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What The Publishing Industry Does To Photographs Of Women (Original Post) JaneyVee Feb 2013 OP
Yeah. They're trying to sell people. MrSlayer Feb 2013 #1
And each of those subjects was a willing, enthusiastic, and well-compensated participant Codeine Feb 2013 #2
I can touch up my photos? pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #19
No shit. I've SEEN your photos. What has been seen cannot be unseen..... cliffordu Feb 2013 #20
Touché, brother, touché pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #22
You too, my good friend!!! cliffordu Feb 2013 #23
Don't dis. When I 'shop in that halo, I'm going to be a big hit... pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #24
...Christian Mingle..... cliffordu Feb 2013 #25
Well, duh! pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #30
GROUP RATES!!!!! cliffordu Feb 2013 #32
All is forgiven. We'll buddy-up for the discount, okay? pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #35
I'm all good with that!! cliffordu Feb 2013 #36
My mom actually has me touch up her photos. joshcryer Feb 2013 #33
Hey, if your help makes her happy, go for it. She IS your mom, after all. pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #38
Well, that answers the question of why my skin looks so bad. kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #3
You mean natural, not bad. To smooth the skin until it looks inhuman is the mark... onehandle Feb 2013 #7
I should have put quotes around "bad". kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #13
You took the words right out of my mouth. murielm99 Feb 2013 #8
I 'improved' the headshot of an older female executive just the other day. onehandle Feb 2013 #4
To some degree, what you engaged in is... Beartracks Feb 2013 #26
That's exactly right. Photography is not kind to the human appearance. onehandle Feb 2013 #43
We're in complete agreement. Beartracks Feb 2013 #44
Question: cilla4progress Feb 2013 #5
same things millions of home photographers do using photoshop. the point is? nt msongs Feb 2013 #6
Waddya mean? No one's ever done that for ME! nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #10
Here, watch the process: kentauros Feb 2013 #9
Is that for real? Wow. Some of them DO look different. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #11
Umm, they do this with men as well, MadHound Feb 2013 #12
Yep. Like this... Kablooie Feb 2013 #14
Plus one right there. +1 n/t Beartracks Feb 2013 #31
God forbid you have imperfect skin or a droopy ass! DearHeart Feb 2013 #15
I'm a photographer MichaelHarris Feb 2013 #16
Exactly. Blue_In_AK Feb 2013 #34
Most of the pictures you posted were not "outrageous" photoshops jmowreader Feb 2013 #17
love the oprah's head, ann-margret's body on the tv guide cover HiPointDem Feb 2013 #40
Nigella Lawson Tells ABC They Can't Airbush Her Tummy For Promo Poster progressoid Feb 2013 #18
And, in my not so humble opinion, cliffordu Feb 2013 #27
"...they weren't allowed to airbrush my tummy out" KansDem Feb 2013 #42
well there's Paula Cole too and she was rather pissed on this PatrynXX Feb 2013 #21
I met a 25 yo who gets Botox. tblue Feb 2013 #28
What do these editors have against women's calves?? Beartracks Feb 2013 #29
What I don't like about this Isoldeblue Feb 2013 #37
But one does SELL MORE than the other Scootaloo Feb 2013 #41
Some of these are pretty mild compared to others I have seen. RedCappedBandit Feb 2013 #39
I'll second that motion. theHandpuppet Feb 2013 #45
 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
1. Yeah. They're trying to sell people.
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:44 AM
Feb 2013

You try to make them look as attractive as possible. That's the gig.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
2. And each of those subjects was a willing, enthusiastic, and well-compensated participant
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:48 AM
Feb 2013

in that activity. Shit, I've touched up my own photos with a few moments in the 'shop before putting them online before -- if I could have them professionally worked over for maximum handsomification I'd be all for it!

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
19. I can touch up my photos?
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 02:43 AM
Feb 2013

Woo-hoo! The online dating services will never know what hit them!

That first date may be a bit problematic, however...

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
30. Well, duh!
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 03:42 AM
Feb 2013

I get bonus points from Satan for every one I seduce. You should sign up--just look for Satan's Friends and Families plan.

joshcryer

(62,287 posts)
33. My mom actually has me touch up her photos.
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 03:48 AM
Feb 2013

She's 67 and wants to look good, so, yaknow, why not. It's a fun exercise.

People IRL know she doesn't look like the touch ups, so it's really more digital makeup.

(Note: I don't have the skills to change her size, just get rid of wrinkles and blemishes. So it really is like digital makeup and not comparable to some of the crazy crap going on in some of those edits.)

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
38. Hey, if your help makes her happy, go for it. She IS your mom, after all.
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 04:04 AM
Feb 2013

With my looks, I can hardly criticize those who want to "enhance" their appearance. Though, as someone who had facial injuries in VN, I must say that my docs did a great job on me. I have no complaints--I'm just happy to be here.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
3. Well, that answers the question of why my skin looks so bad.
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:51 AM
Feb 2013

It's not ME that's the problem. It's the fake images of perfection that we are brainwashed into thinking are real and therefore attainable.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
7. You mean natural, not bad. To smooth the skin until it looks inhuman is the mark...
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:54 AM
Feb 2013

...of a poor Photoshopper.

Jolie looks like wax there, for instance.

murielm99

(30,792 posts)
8. You took the words right out of my mouth.
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:01 AM
Feb 2013

I don't look so terrible after all!

Anyway, I have always believed that every age has its own beauty. I know women in their seventies who are gorgeous. Can they pass for twenty? No, and why would they want to?

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
4. I 'improved' the headshot of an older female executive just the other day.
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:52 AM
Feb 2013

She loved the results.

I did not sand her down to plastic. Balanced the color. Whitened the teeth and eyeballs a tiny bit. Lightened the bags under her eyes. Reduced wrinkles, but did not eliminate them.

Beartracks

(12,847 posts)
26. To some degree, what you engaged in is...
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 03:35 AM
Feb 2013

... what I think of not as "fixing" or "improving," but rather making the person appear more the way they do in real life. For example... I've fixed my spouse's photo the way you described, mainly to make her look the way I always see her. For example: "Bags under her eyes? She doesn't have bags under eyes!" (shop! shop!) "I never noticed those worry lines before... Those don't belong there!" (shop! shop! shop!)

Ever look at a photo and think, "so-and-so doesn't look like that in real life"? (Or, more often, "*I* don't look like that in real life!!!!&quot Yep - then that's what I'm talking about.

(OBVIOUSLY this kind of touch-up is not what the magazine photo editors are doing. They're altering way more than cosmetic appearances. And anyway, the cosmetic stuff they do change tends to remove nearly all character. Like you said: plastic.)

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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
43. That's exactly right. Photography is not kind to the human appearance.
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 07:59 AM
Feb 2013

Which is why I put improved in quotes.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
11. Is that for real? Wow. Some of them DO look different.
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:05 AM
Feb 2013

Some...not so different. Just spiffied up and glamorized a bit. Thing is, most of them are beautiful to begin with.

I knew photos were photoshopped, but I've never seen the comparisons like that. Makes me feel better! I obviously look like a model. Just not without the photoshop.

 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
12. Umm, they do this with men as well,
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:09 AM
Feb 2013

Erase wrinkles, tuck in hair, push around body parts. Hell, they even enhance guys' chests and abs. Why? Because it is the business of making people look super, fabulously wonderful, all the better to sell people stuff. It isn't sexist, it's capitalist.

MichaelHarris

(10,017 posts)
16. I'm a photographer
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 02:35 AM
Feb 2013

and shoot models all the time. We try to deliver an appealing product, it's not journalism. When I shoot journalism I don't edit, when I shoot models I edit. It's simple really, most people don't want a photo with a big honking nose pimple.

Journalism shots:









Modeling:



jmowreader

(50,608 posts)
17. Most of the pictures you posted were not "outrageous" photoshops
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 02:35 AM
Feb 2013

And most of the fixes they made should have been made in the makeup room, not the computer - OMG they got rid of a weird lump of hair on someone's forehead!

Check out http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/06/oprahs-head-ann-margarets-body-a-brief-history-of-pre-photoshop-fakery/258369/# and you'll see that this is nothing new - there's even one of Abraham Lincoln's head pasted onto John Calhoun's body.

progressoid

(50,035 posts)
18. Nigella Lawson Tells ABC They Can't Airbush Her Tummy For Promo Poster
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 02:38 AM
Feb 2013
In a promo poster for upcoming ABC show The Taste ("about tasting and judging food without ever knowing who has cooked it or what ingredients have been used&quot , Nigella Lawson wouldn't let the ad team airbrush out her stomach.

She wrote on her blog:

"Although it was very thrilling to think of being up on a billboard in LA and around the States, I was very strict and English and told them they weren't allowed to airbrush my tummy out.
Wise? Hmmm. But that tum is the truth and is come by honestly, as my granny would have said."




http://www.buzzfeed.com/emofly/nigella-lawson-tells-abc-they-cant-airbush-out-he

cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
27. And, in my not so humble opinion,
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 03:37 AM
Feb 2013

She is one of the most beautiful women walking the planet.

If she wasn't happily married, I'd ask her out.

I love women who look like women.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
21. well there's Paula Cole too and she was rather pissed on this
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 03:12 AM
Feb 2013

personally I dislike Barbie girls. Paula Cole was pissed that they removed her armpit hair. personally can't recognize most of the photoshop folks above. especially the late Brittany Murphy. she always had those around her eyes so the photoshop looks like a drawing.. even in porn they do this both photoshop (and usually very poorly. ) Poor Sandra Shine had her beauty mark removed early last decade. And even now they sorta power her vagina . as with most girls. bit hard to powder that area if it's supposed to be wet.. and of course they all encourage big boobs otherwise they claim they are pretending to be underage. Which ALS Scan has been rather against implanted models. Which are fairly banned off that site. Surprised you didn't include the Jennifer Love Hewitt one where they actually shrank her boobs.. O_O

tblue

(16,350 posts)
28. I met a 25 yo who gets Botox.
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 03:37 AM
Feb 2013

Oy vey! Even the women in those pictures don't look like those pictures.

Beartracks

(12,847 posts)
29. What do these editors have against women's calves??
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 03:39 AM
Feb 2013

And also: someone felt they needed to make Katy Perry *"larger"*?? That was a waste of Photoshop time!

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Isoldeblue

(1,135 posts)
37. What I don't like about this
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 04:00 AM
Feb 2013

is lightening black skin, to look more white. To me that smacks of racism. Black is beautiful and white is too. But one is certainly not better than the other.

RedCappedBandit

(5,514 posts)
39. Some of these are pretty mild compared to others I have seen.
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 04:51 AM
Feb 2013

I do not like how we are brushing this off as simple, harmless marketing technique, tough.

The way people are doctored to look perfect in television and print is undoubtedly a significant factor in the rise of body-image issues amongst our youth. We shouldn't be so focused on worshipping this fake, plastic look.

As if the fact that these photographers are 'innocently' trying to sell crap makes the issue okay. If you can't sell your crap without the aid of inhuman models, maybe it isn't crap worth buying.

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