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book_worm

(15,951 posts)
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 11:59 AM Mar 2012

My guess is that Cheney fears death

He is in his 70's and rather than let nature takes its coarse and say, 'I've had a hell of a life--I've war mongered with the best of them--endorsed torture and killed thousands of innocent people--I think I can die a satisfied man--God, my only regret is I haven't shot more people in the face--what a high that was!' he decides to try and prolong his grasp on life with a heart transplant. My guess is that he fears dying and what death will bring. He isn't as sure of his Christian beliefs of an after life as he thought. He'll do all he can to try and squeek out another few years--or even another few months and to hell with younger, perhaps needier people who could have benefitted by that heart.

I know these are heartless thoughts about a man who always seemed to me to have no heart at all.

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My guess is that Cheney fears death (Original Post) book_worm Mar 2012 OP
I think Death fears Cheney MannyGoldstein Mar 2012 #1
DUzy Faygo Kid Mar 2012 #3
A snowball's chance in Cheney's kingdom MannyGoldstein Mar 2012 #33
I think the vast majority of us would do all we can to stay alive. randome Mar 2012 #2
that's what i think too CreekDog Mar 2012 #5
Me too. LiberalLoner Mar 2012 #16
My guess is he is more fearfull of who he is going to meet in the afterlife. yourout Mar 2012 #4
Or perhaps he has intimations that Christian afterlife may be all he's heard it will be. . . Journeyman Mar 2012 #6
He is the supreme coward. earthside Mar 2012 #7
He is and has always been terrified of death. +1 gvstn Mar 2012 #15
Had he been on the Titanic, he'd have been on the 1st boat off. Old and In the Way Mar 2012 #28
He is a disgusting human being. That said, he has as much a right to live rustydog Mar 2012 #8
Maybe, but that walk should be confined to a 6 by 8 cell in prison. obxhead Mar 2012 #13
70's is not old SmileyRose Mar 2012 #9
No it is not. I am 73 and do not consider myself old RebelOne Mar 2012 #32
If average wait time for a heart transplant is 6 mos- 3 years, how did cheney get to the top of the cleanhippie Mar 2012 #10
20 months, not 2 months. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2012 #22
Ahh, well then... cleanhippie Mar 2012 #27
I "read" that he waited 20 months.. Who knows. pangaia Mar 2012 #11
In the real world people his age generally aren't given consideration for heart transplants. n/t ingac70 Mar 2012 #26
Actually, they are. jeff47 Mar 2012 #30
Narcissists generally do... targetpractice Mar 2012 #12
Only his life matters malaise Mar 2012 #14
How many times did Count Dracula rise from the dead? Major Hogwash Mar 2012 #17
He knows what awaits. HopeHoops Mar 2012 #18
I once had a customer whose father was dying... Frustratedlady Mar 2012 #19
Everyone fears death. Rex Mar 2012 #20
but not everyone fears onethatcares Mar 2012 #21
HA! Rex Mar 2012 #25
Age doesn't make you fear death more. mantis49 Mar 2012 #23
Well I am always told that by older people. Rex Mar 2012 #24
Don't know how old you are, mantis49 Mar 2012 #29
Not really. I'm old and I'm at peace with the idea. Cleita Mar 2012 #36
"I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, ... Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2012 #31
Cheney will live to shoot another face Blue Owl Mar 2012 #34
Another DUer posted a few years ago, that maybe he's Cleita Mar 2012 #35
Scientific evidence for a Kinder, Gentler Dick Cheney..? blakeArt Mar 2012 #37
I like your politics, but not your "science." I do not think it means what you think it means. n/t Ian David Apr 2012 #39
He's afraid to meet his maker I guess. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2012 #38
If I were him I'd be afraid too. great white snark Apr 2012 #41
Huh. I've always wondered if this song was written about Cheney. Zorra Apr 2012 #40
My guess is that makes me very happy. Iggo Apr 2012 #42
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
2. I think the vast majority of us would do all we can to stay alive.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 12:04 PM
Mar 2012

And deep inside, I think that no one is ever sure of his or her beliefs.

yourout

(7,534 posts)
4. My guess is he is more fearfull of who he is going to meet in the afterlife.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 12:04 PM
Mar 2012

he better have a stockpile of cold drinks waiting cause it's going to be hot were he is heading.

Journeyman

(15,042 posts)
6. Or perhaps he has intimations that Christian afterlife may be all he's heard it will be. . .
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 12:11 PM
Mar 2012

"I tremble . . . when I reflect that God is just," opined Jefferson.

Maybe Cheney worries that the Preacher may prove right after all, and vanity of vanities, Cheney won't be able to whitewash his sins.

There's been no justice for him in this life. Perhaps he worries that his luck's about to run out, and he hasn't the heart to face the music.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
7. He is the supreme coward.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 12:12 PM
Mar 2012

And he rationalizes his cowardice through the belief that he is morally superior to the rest of us, the rabble.

I think he sees himself as a kind of macho "philosopher-king" who could make the 'tough' decisions, therefore, his own life was too valuable to risk in say, Vietnam.

I don't wish any human being physical pain, even Cheney ... too bad he never had the same empathetic feelings for the thousands of people, Iraqis and Americans, civilian and military, young and old, who suffered (and are still suffering) and/or died in the two Iraq wars that he directed from his lofty perch.

Scared of death? Without a doubt Richard Bruce Cheney is probably one of the most inwardly frightened people on the planet.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
15. He is and has always been terrified of death. +1
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 12:49 PM
Mar 2012
Scared of death? Without a doubt Richard Bruce Cheney is probably one of the most inwardly frightened people on the planet.

--Exactly! You can smell it through the television. Even before this last health episode.

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
28. Had he been on the Titanic, he'd have been on the 1st boat off.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 02:08 PM
Mar 2012

He'd have had no second thoughts throwing children or women over the side to save his worthless hide. He's a war monger and war profiteer and his whole life has been profiting off of someone else's misery. Too bad they couldn't have transplanted a conscience to go with that heart. A Profile in Cowardice.

rustydog

(9,186 posts)
8. He is a disgusting human being. That said, he has as much a right to live
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 12:20 PM
Mar 2012

and walk this planet as you or me.

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
13. Maybe, but that walk should be confined to a 6 by 8 cell in prison.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 12:32 PM
Mar 2012

I won't wish death on Cheney, but I'll certainly be sure to stop and piss on his grave when the day does come.

SmileyRose

(4,854 posts)
9. 70's is not old
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 12:23 PM
Mar 2012

older yes, too old to justify life saving medical treatment - no.

To equate the will to fight for life with fear of dying is far too simplistic. To do so is the same as saying people who choose to use death with dignity laws are happy about dying.

Dick Cheney has more money than God and can afford to make a different choice than most of us. For most of us, economics is the biggest part of the equation. But even with more money than God there is always that balance between prolonging our life and prolonging our death.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
32. No it is not. I am 73 and do not consider myself old
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 02:29 PM
Mar 2012

There are times when I get strange aches and pains and feel old.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
10. If average wait time for a heart transplant is 6 mos- 3 years, how did cheney get to the top of the
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 12:23 PM
Mar 2012

list. His wait time was allegedly 2 months (I heard it on MSNBC yesterday).



How Long Will I Have to Wait?

After the decision for transplantation is made, your name will be added to the United Network for Organ Sharing (UNOS) and California Transplant Donor Network (CTDN) waiting lists and you will receive a beeper for emergency contact when a heart becomes available. We cannot predict exactly how long you will have to remain on the UNOS waiting list, but an average wait is between six months to three years because of the shortage of donor organs.

http://www.cpmc.org/advanced/heart/patients/topics/transplant.html

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
30. Actually, they are.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 02:18 PM
Mar 2012

An otherwise healthy 71-year-old is fine for transplants. It's only when there's a lot of other issues that they'll consider not giving them an organ.

targetpractice

(4,919 posts)
12. Narcissists generally do...
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 12:28 PM
Mar 2012

I suspect Cheney has Narcissistic Personality Disorder primarily because he is incapable of admitting he is ever wrong, plus his willingness to act in secret and above the law... Just my theory.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
19. I once had a customer whose father was dying...
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 01:28 PM
Mar 2012

but she said he wouldn't go to sleep because the devil would get him. He had been sitting at the dining room table for days.

I asked her what he was afraid of and she said he was afraid the devil would get him for how he treated her mother. He knew what he'd done and knew the devil had every right to his soul, but he was terrified.

I saw a week or so later that the devil finally won. Never saw the customer again, so I wasn't able to get the rest of the story.

mantis49

(816 posts)
23. Age doesn't make you fear death more.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 01:47 PM
Mar 2012

I'm a nurse who works with the elderly (greater that 75 yrs old as a rule) and frequently ask a question that is part of CMS-mandated assessment. "In the last 14 days, have you had thoughts that you would be better off dead, or of harming yourself in some way?" It is part of a depression assessment and is supposed to identify those who may be considering suicide. Many times I get yes answers to having thoughts about the being "better off dead" part because the person may be looking forward to being with Jesus or loved ones who have already died, may be miserable due to chronic disease or disability, or believe that they have just lived long enough. These people will welcome death when it comes.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
24. Well I am always told that by older people.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 01:48 PM
Mar 2012

Don't know if it is true, but since everyone older then me says that...I assumed it was true.

mantis49

(816 posts)
29. Don't know how old you are,
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 02:11 PM
Mar 2012

so everyone older than you could be a very large group of people (or not).

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
36. Not really. I'm old and I'm at peace with the idea.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 07:21 PM
Mar 2012

I do have some apprehension about a long, painful and lingering death so I hope it's fairly rapid. However, if it must be a hard death, I think I'm mentally prepared for it too. Right now I'm disgustingly healthy and spry for my age but I know the time will come and it will be sooner rather than later.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
31. "I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, ...
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 02:28 PM
Mar 2012
I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. Mark Twain

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
35. Another DUer posted a few years ago, that maybe he's
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 07:16 PM
Mar 2012

superstitious and fearful that there might actually be a Hell. Someone with as much blood on his hands as he has, certainly must be having some second thoughts every time mortality stares him in the face.

blakeArt

(1 post)
37. Scientific evidence for a Kinder, Gentler Dick Cheney..?
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 02:53 PM
Mar 2012

I was thinking the same thing last week, after I heard about Darth's transplant -

I wrote a post that deals with it, and the evidence that has been compiled by others who have had heart transplants - let me know what you think..!

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
40. Huh. I've always wondered if this song was written about Cheney.
Sun Apr 1, 2012, 10:29 AM
Apr 2012


You feel bad, but not bad enough
You know you had it coming 'cause you played so rough
Back over your shoulder got an icy chill
Man, you thought you'd get away with it
Now you know you never will

Somebody, somebody
You got a feelin' somebody's following you

No one knows 'bout the times you had
You've been so evil; you know, you've been so bad
There's a devil to pay for what you put them through
And you got a feeling somebody's following you

Somebody, somebody
You got a feelin' somebody's following you
Somebody, somebody
You got a feelin' somebody's following you

There's a jack-o-lantern moon in the midnight sky
Somebody gonna live, somebody gonna die
But down in the graveyard on that old tombstone
There's a big black crow and it's callin' you home

Somebody, somebody
You got a feelin' somebody's following you
Somebody, somebody
You got a feelin' somebody's following you
Somebody
You know there's somebody
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