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RandySF

(60,071 posts)
Tue May 7, 2024, 09:48 AM May 7

Columbia University employees describe captivity by pro-Palestinian protesters.

NEW YORK — A prominent transit union leader plans to sue Columbia University over alleged mistreatment of school staffers during a building seizure last week — the latest labor group to wade into the debate surrounding campus unrest.

John Samuelsen, international president of the Transport Workers Union — which represents 155,000 workers across the airline, transit, railroad, universities, utilities and service sectors — castigated Columbia President Minouche Shafik for waiting too long to authorize the NYPD to clear out Hamilton Hall after demonstrators occupied it last Tuesday night........

When the custodians told the demonstrators that they wanted to get out of the building, at least one “smarmy, sanctimonious, elitist ... occupier” — in a reference to the Gaza protests and takeover of Hamilton — told them they would not be able to exit premises because “this moment is bigger than you,” Samuelsen alleged in the letter.

The custodians had to then fight their way toward one of the barricaded exits to escape, he said.

The security officer, an African American woman, managed to slip out before the barricades were set up, Samuelsen added. But she’s still “shaken” by her run-in with the demonstrators who verbally attacked her “in a very aggressive and extremely offensive manner,” he said.




https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/07/tranport-workers-union-columbia-lawsuit-00156421

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Columbia University employees describe captivity by pro-Palestinian protesters. (Original Post) RandySF May 7 OP
Holding someone hostage against their will is a violent act JohnSJ May 7 #1
I guess that's what they meant by "globalize the intifada" AZSkiffyGeek May 7 #2
Its called kidnapping getagrip_already May 7 #3
Yes. JohnSJ May 7 #4
Sounds typical, very aggressive and extremely offensive. betsuni May 7 #5
To be fair, they were probably hangry since mommy didn't pack their chickie nuggies AZSkiffyGeek May 7 #11
the occupiers responsible should be charged with kidnapping & false imprisonment rollin74 May 7 #6
I hope they sue and get all the money these schools take in JI7 May 7 #7
Good for her JustAnotherGen May 7 #8
"smarmy, sanctimonious, elitist ... occupier" Clearly their is aggression but it appears to be against the students RAB910 May 7 #9
The students who tried to hold them captive? RandySF May 7 #10
so all a name-caller has to do is make an accusation and they are guilty? RAB910 May 7 #14
Name caller? BannonsLiver May 7 #16
It seems calling someone names is really over the top ripcord May 7 #17
We don't know this person from Adam, so the name calling is the only glimpse of their character RAB910 May 7 #20
"Yeah I know you were held against your will for a period of time..." BannonsLiver May 7 #35
Are you impressed by name-callers? When I read that nonsense, I lost respect for the person RAB910 May 7 #21
Impressed might be a little strong. BannonsLiver May 7 #24
Name caller is a factual statement lacking an pejorative element RAB910 May 7 #27
It's not adult language in my view. BannonsLiver May 7 #32
you went from "elementary school' too suggesting I speak like a "4-year-old" I am not sure which is worse, RAB910 May 7 #34
"To each their own." BannonsLiver May 7 #37
I have to confess, you are not really helping your side, using that approach RAB910 May 7 #39
Righhhhht BannonsLiver May 7 #40
there is a lot to unpack in your claims, but frankly I can't be bothered RAB910 May 7 #41
Ah. sorry. BannonsLiver May 7 #42
Poor abused students sarisataka May 7 #12
so all a name-caller has to do is make an accusation and they are guilty? RAB910 May 7 #13
The protesters put out video sarisataka May 7 #18
link? RAB910 May 7 #19
I did not bookmark the video sarisataka May 7 #23
I was expecting a video, not more accusations RAB910 May 7 #26
I am not a court of law sarisataka May 7 #29
And just like that, working class "name-callers" are now enemies of the elite revolution. betsuni May 7 #22
Per the article, there was more than one captive. RandySF May 7 #25
Again, when did we change our rules to guilty until proven innocent? RAB910 May 7 #28
If someone commits a violent act against me, I won't worry about their feelings, even before the trial. RandySF May 7 #30
"alleged" RAB910 May 7 #31
If it is proven that they were not allowed to leave for whatever reason the protesters give XorXor May 7 #46
So you believe some of what the custodians say but not other things? yardwork May 7 #36
K&R brer cat May 7 #15
How is that Rebl2 May 7 #33
Apparently if you insult your kidnappers that nullifies their guilt in kidnapping. BannonsLiver May 7 #45
Somebody screwed themself FHRRK May 7 #38
Do you think that Manhattan DA Bragg will press charges against them? MichMan May 7 #43
I don't see why not FHRRK May 7 #44

getagrip_already

(15,047 posts)
3. Its called kidnapping
Tue May 7, 2024, 10:06 AM
May 7

And is a felony in all 50 states. If violence is a component, there are enhanced penalties.

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,221 posts)
11. To be fair, they were probably hangry since mommy didn't pack their chickie nuggies
Tue May 7, 2024, 11:11 AM
May 7

And the mean old adminstrators weren't bringing them humanitarian aid.

rollin74

(1,996 posts)
6. the occupiers responsible should be charged with kidnapping & false imprisonment
Tue May 7, 2024, 10:13 AM
May 7

and do some prison time

Columbia let this shit go on for way too long. Glad there are lawsuits in the works.

JI7

(89,297 posts)
7. I hope they sue and get all the money these schools take in
Tue May 7, 2024, 10:18 AM
May 7

and I'm not even talking about regular tuition.

JustAnotherGen

(32,103 posts)
8. Good for her
Tue May 7, 2024, 10:20 AM
May 7

You don't hold people against your will - and if they have to escape -

Then you kidnapped them and/or are holding them hostage.

Don't fuck with black women - we are tired of America's shit.

RAB910

(3,547 posts)
9. "smarmy, sanctimonious, elitist ... occupier" Clearly their is aggression but it appears to be against the students
Tue May 7, 2024, 10:45 AM
May 7
 

ripcord

(5,553 posts)
17. It seems calling someone names is really over the top
Tue May 7, 2024, 11:25 AM
May 7

Something that horrible really puts the kidnapping into perspective.

BannonsLiver

(16,551 posts)
35. "Yeah I know you were held against your will for a period of time..."
Tue May 7, 2024, 12:03 PM
May 7

“And I know that had to be scary and unpleasant. But can you please refrain from calling the kidnappers names. They have feelings too. And families that care about them. Calling them names really is a step too far.”

This place never disappoints. 😂

RAB910

(3,547 posts)
21. Are you impressed by name-callers? When I read that nonsense, I lost respect for the person
Tue May 7, 2024, 11:30 AM
May 7

but to each their own

RAB910

(3,547 posts)
27. Name caller is a factual statement lacking an pejorative element
Tue May 7, 2024, 11:54 AM
May 7

If you see it simply as a "elementary school" use, to each their own

RAB910

(3,547 posts)
34. you went from "elementary school' too suggesting I speak like a "4-year-old" I am not sure which is worse,
Tue May 7, 2024, 12:03 PM
May 7

the hyperbole or the lack of civility

RAB910

(3,547 posts)
41. there is a lot to unpack in your claims, but frankly I can't be bothered
Tue May 7, 2024, 12:12 PM
May 7

I will say, you completely lost me with the "pro Hamas" comment

sarisataka

(18,961 posts)
29. I am not a court of law
Tue May 7, 2024, 11:57 AM
May 7

so I can judge a case based on merits as I see. Were I on a jury then I would give a presumption of innocence.

IMHO holding people against their will is much more serious than "name calling". YMMV

betsuni

(25,871 posts)
22. And just like that, working class "name-callers" are now enemies of the elite revolution.
Tue May 7, 2024, 11:30 AM
May 7

Last edited Tue May 7, 2024, 12:12 PM - Edit history (1)

RandySF

(60,071 posts)
30. If someone commits a violent act against me, I won't worry about their feelings, even before the trial.
Tue May 7, 2024, 11:58 AM
May 7

XorXor

(634 posts)
46. If it is proven that they were not allowed to leave for whatever reason the protesters give
Tue May 7, 2024, 12:29 PM
May 7

Would you then agree the captives comments were understandable? Would you agree that the protesters were in the wrong and should be held accountable? This, of course, all hinges on it be demonstrated to be a factual account.

yardwork

(61,849 posts)
36. So you believe some of what the custodians say but not other things?
Tue May 7, 2024, 12:04 PM
May 7

In my opinion there is poor strategy on many sides of this. I believe the overall purpose of the Oct 7 attack on Israel, and the well-funded and organized PR campaign that followed, is to create chaos and divide Americans. The ultimate goal is to get Trump back in the White House.

Americans could be handling this a lot better. We could all try harder not to escalate tensions.

BannonsLiver

(16,551 posts)
45. Apparently if you insult your kidnappers that nullifies their guilt in kidnapping.
Tue May 7, 2024, 12:18 PM
May 7

According to the poster above. Strange logic, and I’m not sure kidnapping victims and law enforcement officials would agree.

FHRRK

(550 posts)
44. I don't see why not
Tue May 7, 2024, 12:16 PM
May 7

Seems pretty much an open and shut case.

They have the right to protest, they don’t have the right to infringe on others rights.


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