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riversedge

(75,361 posts)
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 01:57 PM Dec 2023

Now in Tel Aviv: One of the biggest anti-government rallies since Oct 7. Slogans like "impeachment now"



Now in Tel Aviv:

One of the biggest anti-government rallies since October 7.

Slogans like “impeachment now” and “Bibi is a criminal” fill the air.

After 16 years in power, people here tell me they no longer think Netanyahu is the right leader for Israel. Especially now.

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Now in Tel Aviv: One of the biggest anti-government rallies since Oct 7. Slogans like "impeachment now" (Original Post) riversedge Dec 2023 OP
As long as Bibi and his government are in power, nothing is likely to improve. Ocelot II Dec 2023 #1
Why would someone in Bibi's coalition turn on him? brooklynite Dec 2023 #2
Heartily agree. n/t The Unmitigated Gall Dec 2023 #4
Is it possible to impeach a Prime Minister? Walleye Dec 2023 #3
Not the way we do it here. In most parliamentary governments they can call a no-confidence vote Ocelot II Dec 2023 #5
It is really time to do that. BIbi's strongman act did not keep them from being attacked Walleye Dec 2023 #6
That's because he chose to ignore the warnings from his own intelligence service. patphil Dec 2023 #8
Damn, does that sound familiar! Haggard Celine Dec 2023 #15
It really is classic rhyming history Walleye Dec 2023 #20
Not to mention that the VP made $39.5 Billion from his illegal, immoral wars of choice. OMGWTF Dec 2023 #23
Blew up in citizens' faces. Bibi is unharmed Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #17
Good points, that's what I was trying to say Walleye Dec 2023 #19
He survived the one in May. Shame. He didn't survive the one in 2021 but he came back. Like a cockroach. Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #31
The offramps are in the rear view mirror... RockRaven Dec 2023 #7
interesting... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #9
❤️ ✿❧🌿❧✿ ❤️ Lucinda Dec 2023 #10
Rec malaise Dec 2023 #11
OMG, look at all those antisemite Israelis! intheflow Dec 2023 #12
I've always criticised Netanyahu and Likud Mossfern Dec 2023 #14
My post never suggested anything else. intheflow Dec 2023 #34
Hiding behind Israelis calling for the ouster of a corrupt politician TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #21
Insisting anything anyone not Jewish says intheflow Dec 2023 #33
No, the poster was right about anti semites JI7 Dec 2023 #27
I have never defended Hamas. intheflow Dec 2023 #35
And that's the difference between Israel and Hamas. nycbos Dec 2023 #13
I also think they're scared to speak up. Haggard Celine Dec 2023 #18
The last election in Palestine was held on 25 January 2006. Interesting how Netanyahu has Autumn Dec 2023 #25
It's funny how these things work out, isn't it? Haggard Celine Dec 2023 #32
I blame Bibi for 10/7 like I blame Bush for 9/11 mountain grammy Dec 2023 #16
Uhhuh..and there would be no outcry and UN actions as a preemptive invasion of Gaza TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #22
GeeDumbya knew we were going to be attacked and did nothing. NOTHING!! OMGWTF Dec 2023 #24
You will never find any protests in Gaza or in Cairo, or in Riyadh. Many will be arrested question everything Dec 2023 #26
Iranians and Russians do it. nt GuppyGal Dec 2023 #28
And many are arrested, tortured and die question everything Dec 2023 #29
About time. marble falls Dec 2023 #30

Ocelot II

(124,613 posts)
1. As long as Bibi and his government are in power, nothing is likely to improve.
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 01:59 PM
Dec 2023

The sooner they vote him out the better.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
2. Why would someone in Bibi's coalition turn on him?
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 02:00 PM
Dec 2023

They have a Parliamentary Majority unless one of the Parties quits.

Walleye

(39,995 posts)
6. It is really time to do that. BIbi's strongman act did not keep them from being attacked
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 02:14 PM
Dec 2023

Citizens put up with this stuff because they think repression of their rights helps keep them safe. Well that just blew up in Bibi’s face I think

patphil

(7,775 posts)
8. That's because he chose to ignore the warnings from his own intelligence service.
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 02:19 PM
Dec 2023

And repeated warnings from Egypt.

Haggard Celine

(17,178 posts)
15. Damn, does that sound familiar!
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 04:00 PM
Dec 2023

It's similar to a President we had who ignored warnings about Osama bin Laden. A President and a Vice-President.

Bernardo de La Paz

(55,334 posts)
17. Blew up in citizens' faces. Bibi is unharmed
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 04:15 PM
Dec 2023

He is not physically harmed and he remains in power. He's not on any kind of front line, nor attending music festivals near the border nor living in a kibbutz.

The citizens' bargain to accept some repression on themselves and lots on Palestinians blew up in their face. The citizens did not get the security they were promised and expected.

Walleye

(39,995 posts)
19. Good points, that's what I was trying to say
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 04:19 PM
Dec 2023

Bibi has a nice place to stay and plenty to eat, and I’m sure his relatives are safe

Nanjeanne

(6,076 posts)
31. He survived the one in May. Shame. He didn't survive the one in 2021 but he came back. Like a cockroach.
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 06:19 PM
Dec 2023

RockRaven

(17,208 posts)
7. The offramps are in the rear view mirror...
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 02:14 PM
Dec 2023

There were ample opportunities not to have Bibi in charge at this moment. Israeli voters chose this instead of that. Now they get to reap what was sown -- not unlike the US having T"not my President"FG as POTUS during a novel viral pandemic causing hundreds of thousands of avoidable deaths. And others with minimal agency in that leadership decision suffer alongside.

Think. Again.

(22,330 posts)
9. interesting...
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 02:26 PM
Dec 2023

...that's about how long hamas has been in power and refusing to allow new elections.

intheflow

(29,545 posts)
12. OMG, look at all those antisemite Israelis!
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 03:08 PM
Dec 2023

Or, as one DUer sarcastically told me when I criticized Netanyahu, "October 7th was the JEWS FAULT!" Because, you know, broad brush strokes are always right on target.

Mossfern

(3,767 posts)
14. I've always criticised Netanyahu and Likud
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 03:45 PM
Dec 2023

and I'm Jewish. Nothing new here - there were anti Netanyahu protests and marches against him and his government in Israel before 10/7.

However if you look at some current issues, Jewish people everywhere are being attacked for what Netanyahu and the Israeli right wing's actions. THAT is antisemitic.

intheflow

(29,545 posts)
34. My post never suggested anything else.
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 08:40 AM
Dec 2023

Criticism of Netanyahu doesn’t equal antisemitism. That is my only point. Just like the saying Black Lives Matter doesn’t mean white lives don’t matter, saying Netanyahu is a problem doesn’t mean Jewish people en masse are the problem. I get that you and other Jews feel threatened right now. My housemates are Jewish and worried about putting up mezuzahs in our very liberal state. I have much sympathy for anyone feeling threatened, which is why I stand for peace - for the innocents on both sides, and against Netanyahu.

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
21. Hiding behind Israelis calling for the ouster of a corrupt politician
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 04:30 PM
Dec 2023

to excuse, make light of, or to pretend away antisemitism is fucking sick.

intheflow

(29,545 posts)
33. Insisting anything anyone not Jewish says
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 08:25 AM
Dec 2023

Last edited Sun Dec 10, 2023, 11:54 AM - Edit history (1)

that’s critical of Israeli politics is antisemitic is a prejudiced POV in and of itself.

JI7

(91,840 posts)
27. No, the poster was right about anti semites
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 05:54 PM
Dec 2023

The fact that Netanyahu is a failure and needs to go does not take blame away from those that attacked and those making excuses for them to supporting them.

nycbos

(6,484 posts)
13. And that's the difference between Israel and Hamas.
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 03:30 PM
Dec 2023

In Israel you can have an anti-government rally. Palestinians, who oppose Hamas could not have an anti-Hamas rally before October 7. I am willing to bet that many Palestinians are afraid to speak out against Hamas because they fear their families would be harmed if they do so.

Haggard Celine

(17,178 posts)
18. I also think they're scared to speak up.
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 04:16 PM
Dec 2023

I wonder how secure the elections are in Palestinian territory. Israelis and Palestinians are going to have to sit down and figure this out if we're ever going to get a two state solution. But some people, on both sides, don't want to solve the problem. The people who are encouraging this violence shouldn't be in power. They really should be put in prison.

Autumn

(47,774 posts)
25. The last election in Palestine was held on 25 January 2006. Interesting how Netanyahu has
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 05:39 PM
Dec 2023

kept Hamas in power to make sure there would not be a two state solution.

mountain grammy

(27,770 posts)
16. I blame Bibi for 10/7 like I blame Bush for 9/11
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 04:02 PM
Dec 2023

They played their stupid right wing games forgetting their main job, which was to protect the people and secure the nation. They both ignored the lights flashing red.
Both events were nation changing moments. It's hopeful to see many Israelis once again focusing on the root of the problem, a right wing government and Netanyahu himself.

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
22. Uhhuh..and there would be no outcry and UN actions as a preemptive invasion of Gaza
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 04:44 PM
Dec 2023

took place to crush it?

It would be the same shit but you are right that is exactly what should have happened anyway, damn the torpedoes though I think the level of fog between the belief it couldn't happen and reports of all sorts of possible activities are far thicker than many wish to pretend. They very likely "knew" in the exact same way about all kinds of attacks that never materialized.

There seems to be a thought that there is some total, perfect awareness and even shit bordering on magic because we provide a few billion in aid though this misses we don't have any such things and spend well over a hundred times that.

OMGWTF

(4,698 posts)
24. GeeDumbya knew we were going to be attacked and did nothing. NOTHING!!
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 05:01 PM
Dec 2023

If there is ever a real investigation into the events of 9/11/01, PNAC should be listed as Exhibit A, especially the part about needing a "new Pearl Harbor" to kick off the evil Rethuglican agenda of global dominance -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Pearl_Harbor

question everything

(50,180 posts)
26. You will never find any protests in Gaza or in Cairo, or in Riyadh. Many will be arrested
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 05:47 PM
Dec 2023

on the spot. Some will be tortured.

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