrist conservatives who may not be as hard right as she, but still respect her and will consider her views on keeping Trump out of the White House. MAGAts are truly a lost cause, but there’s not enough of them alone to elect the orange POS. If Liz can help steer a significant portion of those centrists away from Trump, more power to her.

[radical noodle]

46. Liz Cheney is preaching to the choir

when it comes to DU. We don't need her to tell us what a danger trump is. Her value is in the independents and moderate Republicans who may be influenced by her. She tells the story surrounding J6 clearly and honestly.
She has never said, nor even implied, that she's somehow become more moderate or more in line with liberal and progressive policies.
Cheney has perhaps permanently ruined her political career to stand up for democracy and for this country. She took her oath of office seriously, and that's something we're seeing from very few Republicans today. I bought her book and will support her wholeheartedly in her efforts to defeat trump. Nonetheless, I have no illusions that she is on our side regarding policies.

[Joinfortmill]

51. Well, yes and no...

Liz Cheney is very Conservative, no doubt. But, she has proved herself to be an American patriot and staunch defender of the Constitution. That counts for a lot, especially in the times we are living in. Would I vote for her? It's extremely unlikely. Could I sleep at night if she was elected President (she will definitely being running sometime in the near future)? Yes.

[LeftInTX]

61. She won't run. She will never win a Republican and Democratic presidential primary.

She could get back in congress as an R, but only if she moves out of Wyoming to a blue state that likes to elect more moderate Republicans like New York or something.

I could see her picking up Will Hurd's old seat in Texas, but Cheney could do more damage than current R, which is Tony Gonzales. (He's been kinda quiet)

[Ocelot II]

54. I don't think anybody has any illusions about her underlying politics.

But, as I keep saying, while the enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend, sometimes she can be a useful temporary ally.

[SYFROYH]

55. I'm fine with saying I stand with Liz Cheney on destroying Trump and Trumpism...

,,,without embracing her arch conservatism.

Given the cowardice of most of the Repubican party, she is impressive.

[brush]

56. Good post. Hope most Dems know that she's still a republicnan...

with values we definitely don't agree on. As for her being determined to defeat trump, we agree and can work with her on that.

But again, she's still a republican, the party that right now is mostly against continuing to fund Ukraine's war against Putin's Russia, stupidly I might add as that's the cheapest way to deplete Putin's treasury and army and ability to threaten the rest of Europe without us firing a shot or commiting any troops. Also Putin seems to want to re-capture the former Soviet Union countries, which he can't do with a weaken army and treasury.

Such stupid lack of geo-political awareness of the US's role in world affairs from the likes of MTG, Gaetz, Boebert and other republicans who don't seem to realize that by deserting Ukraine, we once again show that we, a democracy, can't really honor our commitments if one or our parties decides not to continue what we've committed too.

It's what Putin and Xi, who play the long game in waiting for the US's commitments to weaken, say/think about democracies...because of party conflicts, they can't move as quickly as strong man governments which just need the word of the leader...and democracies,us, will eventually abandon their friends as we've done recently in Afghahnistan, Iraq, some African involvements, Vietnam and on and on.

We're teetering on doing it again to Ukraine. Makes me wonder how to slap some realpolitik awareness into the stupid party. And I bet other countries in the world are watching to see if we're going to do it again to Ukraine.

[NewHendoLib]

57. I have no regard for ANY republicans - so am under no illusion that she is self serving - and

pure republican in her ideology.

[Autumn]

60. Yeah.

Fuck Liz Cheney and her gushing idiots. If it were any other republican but Trump she would have been in on J6

[madaboutharry]

75. You could not be more wrong.

Liz Cheney most certainly would not have been in on J6 or in on any other form of insurrection or unconstitutional abuse of legislative power. She is loyal to The Constitution and the democratic institutions upon which this country was founded.

You are calling DUers gushing idiots? Really?

[Autumn]

79. She is loyal to her party. She supported Trump 93% of the time. Had it been her dad or a friend she would

have gone along. That's what Republicans do.

[TheKentuckian]

93. She was more than good with her daddy's coup

Save the sanctimonious hero narrative.

She just isn't ruinously stupid, Chump doesn't share power and cannot be trusted even by allies.

[madaboutharry]

98. You need to read the first post I made in this thread.

As well as the posts by many in this thread. I am not seeing any sanctimonious hero worship.

Democrats who are reading Liz Cheney's book acknowledge her deep conservative politics. They are not turning her into a hero, they are recognizing her patriotism and her defense of our democratic institutions.
She writes in her book how much she came to respect Nancy Pelosi. Her work on the J6 committee is an example of when we can put aside partisianship, even momentarily, sometimes something positive is accomplished.

[edhopper]

64. She is a patriot

who believes in her country and the Constitution. She is a rare Republican that is not a fascist or traitor.
That said, we would disagree with her on every policy point.
I think we embrace the fact that she is different from most KGOP or Trump loving idiots.
She is like Robert Dole, didn't want him as President, but would never discount his service to the country.

[CTyankee]

65. I agree with you. We need everybody to defeat Trump. We can part ways on other issues but getting rid of Trump is

critical. I'm sure she is not expecting anything more from us Democrats.

[Hotler]

66. she could be in this to protect NECON interest, I think they're a bit worried. A fascist dictator could seize or steal

everything the NECONs work so hard to steal from us during the war years. I don't think the NEOCONs ever went away, just laying low. A dictator would halt any plans to put Liz in the White House.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

67. She's a piece of shit that should be discarded with yesterday's trash as soon as we are done with trump.

She accuses Democrats of the most vile shit.

She voted for trump in 2020. Think about that. After 4 years of trump she thought trump would be just fine.

She is absolute garbage.

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[MorbidButterflyTat]

68. I find this:

"Liberals beware: This political transformation is not, in fact, very transformative."

to be repulsively condescending.

And this:

"Her (Cheney's) message to anyone who has ever knitted a “pussy hat” hits right in the feels:..."

is just pathetic. "Lookit me! I use snappy words and said 'pussy'! Ha, ha!"

So what is she implying, that only "liberal" women are supposedly falling for Liz Cheney's "transformation"?

My mood right now is and I just don't think I can take the world today.

[bigtree]

70. what is this nonsense about warning 'liberals'

...when it's the MSN pumping her.

Most liberals aren't attracted to fundamentalist republicans, no matter how anti-Trump they may be.

You have republican Jennifer Rubin telling Democrats how to 'support' Cheney, but we're really just using her like we would any anti-Trump republican willing to speak out against their own party.

Show me where she has an inch deep of support from 'liberals' that will mean anything in the next election.

She's pulling republicans away from Trump, not making a smidge of difference among Democratic support for Pres. Biden, so who cares if some liberal somewhere thinks she's the cheese right now?

[hlthe2b]

78. My point exactly... It is rather condescending but apparently these writers/pundits feel the need to

"counsel" us all.

[JHB]

97. You must have forgotten posts here like "Liz Cheney for Speaker?" or...

..."Is there room in the Democratic Party for Liz Cheney?"

There are depressing numbers of people who want to project better motives onto Cheney than anything she's actually shown.

Links for threads mentioned above:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217518563
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216742859

[bigtree]

99. so they were like, 'I'm liberal and Liz Cheney is my political spirit animal?'

...missed that.

[bullwinkle428]

71. Liz Cheney has ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY vowed to not vote for Trump...

a third time.

[hlthe2b]

76. Duhh... I really think it is a very tiny minority that does not already know the score w Liz...

[Hekate]

77. How about all of us who aren't "beguiled," just grateful for an ally in saving democracy in this undeclared civil war

Really

[idahoblue]

82. They started something they can't control.

Cheney and the tea party started a right wing movement of racism, bigotry, xenophobia and ultra Christianity that they lost control of. What they started gave us trump and our movement toward fascism. Her only quality is a shred of integrity and honesty. But not honest enough to admit that this is what she started.

[Dave Bowman]

84. The enemy of my enemy can be useful in...

Defeating said common enemy but ideally, in the end, the best outcome is them eating each other. So thanks, Liz, and gfy after you're done.

[EleanorR]

85. We need R voices speaking out against trump, the more conservative the better

Cheney fits the bill. We're using her to achieve an end not asking her to prom, and to suggest we've been bewitched in some way is pretty insulting.

[quakerboy]

86. She is not an ally

She is not doing anything that will help the country or the left or democrats.

Literally, she understands her assignment. And her assignment is to prepare the republican fallback position. To try and keep republican losses to a minimum, should trump and his forces fail to take the country.

Because while she may critique his style.. she wouldnt have done anything significant different on the policy side of things if shed been president instead of him.

[slightlv]

91. I see Cheney as an ally against *rump. Period.

I also have this sneaking hunch there's more here than meets the eye. Someone above mentioned the NeoCons. This has been my underlying thought all along. They don't want their 40+ year goal stolen by the Magas. Democrats will still be left out in the cold, freezing and starving. And 99% of what the *rumpists want will be achieved through NeoCon measures and policies.

From the start of all this, all testimony, reports, etc., were geared towards Republicans by Republicans. Only on the J6 Panel have we heard much from Democrats about all this. Of course, we're all in agreement that *rump must be kept from office again... ANY office. But loud and proud Democratic voices, ala Liz Cheney, have not been heard. Once in a while we're read a line from something Raskin or Whitehouse or someone else has said, but rarely do we read or hear full-throated testimonies from Democrats... on anything!

I guess I'm just getting tired of all attention being given to the R crowd. They've done nothing but much everything up. Biden, meanwhiles, tries to make our life better and gets no press but bad. Something is so wrong here.

[jaxexpat]

95. The idea that a "powerful" USA is essential for worldwide political stability has more than one aspect.

The USA as a powerful friend of justice and a champion for human rights is a proud and worthwhile ideal. A noble "shining city on a hill".
However, a powerful "friend" who maintains their power on the backs of the poor and limits spreading the security of wealth to the racially/socially acceptable is a friend to only the wealthy and a scourge to justice.

How naive are people like Liz Cheney must be to believe they are doing the will of the nation's founders while defending and promoting economic policies which enable brutal dictatorships around the globe. They refuse to connect the lines of observable fact which clearly show how totalitarianism is financed by profits gained by the already wealthy, ignoring evidence and denying the existence of gross injustice as the source of that wealth. Just as the simplest and coarsest items are the basic elements of any construction, slave labor is the basis of the global economy. It has been so since the onset of conquest and the dissemination of usury and compound interest onto an unsuspecting world.

People like that are never good for America nor is their ideal a reflection of respect for true power. Their sort of power is death to the progress of humanity. That's why they're call conservatives. Like undertakers, they conserve the already dead.

[GuppyGal]

96. I know that I can both disagree on some/most things with a person yet find things to agree on and we have that

case right here. And I like the way she gives the smack down.

[BlueIdaho]

101. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend.

Just because she is very vocal about the dangers of a second Trump administration doesn’t mean we share larger goals for our country…

[madamesilverspurs]

107. Glad for her help right now,

but trusting her would be easier without that DNA stuff.

[Pototan]

109. The enemy of my enemy is my friend

I welcome her assistance in trying to defeat Trump, even though I may disagree with her strategy.

[Scalded Nun]

110. Don't like her. Would never vote for her. So she stands up to Trump because of his treasonous

behavior. Glad she did. I am so sick of elected officials being touted as heroes for doing what they should be doing.The fact that over 90% of republicans are traitorous cowards does not make the less than 10% brave and wonderful patriots. Cheney's political and policy views are, and have always been, dangerous. They fly in the face of everything I, as a democrat, believe in.

My welcome mat extends to her vocal warnings regarding Trump and the dangers he poses to this country. That is as far as it goes.