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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums'We Have No Choice': One Woman's Ordeal with Texas' New Sonogram Law
Halfway through my pregnancy, I learned that my baby was ill. Profoundly so. My doctor gave us the news kindly, but still, my husband and I werent prepared. Just a few minutes earlier, wed been smiling giddily at fellow expectant parents as we waited for the doctor to see us. In a sonography room smelling faintly of lemongrass, Id just had gel rubbed on my stomach, just seen blots on the screen become tiny hands. For a brief, exultant moment, wed seen our sona brother for our 2-year-old girl.
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My counselor said that the law required me to have another ultrasound that day, and that I was legally obligated to hear a doctor describe my baby. Id then have to wait 24 hours before coming back for the procedure. She said that I could either see the sonogram or listen to the babys heartbeat, adding weakly that this choice was mine.
I dont want to have to do this at all, I told her. Im doing this to prevent my babys suffering. I dont want another sonogram when Ive already had two today. I dont want to hear a description of the life Im about to end. Please, I said, I cant take any more pain. I confess that I dont know why I said that. I knew it was fait accompli. The counselor could no more change the government requirement than I could. Yet here was a superfluous layer of torment piled upon an already horrific day, and I wanted this woman to know it.
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Im so sorry that I have to do this, the doctor told us, but if I dont, I can lose my license. Before he could even start to describe our baby, I began to sob until I could barely breathe. Somewhere, a nurse cranked up the volume on a radio, allowing the inane pronouncements of a DJ to dull the doctors voice. Still, despite the noise, I heard him. His unwelcome words echoed off sterile walls while I, trapped on a bed, my feet in stirrups, twisted away from his voice.
Here I see a well-developed diaphragm and here I see four healthy chambers of the heart...
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http://www.texasobserver.org/cover-story/the-right-not-to-know
This is beyond cruel. It serves no purpose except to torment women who are considering an abortion for whatever reasons.
How dare these immoral shites impose this kind of "law" on anybody? Many of these cretins have
skeletons in their closets that would at least raise eyebrows.
And these same assholes claim they want government out of everything.
Meh!
Justice wanted
(2,657 posts)the MEN who are creating these BULL SHIT Laws care nothing to Humanity or Morality! If they did they wouldn't put a woman trough this! We are take HUGE steps backwards and it is becoming a steep slippery slope. We need to pull the reigns now before it is too late!
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)procedure that men would have to endure. FUCKERS!
StarsInHerHair
(2,125 posts)warp & change how the exam is done, transrectal probes; make them go thru hoops for their fuck pills too
CarmanK
(662 posts)We have to follow WI which is throwing the bums out. Walker is at least halted somewhat. His repug legislature has done some real harm to the state, but at least now the ST senate is not longer repug majority.
CarmanK
(662 posts)Be sure anyone you know who needs an absentee ballot etc... gets their application in ASAP. We cannot afford to lose a single vote to the repugs who want to deprive: minorities, the elderly etc.. their right to vote.
DLevine
(1,788 posts)The cruelty of these people never ceases to amaze me.
This will cause even more trauma and psychological harm to the woman later in life.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)This law should get some legislators impeached and unelected very soon.
Women, and enlightened men, aren't going to conveniently forget this.
MarianJack
(10,237 posts)Cruelty perpetrated with the sole intent of humiliating a woman who is having an entirely LEGAL [roceedure done.
Shameful.
Oh but wait. The rethugs tell us that there's no war on women. They wouldn't be friggin' liars would they?
PEACE!
Matariki
(18,775 posts)I thought this insanity wasn't passing anywhere. I'm starting to feel murderous rage over this. What the fuck is going on?
Ilsa
(61,709 posts)I don't know what it will take for Texas women to stand up to them.
socialindependocrat
(1,372 posts)He said something about being against Planned Parenthood
and the interviewer said that there were no federal funds going to
support abortions and Perry started to stammer after that.
It was on this a.m. at 10:30 or so
socialindependocrat
(1,372 posts)We have a very sick bunch of people in our society.
Things are illegal until the government gets something from it then it's legal.
Why does the government have the power to ignore the law!!
Chorophyll
(5,179 posts)When you've got half the country believing that every woman who seeks to terminate a pregnancy is doing so because she's a "slut" who must be punished for her sexuality, you end up putting people through medical horror shows that would have made the Nazis dance for joy.
I'm disgusted.
Chorophyll
(5,179 posts)RegieRocker
(4,226 posts)The Republicans and Libertarians are so full of crap.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)That states a women can waive this:
The doctor, then, is required to give, "in a manner understandable to a layperson, a verbal explanation of the results of the sonogram images, including a medical description of the dimensions of the embryo or fetus, the presence of cardiac activity, and the presence of external members and internal organs," the law states.
There are some exceptions, including pregnancies that resulted from sexual assault, incest or other violations of law.
Women seeking abortions also are exempt if the fetus has been found to have an irreversible medical condition that will cause a disability.
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-05-20/politics/texas.abortion.sonogram_1_sonogram-procedure-abortion?_s=PM OLITICS
Walk away
(9,494 posts)I'm glad that both my nieces plan on going to Europe for grad school. I hope they stay and make their lives there. This country is not a safe place for young women to live.
excuse not to write
(147 posts)proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)They were all over the internet. Just heart breaking stories. A lot like the one you posted.
But the story that stuck with me was from a woman who was in her 80s. She came to a memorial we had here in Kansas. She told of being pregnant in the 1950s, long before abortion was legal, and her baby died in the 6th month. Her doctor said she needed an abortion to get that dead fetus out of her or she could suffer serious health consequences, including death. But there was no doctor anywhere here in Kansas or in the country who was willing to perform this life saving abortion. So she was forced to carry that dead baby for 3 more months until her body went into labor. By that time, she was very ill, nearly died, and was unable to have any more children.
That woman's story is all I need to be pro-abortion. When I think that a woman nearly DIED because our laws in this country are so back asswards, I want to scream.
anti-alec
(420 posts)When you said pro-abortion - I'm thinking you all over Wichita screaming, "I AM GOING TO ABORT ALL BABIES" - going insane...
Not that kind of imagery I wanted...
And will be visiting your fine state, even when it's full of nutcases, next monday before I head home.
proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)xmas74
(29,676 posts)I consider myself to be both pro-choice and pro-abortion.
You can be pro-choice yet not be too happy with abortion. That's part of being pro-choice: you have the right to choose. I'm also pro-abortion and I feel that it should be legal and easily accessible. I feel that the only regulations against clinics should be similar to any other out patient surgical clinics.
anti-alec
(420 posts)No problem - I'm pro-abortion too.
The reply below explained it, and it kicked me in the rear and I got it.
It's mighty hot in Chicago, and this apartment is pretty worthless without air conditioning - I don't understand why a senior living place would have no air conditioning system in place???
I'm not a senior - I'm 36 years old, but the senior living place has a few apartments for rent by the day and we're only staying 3 days. Nephew's bar mitzvah was today.
nolabear
(42,001 posts)Oh, God. What they are starting to put us through.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Time to rip these goppers out of their seats so hard that they will lose any chance of ever resurrecting their deviantly mentally sick party.
SkyNeT13
(7 posts)there are no more republicans ...
tcaudilllg
(1,553 posts)I mean, really. Where are they on this?
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)Like turning up the volume on the radio in the office and reading the required information from a prepared script in a boring, monotone tone of voice that will lose the woman's attention.
tcaudilllg
(1,553 posts)Last edited Sat Mar 17, 2012, 04:25 AM - Edit history (1)
It's not in their nature. They will obey the law. The personality of a doctor has a lot in common with that of a cop.
tcaudilllg
(1,553 posts)I mean, really. Where are they on this?
marias23
(379 posts)Many men (secretly) think the women they sleep with are sluts. Are there any laws that tell men what they can or cannot do to/with their bodies? (Please post, if you know.) But there are a number regarding woman's bodies. Moreover, the laws are very personal and harsh. I think men have a lot of issues with women. They have no problem with other people (i.e. women) being forced to carry a child they do not want even if it is the result of rape or incest or the fetus is ill. They have no problem with an object being inserted into a womans vagina if they want an abortion.
Perhaps a little 14th Amendment equality is called for here. I will support a Virginia style law if they introduce an amendment calling for a catheter to be inserted into a mans penis if they want a gun permit.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)did not want to get an abortion - but at the same time felt that it was the right step forward for her baby. There was no hiding behind words like "fetus" here; she had a horribly ill son and this was the best thing she could do for him.
For her, abortion wasn't the "easy way out", out of a series of horrible outcomes it was the least horrible.
saras
(6,670 posts)A state or municipality doesn't have the RIGHT to redefine rape.
http://www.students.haverford.edu/masar/documents/USRapeLaws.pdf
xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)groups, organizations - AMA - are absent from this outrage. Their practice of medicine is being dictated to them.
proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)and officials from the university and the medical school were ABSENT while the bill was being debated. They finally surfaced this week and behind closed doors negotiated a deal that would get them around the accreditation issue.
Mind you, they never argued AGAINST the law. They just worked it out so their students would be in an accredited program.
Just unreal. What's the matter with Kansas indeed.
derby378
(30,252 posts)There is an old quote that sticks in my head even now: The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.
When Democrats turned away for even one election cycle, that allowed a crueler, more vicious breed of Republican to ascend and take over state governments one by one. The "Republican War On Women" isn't being waged at Capitol Hill, but instead in your state capitol.
No excuses. Find the most ardent pro-woman Democrats you can, help them win the primary, then help them win the vote.
judesedit
(4,443 posts)bastards and we are the ones who have to stop them. VOTE THE BASTARDS OUT OF OFFICE. Yes, I screamed. And you should be, too!
Dan
(3,585 posts)But what I don't understand is - why not for the coming election become a single issue voter - and vote against every politician that voted to support this...regardless of party. Why don't the females organize nationally, and just single issue vote them out all across the nation.
DallasNE
(7,404 posts)So the doctor should resign and either take up a new practice or take his practice to a new State. This doctor is not a victim as he claims here. He is a coward.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)I am serious. The state's women's centers, that do rape crisis work need to start assigning people to sit with women who are undergoing their enforced "counseling". They can offer support and an opposing view.
We have Jane's Due Process in Texas, lawyers who help underage women get abortions. Maybe we need Jane's Best Friend.
DFW
(54,467 posts)Last edited Sun Mar 18, 2012, 08:30 AM - Edit history (1)
My European wife refuses to live in the States, in part because people who pass
laws like this arrange for laws like this to be enforced. She is German, and refuses
to go through what her parents did in the early 1940s.
Viva
(39 posts)There is no one in the room,
they DO NOT have to do this
There is no one making them to do this
Every doctor who does this is complicate.
There were doctors who would do abortions when it was illegal. They did the right thing and disobeyed the law.
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)--are they not practicing in the 21st century? Why do they not fight these backward and dangerous laws? This is what I do not understand--HOW is it that everyone just ALLOWS these neanderthals to be so powerful?
I wish the AMA would get legal counsel and FIGHT these laws that not only punish and shame women, but put them in potential future malpractice suits. Because potentially now women will pursue legal means to defend themselves against forced procedures and go after the system, and --one would think-- that physicians would not want to take a risk of being caught up in it.