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Irish_Dem

(48,350 posts)
Fri May 3, 2024, 02:45 PM May 3

Why does Trump lie so damn much? How would he be treated in a normal workplace?

I found a good article written by a University of South Carolina professor,
Shannon Bowen, Ph.D.

3 types of liars — How to spot and deal with them before they ruin your team.
https://sc.edu/study/colleges_schools/cic/journalism_and_mass_communications/news/2018/pr_prose_types_of_liars.php

Dr. Bowen focuses on managing various types of liars in the work place.

It provides a good clinical description of various kinds of liars, and practical
management strategies to deal with them.

She discussed three types of liars in the workplace: pathetic, narcissist and sociopath.

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sop

(10,324 posts)
4. Trump is a pathological liar.
Fri May 3, 2024, 02:58 PM
May 3

"A pathological liar is someone who lies to get his way. They are manipulative, crafty, and usually have a goal in mind when they lie. They have no concern for the feelings of others, even of those people who are close to them."

brewens

(13,690 posts)
5. I was all over this when Trump was intimidating witnesses in real time during his impeachment. Try that in the
Fri May 3, 2024, 03:05 PM
May 3

workplace after you've been written up and put on probation. Even if you got screwed you have to keep your mouth shut.

Irish_Dem

(48,350 posts)
8. Good point. I was a bit shocked that Dr. Bowen did not say "fire these people."
Fri May 3, 2024, 03:09 PM
May 3

And that management teams spent a lot of time and energy managing such problem
people in the workplace.

Maybe in some organizations they are stuck with these people.
Tenured faculty.
Those with high productivity.
Nepo babies.

I have no idea.

Redleg

(5,864 posts)
10. Trump is the worst kind of liar
Fri May 3, 2024, 04:23 PM
May 3

I understand that people sometimes lie to defend themselves and protect their reputations. Trump does this and also lies about others to destoy their reputations. Also, Trump lies about very consequential matters, such as the 2020 election outcome, and people who believe those lies can become radicalized. Moreover, such lies foment distrust in our national institutions, such as elections, courts of law, etc. Trump is truly the foul king of liars. Fuck that guy.

Irish_Dem

(48,350 posts)
13. Trump's lies are very dangerous.
Fri May 3, 2024, 06:38 PM
May 3

He riles up his base to do violence.
And undermines and damages our democracies and institutions.

Igel

(35,402 posts)
11. If you're the boss, you get by with a lot of crap.
Fri May 3, 2024, 06:17 PM
May 3

I had a teacher-colleague that offered a 1st-gen Mexican-American a "towel" if she needed it (he was a 2nd-gen Mexican-American). An AP organized a single-race/exclude-all-others "cultural" assembly and defended it--only backing down when it was in the media because a parent said it harkened back to "separate but equal." Guess who was fired.

Another teacher-colleague was suspended for two months (and lost ancillary pay--night school, that sort of thing) for tapping a coed's shoulder to get her to wake up when the bell rang and she slept through the class's departure. Another district principal had a "get your picture taken in bed with me" opportunity during a fundraising carnival, with him in his PJs, the girl laying next to him (his arms around her) in bed. Sometimes nuzzling her neck. Guess who's now an assistant superintendent and who's on a couple of years' probation.

Current superintendent pushed strongly for a reduction in the local school tax rate while pushing for a construction/equipment "refresh" bond. Got both. She also insisted, like most other superintendents, in using ESSR funding for on-going needs. Like classroom teachers and pay increases for the overworked staff, and a new DEI department. Next year every campus is RIFing teachers because we've hit a budgetary wall. We're losing staff, we're losing teaching materials, but we'll have a nice new addition for the "inclusive" 18+ school, the dedicated mini-campus that serves the disadvantaged, and and for the new admin spaces in a half-dozen schools (elementary through high). And, in exchange for "making the teachers' jobs easier" and "encouraging academic freedom," we have not only a state but a district-mandated regime of standardized tests to ensure that we follow the district's "recommended" scope and pacing. IB, AP, dual credit, and on-level kids all have the same pacing. (Hey, where does chemical kinetics fit into that? Oh, wait, it's require for AP and IB chem but missing entirely from dual credit and on-level.)

We especially loved the new program where central office high-ranking staffers would just randomly come to campuses and visit a classroom. "You have an extra conference period today! Go, relax" as the district superintendent would take over your class. I looked at the person "offering" to take over my class and said, "Sure, it's Astronomy and they're doing a RR Lyrae lab. Tell me what a RR Lyrae star is and what it's used for in understanding our galaxy, and the class is yours. Otherwise, you're just increasing my stress because I'll have to do tomorrow's lesson plan tomorrow and make sure they get today's content--and that's more stress." fill in for substitute teachers. That sub would be kicked to the curb, unpaid. And without warning a random teacher would have an asst. superintendent in her classroom all day without any warning.

The superintendent is beloved by all. At least that's what she's told when she visits campus for her twice-annual mandatory staff meetings. "Mandatory" is no joke. Football practice and D-hall are cancelled to accommodate her schedule, and when that happens you know it's crucial and your absence will be noted.

Boss privilege.

Irish_Dem

(48,350 posts)
14. People with power can get away with a great deal.
Fri May 3, 2024, 06:41 PM
May 3

The rich, the powerful, the famous.
Abuse their power with little or no consequences.

Redleg

(5,864 posts)
15. True- but the flip side of the coin is leading by example
Sat May 4, 2024, 08:20 AM
May 4

Shouldn't we expect our bosses to adhere to a higher standard of behavior? This is a rhetorical question, not a criticism of your point about leaders getting more latitude than the rest of us peons.

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