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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsEverybody talks gun control, but nobody talks about increasing funding for mental health services
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)comes to mental health care. Or changing the culture of violence through governmental, private and nonprofit work to break the cycle of violence in families. Or respecting anti-bullying initiatives instead of laughing them off. Or fixing our child welfare infrastructure. Or funding education in a way that fewer kids fall through the cracks and they all get the help they need. It's all connected.
tawadi
(2,110 posts)we can do it
(12,219 posts)Other students he went to school with noticed he was at least odd, why not the family? Not condemning just asking? This also applies to the other shooters, like Gabby Gifford's. What will it take for other families to speak up?
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)personality disorder)--obviously, the family had taken him in for help in the past, and reports say now that the mom stayed home with him--so they knew he was not right. It wasn't enough in the face of a small arsenal of guns right in the family home, waiting for a mentally disturbed 20-year-old to have a psychotic break and kill the only person that seemed to care about him (his mom) and then take out an elementary school of little kids he didn't know. Mental illness is one part of the equation--availability of guns is the other.
we can do it
(12,219 posts)Also, how the medical industry (yes, I meant that) failed him and his family and community. How do they continually underestimate the severity of these troubled persons?
I still think the easy access to guns is the big problem.
Robyn66
(1,675 posts)He may have had Apergers with a personality disorder but it is dangerous to characterize Autism like that, I'm not saying you are I heard the news was calling it a personality disorder so this is basically an FYI.
janlyn
(735 posts)I have aspberger's. I am NOT mentally ill. I am NOT violent. I am ordinary in everyway..
Robyn66
(1,675 posts)as is my wonderful daughter! I think Aspies are our next evolutionary step!
tawadi
(2,110 posts)Robyn66
(1,675 posts)Not good, although it will get cleared up I'm sure. I have kind of radar for that because my beautiful daughter has Aspergers.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)guy had both Aspergers AND a personality disorder, two separate diagnoses. But it is important that people understand they are not the same thing, you are right.
Robyn66
(1,675 posts)we just have to stay vigilent and keep people educated
marble falls
(57,523 posts)AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Sadly, though, right-wing talking heads and those in the MSM who enable them, don't want to talk about ANY of this. Instead, they'll blame hip-hop, or violent video games, etc.
In fact, Michael Moore wrote a damn good article on the subject just this last summer:
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mike-friends-blog/its-guns-we-all-know-its-not-really-guns
I might just end up reposting this. It's that important.
Auggie
(31,238 posts)shireen
(8,333 posts)Yes. Exactly.
Gun control talks have been going in circles for decades now. It has to be addressed.
But mental health support is far more urgent.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)his family was fairly wealthy and he almost certainly had access to care. What this kid needed was someone to make sure he couldn't access guns. Instead, his mom bought four of them.
tawadi
(2,110 posts)Don't know if he possible could have gotten more help in school as he was growing up. Like the post above talks about, there is the stigma.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)not to have guns and ammo sitting around. You don't hand car keys to a drunk. End of story.
tawadi
(2,110 posts)If a child has a mental illness severe enough to be medicated, why would a parent keep ammo and guns accessible? Wtf? The words of the older brother are revealing. Upon hearing the news, he said "If its my brother, then my mother's dead."
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)thinking, keeping the guns and ammo around, but I'm going to speculate that despite all of the mass shootings that happen with sickening regularity in this country, she simply made no connection between guns and her son. Never ever in a million years considered the possibility that he might gain access to the guns and do something with them. As if such a thing never happens.
While this is on a very different level, think of all the times that a child gets hold of a family gun and "accidentally" shoots someone, often fatally. I put the word accidentally in quotes because every single time the public reaction is that what happened was a totally unforeseen tragedy. No. When guns are so readily available, such things will happen. And happen again.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)unfold in CO and Oregon, and saw that it was mentally troubled young men--why did this mother and father not see the possibility of their own son at least committing suicide at home, with psychiatric problems and accessibility to guns? I would hope that this tragedy causes some families to do some soul-searching about the young men in their lives, and maybe decide that having a gun isn't worth the risk of suicide and violence.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)you can't force them to take meds or commit them unless there's imminent danger. hospitals will take you for a month and spit you out when coverage ends.
http://www.nami.org/template.cfm?Section=Family-to-Family&lstid=751
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)guns and ammo in a mental health crisis. I'm not saying that the mental health system in this country is functioning well, or accessible. I'm saying this kid probably had more access to help than others, and had been receiving treatment at some point. And this still happened, because he was able to get a hold of four firearms right from his own house, while his violent impulses were fresh.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)treatment, and you can't get outside help until the endangering behavior is happening. And usually then you get a 3-4 week stay until insurance runs out.
Parents literally have very few options if they are afraid of future violence except to put them out of the street.
Education, support with earlier interventions are key. Right now, the system makes it hell for families.
The guns were foolish if she didn't have them secured. But our society leaves parents in a position where they try to be full time caregivers to young people who should instead be getting out into the world forging a life. The resentment and despair can build up on both sides.
It's not working. Less demonization of mental illness, and much more support and education is desperately needed. For every killer like him, there's thousands of quietly ill hiding at home that we choose not to think about.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)own family, and trying to find a loved one some good counseling and treatment. So I see the mental health side of it, and the difficulty that families have in coming to grips with illness and adequate treatment--but I do believe that the number one thing you do FIRST is make sure you don't have assault rifles and handguns and ammo at arm's reach. We agree that that was just an obvious mistake, and I think maybe some tighter gun restrictions might help in the future. But it's kind of heartbreaking to know that his mom probably tried her best to help him, and it was too much for one parent--his dad was off married to another woman in another state, his older brother hadn't dealt with him in years. She alone had a tremendous burden to deal with, and in the end, she was shot in the face and killed despite her devotion.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)It's an awful position this woman found herself in. When my brother was ill, all my mother could do was watch for was signs he would hurt her other kids. It's no way to live. He went through the revolving door of the system for four or five years before opting to take his life. It was a truly hopeless situation back then. But people are still so ignorant forty years later, it's awful.
Good luck to you.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)helpful.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)too much shame for seeking mental health services and refusing to admit they are needed.
I have a relative who won't deal with his son's asperger's/autism and keeps insisting he is OK. That is even another issue. We have to get over this as a society.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)for life. You just deny it and hope they grow out of it, is the plan. It is a shame, because there is therapy and treatment for just about everything.
treestar
(82,383 posts)as marks against people for life. Dammit, getting treatment for psychological problems is a responsible thing to do, only the ignorant would hold that against somebody, and in effect, allow the untreated people with the same problem access to whatever it is that the treatment is supposed to be a negative mark for.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)The attempts by the gun lobby to completely change the subject to mental illness, however, is usually recognized for exactly what it is: a fucking dodge of the worst sort. There are mentally ill people in all cultures and countries, distributed randomly as part of the population. In the US, we provide them with the "tools" to engage in fairly easy mass murder. That's an issue.
Of course we need a more comprehensive mental health system, and that means lots of spending and higher taxes. We also need comprehensive gun control that makes it damn near impossible for the mentally ill to murder dozens of people in two or three minutes.
No shit.
tawadi
(2,110 posts)Do you think there was a CT gun law requiring the mother's guns be locked away safely? I wonder. I wonder if any gun law could have prevented this tragedy.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)You're not being imaginative enough. Our gun laws are a velvet glove gift to the gun lobby. Lock the guns up? How about nobody possesses firepower sufficient to the task? Or it's so prohibitive to get that firepower that few can be bothered? Lock up the guns? If that's your idea of gun laws, it's no wonder you think they'll be ineffective. You imagine our weak ass do nothing gun laws, then inform us that they are weak ass and do nothing. No fucking shit. We need them multiplied by a thousand fold in restrictiveness. Then we'll talk about effectiveness. We need actual restrictive gun laws. You ain't seen nothing yet.
tawadi
(2,110 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)I don't. And I recognize claims that "we can't possibly do anything about that" to be another fucking useless dodge of the gun manufacturers and their flunkies. We can do anything we damn well please legislatively. That's what progressive government is all about. And if you're ready to bring up the 300 million guns already out there, I'm perfectly happy to start talking legislation for confiscation, also completely possible and probably desirable. Nothing is impossible, despite the bullshit dodges of the gun manufacturers and their flunkies. We are in a public health emergency, and the crisis has to be dealt with.
tawadi
(2,110 posts)You are proposing changing our constitution?
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Barring complete repeal, restrictions up the wazoo, making it damn near impossible to possessing the kind of firepower sufficient to the task. Firepower necessary to kill a deer from a hunting blind, by the way, is far different from the firepower necessary to mow down twenty kindergarteners in a five minute span of time. Once the ridiculous money-hungry gun lobby and their sucker flunkies are forced to get that through their skulls, we'll stop having little kids getting bullets through their skulls.
tawadi
(2,110 posts)Unfortunately the problems run deeper.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)In 1981, the problems of HIV/AIDS ran deeper than simply the amplification effect of the bath houses. But we closed the bath houses, and that helped. A lot. It helped in changing the culture, and helped in changing individual practices, and it slowed the spread of the virus. And don't think there weren't thousands ho viewed the closure as an affront to liberty. they slowed closure by three years in the midst of the epidemic, and cost many thousands of people their lives, just as the gun manufacturers and their sucker flunkies are doing today. We are currently in a public health epidemic as serious as that. of course it is multifactorial. No shit. that doesn't mean we don't act meaningfully. It means we act multiply.
The idea that problems are multifactorial and complex is not particularly original or insightful. Of course they are. Every adult knows that. The dodge, the fucking despicable dodge, is when we use the complexity of problems as a reason for doing NOTHING.
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Couldn't agree with you more. This is a multifactorial problem. Almost every problem is due to multiple factors, but this fact shouldn't be used as an excuse to do nothing.
Changing the culture of violence and guns is a biggie and can be started by changing the laws.
primavera
(5,191 posts)Law isn't just about creating technical offenses for which punishment can be enforced. It's about contributing to a culture and a social norm with respect to a particular area of behavior. Sure, part of the reason that we have mass shootings is because it's all too easy for a mentally unstable person to obtain weapons capable of inflicting massive harm in a very short period of time. But another part of the reason is that our culture glorifies guns. We embrace them as part of our rugged, frontiersman identity; the bold, self-reliant American, who can solve any problem and set to rights any injustice with his good heart and his trusty six shooter. It's like we're all taught that we should want to be John Wayne, who would never set foot out the door without his faithful Winchester with which to fight off the evil Injuns. That culture of perceiving the world as an inherently hostile place, against which one must arm one's self, I believe plays an important role in the staggering number of gun deaths that occur each year in this country. I suspect that, on some subconscious level, perpetrators believe themselves to be kindred souls with Charles Bronson, Clint Eastwood, Keifer Sutherland, Michael Douglas, or Robert de Niro - courageous antiheroes who recognize injustice and will accept the burden of responsibility for doing what it takes to remedy it in the face of an inept and corrupt government's inefficacy.
I think that cultural message can be influenced by law. If we pass laws aimed at emphasizing the responsibilities that accompany gun ownership, rather than focussing exclusively on the perceived right of every American to own their own .45 as soon as they pop out of the womb, that could, over time, influence our culture that presently encourages gun violence.
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)FarPoint
(12,486 posts)Agreed that such services need a huge upgrade.
tawadi
(2,110 posts)AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Funny how a lot of these same people out there whining about "gun-grabbing" are often the very same people complaining about how dangerous violent video games supposedly are, or how today's kids have a supposed "lack of discipline", etc.
Sadly, it seems that there's a few people on this site who buy into the former, and yes, blaming "violent media" IS a right-wing talking point, there's NO two ways about it.
whathehell
(29,111 posts)that violent video games are NOT part of the "culture of violence", because they are.
OBVIOUSLY they are not a singular "cause" of tragedies like this latest massacre,
and no one of sanity would say they are, BUT it's ridiculous to assert that they're not
part of that culture.
By the way, did GTA, after the protests of misogyny, finally do away with the "rape 'em and kill 'em" part of the game?
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)I am pretty sure that it is RW-think-tank and focus-group tested.
It's like climate change deniers--every year they are launching different propaganda and feigning concern about the victims.
From yesterday: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021985614
tawadi
(2,110 posts)I don't even own a gun. But even if they were illegal, since they are everywhere in the US, I could certainly get my hands on one if I wanted.
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)Yes, it was broader than mental health care, but you cannot say that we are ignoring the mental health care debate in the USA.
tawadi
(2,110 posts)If gun laws change, and if people still go on rampages, I guess then we'll know.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)My husband was sufferring from severe depression and borderline bipolar. He wanted help and it took two months to get it. None of the psychiatrists he contacted had room in their schedule. He had to beg for his life on the phone before one of them finally agreed to find room in his schedule. Yes, we do ignore mental health care in this country. Obamacare did not magically fix everything.
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)There's an ambulance-chasing Rethuglican crook named Jack Thompson whose exploits are particularly well-known to the GTA fan community, because of all the shit he's pulled. (A quick Google search can help you get started.). And he's far from alone.
dembotoz
(16,866 posts)we have trouble getting cancer treatment paid for
half the fricken country thinks obamacare is socialist
people do not understand mental illness
they think it is a personality flaw
that the person just needs to pray harder
or work harder
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)tawadi
(2,110 posts)cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)No matter how much money and resources you throw into it, you can't force people who are simply depressed or have non-violent mental health issues to get treatment.
tawadi
(2,110 posts)No?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)tawadi
(2,110 posts)Last edited Sat Dec 15, 2012, 04:32 PM - Edit history (1)
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)and basically they put them on meds and 3-4 visits to check how they are working a year. Families need much more support readily available before things get too far. And the ill need more attention and support too. They often don't have jobs, or much outside their family - who might be at their wits end not knowing how to cope and fractured badly.
It's very difficult to predict who is going to hurt anyone or when.
I'm shocked to hear how people assume this stuff has an easy solution the mother overlooked.
ejpoeta
(8,933 posts)to put someone in against their will. i have a friend who can't get his anorexic wife help because her family refuses to believe she has a problem. they think HE is the problem. so she is wasting way to nothing.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)or others.
I'm guessing you're thinking "How the hell would I know that??". Exactly!
Besides, having suicidal or homicidal ideation is one thing.....acting on it is completely different and many times it isn't the ones who have been vocal about their thoughts who are the ones who pull it off successfully.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)If people had the right information to know what to look for, and provide a gentle non-judgemental support system it would make all the difference in the world.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)Our relative needed a padded cell and a fuck-ton of pharmaceuticals, not a group hug.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)laws and regulations need to be looked at.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)family member???
Do you live here in the USA and see what's going on?!?! I bet we have a better chance of banning all the guns than getting family members to actually pay attention to one another based on some public service announcement.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)Someone staring $1,000/mo in prescription costs in the face, or health "coverage" that will only cover their condition for sixty days, is not likely to bother.
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)given to big Oil and use that to fund mental health care and clinics? As a school administrator, I see a lot of kids and families that need MH care, but can't afford it or cannot find a clinic nearby.
tawadi
(2,110 posts)If a child appears to have a "personality disorder" is their case followed up by school counselors or left up to the parents?
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)Technically, you address what will possibly be an impediment to academic success.
But in reality, we follow up, and, sorry to say, badger the parents as much as possible to seek help. We do have lists of agencies we share with them, heck, I've even been in on meetings where WE phone the agency and then hand the phone to the parent. We do all we can. Always wish we could do more sometimes.
But as it goes, sometimes nobody wants to listen to us, even though at any one time there might be over 100 years of experience (collectively!) in the room, trying to help parents help their kid.
tawadi
(2,110 posts)There is no solution when it's left up to the parents and the parents to little or often nothing.
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)that even if we feel it in 'our bones' or gut, or whatever, we CANNOT make anything that sounds like a medical diagnosis. We have to back off on that, so it is left to parents, which is very frustrating.
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)care money can buy. Dad making $900K per year, provided for all Adam needed, yet this tragedy still happened.
Imagine poorer families trying to deal with similar situations without resources.
tawadi
(2,110 posts)Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)There is simply no mechanism to force treatment in most situations.
FedUpWithIt All
(4,442 posts)I think it's more an issue of the "system", treating our mentally ill, needing the funding to work more effectively. There is no doubt that many of the most dangerous killers in this country already had access to mental health care. The care they received was clearly not helping them or at the very least was ineffective at sorting out those with dangerous tendencies.
The questions then become "Why?" and "How can we change the outcomes?"
I am ALL for gun controls. There is no "but" to that statement. I think it is long past necessary for us to reevaluate and actually do something about that situation. I am also ALL for improved social resources for those who suffer amongst us. I understand that gun controls will not solve the whole problem of violence in this country. These things are NEVER black and white like that. Sick people need care and sick and violent people who are already receiving care should be limited in the harm they can cause.
Our mental health system needs improvements. It is crucial and not only as it relates to these tragedies. It it crucial in so many ways.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)Until we get back to a point where we recognize again that even if somebody isn't a criminal, they might be too fucked up to be left to their own devices in society.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)People of all ages fall through the cracks. There isn't much in the way of awareness in terms of signs/symptoms, or anything really. It's a damn shame. So many people's lives could be saved, so many could have their suffering (and that of their family) alleviated.
tawadi
(2,110 posts)When it does, I hope people will learn from it.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Behavioral healthcare is nowhere near as profitable as medical/surgical healthcare. Need I say more...?
tawadi
(2,110 posts)The 1% will make sure of that.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I give the Unites States, as currently constitutes, no more than twenty years before it breaks up into smaller regional polities, Soviet-Union-Style. And frankly, the sooner the better...
dembotoz
(16,866 posts)behavior is on a continuum from very normal to somewhat odd to pretty damn nutso
coughing up blood produces a trip to the doctor
feeling angry
sometimes it is justified
i feel angy at michigan for passing anti union laws--am i planning to go there and shoot them??
no
tawadi
(2,110 posts)If the divorce judge ordered parenting classes something was going on.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)and chose to ignore. I'm sure there is some 'what will the neighbors think' attitude going on.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)My family could afford caring for a severely disturbed relative, but he refused all care and obtained restraining orders against us with the help of some fucked up lawyers I believe to be linked to Scientology.
Mental insistutions need to be reestablished and filled.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)I don't think those who suffer depression from a lack of sunlight in the winter are shooting up schools or pushing people in front of trains.
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)We need both. This is not an either/or situation.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Instead, we should be moving mentally ill people who are a danger to society to institutional care.
A friend who is a social worker with a degree in psychology has been assaulted and hurt by "clients" of the state supported clinic where he works.
These are cases of assault and battery, but they are not arrested, they are not prosecuted and they are not incarcerated.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)Another way to deflect the topic of gun control
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)Plenty of violent nutjobs who should have been institutionalized kill without a gun.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)dave502d2
(7 posts)When i was 30 years old their was 6 Mental Hospital 45 to
100 miles from my city. I'm 60 now and i don't know of any
near my city.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)underpants
(183,040 posts)arthritisR_US
(7,303 posts)Celebration
(15,812 posts)One huge potential issue is the SSRIs they put everyone on--when they go wrong (and they do!!), violence against self and others is a likely outcome.
littlemissmartypants
(22,858 posts)Response to tawadi (Original post)
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geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)Health care in general was a priority in the first Obama administration. You know, That president Obama that the NRA likes to tear down all the time.
And your argument works up to the point where people start crying about their privacy rights. It only works up to that point because requiring mental heath status is private information between a physician and a patient.
Personally I do think it should be a factor in gun ownership and purchase. IMO - full background checks and mental health evaluations should required for any gun purchases anywhere from anyone. Yearly, or at least at license renewal time, all requirements for licensing must be reviewed. That includes mental health status.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)....went home for the holidays and was considered a "failure" by his parents because he didn't have a good job like them.
We don't pressure our females to become "breadwinners" but all males are expected to not only earn their own way but to earn enough to pay for the house, the wife and the kids and if they don't they are called "losers".
It's okay for someone's daughter to work as a cashier but a son is supposed to be the manager.
treestar
(82,383 posts)There is plenty of evidence that we don't identify those suffering in the extreme and don't take care of them properly.
shireen
(8,333 posts)I've been thinking the same thing.
AndyA
(16,993 posts)Nor do they talk about why there's such a belief in this country that guns are required for safety.
Why is that?
If citizens feel like they MUST have guns to protect themselves from a government out of control, where are they getting that belief? Who is telling them that there's a secret plot to take everyone's guns away from them and then remove all of their rights and freedoms? Isn't this a mental health concern, that so many would believe such a thing?
The fact is, if the government really wanted to take over, all the guns and weapons in the world would do little to stop them. We have drones that can fly overhead, unmanned, and target any area that's been programmed, not to mention nuclear weapons. Assault weapons and guns would do zero to stop it, neither would access to large magazines, or having hundreds of weapons.
Nobody talks about increasing funding for police and law enforcement, either. If our society is so dangerous that everyone really must carry a gun like they did in the old west, why do we have police? If police can't protect us, and we must protect ourselves, why do we even have police? Perhaps better paid, better trained, and more feet on the ground could help, but that would mean we'd need to spend more money.
This country is one where having a gun is a right, but having access to medical care isn't. No sane person could possibly agree that this is the way it should be. Better access to mental health care could go a long way to reducing gun violence, as could more law enforcement on the streets, and a cessation of the notion that our big, bad government is out to take everyone's guns away from them so citizens have no protection when government swoops down and takes over.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)mettamega
(81 posts)yes
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)**************
Props to my wife for making the oh-so-sensible suggestion.
xxxsdesdexxx
(213 posts)We have several problems besides the lack of funding. First, how do we get these people to realize that they are mentally ill, and what do we do if they are and don't believe they are? Secondly, how would we get them to voluntarily seek help, and if they refuse help what do we do then? Thirdly, if they agree to seek help, will it even work? There are people who are beyond help, what do we do about them?
Back to the control of guns. How is that smart gun technology coming along? I believe having some sort of biometric device -- not necessarily RFID chips because that's too invasive -- like fingerprint recognition on all guns would be a step in the right direction. I know it's not foolproof because the registered gun owner could have an episode and go crazy, but I think this should be a part of comprehensive gun control plan. We should reinstate, and strengthen, the federal assault weapons ban. The prior ban had some loopholes which allowed many guns, which we would think of as assault weapons or semi-assault weapons, to be exempted from the ban -- we also need to include guns that have large magazines in the ban. Banning these weapons in the U.S. would inevitably lead to an increase of guns coming across the boarder, so we would need to strengthen our border security to prevent these weapons from coming into the country illegally. Someone suggested in another thread, that we implement a cash-for-guns program at the federal level in order to get these guns off the street. I'm not sure how successful this would be, or how much we would pay for these guns, but I think it could help at some level.
Summary of gun control ideas
- Reinstate and strengthen the federal assault weapons ban by eliminating loopholes which allow some truly automatic and semi-automatic weapons from being exempted from the ban and broaden what is classified as an assault weapon.
- Mandate that all guns in the United States have "Smart Gun" technology such as biometric fingerprint recognition so that only the registered gun owner can use the gun.
- Limit the size of the gun's magazine.
- Possibly have a cash-for-guns program in order to get as many assault/semi-assault weapons off of the streets.
- Eliminate the loophole which allows "Private sellers" to sell guns without running background checks.
- Secure the nation's borders to prevent weapons from entering the country illegally.
AldoLeopold
(617 posts)its definitely integral to solving the problem. Its not the only thing, but its extremely important and should be focused upon by the administration.
I've heard every diagnosis on this kid and not one of them has come from a doctor. The kid was twenty years old and he never saw a doctor. Now we know his mom kept guns because she thought something terrible was going to happen and she taught her sons how to shoot. And one of her relatives live in North Carolina. Ok, I still think she had rightwing ideas. That is too much fire power for someone that isn't a nut. He was 20 years old and home schooled too. Now where did he get his lack of feelings for life? He just walks into a school and shoots 5-10 year olds.