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marmar

(77,129 posts)
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 07:18 AM Apr 2012

What’s inside a school lunch burger? 26 ingredients, and only one is meat


http://grist.org/list/whats-inside-a-school-lunch-burger-26-ingredients-and-only-one-is-meat/


(Grist) What will you see when NPR’s Tiny Desk Kitchen takes you inside a school lunch burger patty? Some pretty startling colors — blue copper gluconate, red cyanocobalamin — and some 10-dollar names like thiamine mononitrate and pyridoxine hydrochloride.

And then there’s the stuff that tries to cover up the burger’s artificiality. Caramel color, for instance, makes the burger look like it’s been grilled when it really hasn’t. Yeast makes the meat taste more meaty, and the spices, flavorings, and sweeteners (!?) aren’t just there to enhance the flavor of the meat. They’re there to mask the bitterness of the added “enrichment” chemicals.

In the video, NPR host Allison Aubrey talks to a food scientist, who tries to justify this hideous progeny of a real hamburger and a Flintstones vitamin. For kids who don’t get enough nutritious food at home, the scientist points out, sneaking extra nutrients and protein into their school lunch might be the way to keep them healthy. But that doesn’t explain the disodium inosinate, an MSG-like “flavor enhancer.”


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What’s inside a school lunch burger? 26 ingredients, and only one is meat (Original Post) marmar Apr 2012 OP
Gross. CottonBear Apr 2012 #1
I feel the same way. nt AverageJoe90 Apr 2012 #2
"Why not use real 100% USDA grade A beef and serve the burger on a whole wheat bun with cheese..." greiner3 Apr 2012 #3
We need a top down readjustment of where our tax dollars go. obxhead Apr 2012 #7
In the meantime: cali Apr 2012 #8
Lots of schools do. sybylla Apr 2012 #5
What's inside a JustABozoOnThisBus burger? Only one ingredient is meat JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2012 #4
No, you need to use the chemical names jberryhill Apr 2012 #13
And I thought curry powder was ground-up curries JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2012 #17
8-Methyl-N-vanillyl-trans-6-nonenamide jberryhill Apr 2012 #18
Damn, now I'm hungry! WANT!!! Odin2005 Apr 2012 #25
What? No old fashion sawdust? Guess it can be sold to China for more dough. n/t SDjack Apr 2012 #6
EWWW Capt. Obvious Apr 2012 #9
I know those "ten dollar names" can be hard, so here's som oh-so-difficult translation enki23 Apr 2012 #10
Yep jberryhill Apr 2012 #12
Cyanocobalamin is vitamin B12 - and it's red in all its forms Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #14
Economies of scale jberryhill Apr 2012 #19
At Least Soylent Green was Made out of Meat CBGLuthier Apr 2012 #11
Nice Whiskeytide Apr 2012 #15
Do not eat factory meat... orwell Apr 2012 #16
dammitt FirstLight Apr 2012 #20
Which may be why they are putting B vitamins in it jberryhill Apr 2012 #21
that's exactly it. Chan790 Apr 2012 #26
Free and reduced costs breakfasts and lunches are so important. CottonBear Apr 2012 #23
And what percentage of the burger is meat by weight? Johnny Rico Apr 2012 #22
We called the stuff in out school lunches "mystery meat". Odin2005 Apr 2012 #24

CottonBear

(21,598 posts)
1. Gross.
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 07:38 AM
Apr 2012

Why not use real 100% USDA grade A beef and serve the burger on a whole wheat bun with cheese, lettuce and tomato. Give them fortified milk to drink and a side of freash fruit salad. Why not give them a chewable vitamin too! I'd throw in some tater tots on their plate too, "cause kids love them!

 

greiner3

(5,214 posts)
3. "Why not use real 100% USDA grade A beef and serve the burger on a whole wheat bun with cheese..."
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 08:01 AM
Apr 2012

Every school district has $X to spend on a school lunch. While some districts may be able to afford this, I can think of a few in Central Columbus, I doubt the 99% of the rest would not be able to come close to your Utopian ideal.

Great thought and sentiment though. I do agree with your post, just am thinking of the dollars and cents/sense of reality.

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
7. We need a top down readjustment of where our tax dollars go.
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 08:32 AM
Apr 2012

I would be happy to take all the money we give to oil companies, one of the most profitable businesses on the planet, and shift it to a wholesome nationwide school lunch program.

The money is there, we just have to stop giving it to the people who don't need it.

sybylla

(8,533 posts)
5. Lots of schools do.
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 08:04 AM
Apr 2012

I'm sure the company that is the source of this burger sells to schools. And other institutions besides schools. But to imply that all schools serve this same crap hamburger is the kind of journalism Jon Stossel and Geraldo Rivera are known for.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,384 posts)
4. What's inside a JustABozoOnThisBus burger? Only one ingredient is meat
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 08:01 AM
Apr 2012

Ground round
Mustard powder
Curry powder
Chopped onion
Chopped green pepper
Salt
Pepper

Heck, two of the ingredients count as vegetables!

Is it lunchtime yet?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
13. No, you need to use the chemical names
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 08:59 AM
Apr 2012

...the curry powder alone has some scary sounding compounds in it.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,384 posts)
17. And I thought curry powder was ground-up curries
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 09:54 AM
Apr 2012

Curry powder:

Coriander
Turmeric
Cumin
Cinnamon
Fenugreek
Black Pepper
Ginger
Allspice
Red Pepper
Nutmeg
Cloves
Cardamom

Nothing that seems scary, but now my burgers are up to 17 ingredients. I'm catching up with the school cafeteria. I wonder where I can buy some pink slime.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
18. 8-Methyl-N-vanillyl-trans-6-nonenamide
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 10:07 AM
Apr 2012

You are deliberately putting that chemical in your burgers. It is what makes your red pepper spicy.

And you are feeding it to people.

How dare you.

Look at the ginger alone:

� �� The essential oil of ginger (ardraka) was found to contain, heptane, octane, isovaleraldehyde, nonanol, ethyl pinene, camphene, b-pinene, sabinene, myrcene, limonene, b-phellandrene and 1,8-cineole by GLC analysis. ( Phytochemistry 1972, 11, 3377); presence of gingediol, methylgingediol and their diacetates by GC-MS (Masada Yoshiro et.al., Yakzigakit Zossizi 1974,94(6),735(Japan); Chem. Abstr.1974,81,166345 p) was also detected; new sesquiterpenes sequithujene, cis-sesquisabinene hydrate and zingiberenol (2-methyl-6(trans-4'- methyl-4'-hydroxycyclohex-2'-enyl)-hept-2-ene) were isolated and structures determined (Can. J. Chem. 1975, 53, 3285); D3-carene, a-terpinene, a-terpineol, nerol, 1,8-cineole, zingiberene, neral, geranial, geraniol and geranyl acetate were identified in essential oil from rhizomes of ginger (Sakamura, Fukiko and Hayashi, Shuichi,� Nippopy Nogei Kagakit Kaishi 1978, 52, 207(Japanese); Chem. Abstr. 1978, 89, 152563 m).

enki23

(7,791 posts)
10. I know those "ten dollar names" can be hard, so here's som oh-so-difficult translation
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 08:45 AM
Apr 2012

"thiamine mononitrate" = vitamin B1
"pyridoxine hydrochloride" = vitamin B6

But they sure look scary when you call them by their chemical names, don't they?

Cirque du So-What

(26,037 posts)
14. Cyanocobalamin is vitamin B12 - and it's red in all its forms
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 09:10 AM
Apr 2012

The added B-vitamins are no big deal IMO. They're water-soluble, so there's no possibility of overdose. I question the wisdom of adding B-vitamins to meat, however, as most bread products are already enriched anyway. If they'd just leave the meat alone, there wouldn't be the need for sweeteners and flavor enhancers. The food industry must be making incredible profits by making meat a 'value-added product,' else they wouldn't be doing it. School systems need to organize and tell the big food processors that they're not buying this crap anymore. I'd like to see a push toward 'buying locally' anyway. I haven't run the numbers, but it stands to reason that ground beef could be obtained locally for a cheaper price than buying it from a big food company that obtains the 'plain' meat, processes the meat to hell-and-back, freezes it, and then ships it all around the country.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
19. Economies of scale
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 11:29 AM
Apr 2012

I don't know where the nearest slaughterhouse is to me, but I bet there are ones hundreds of miles away that can process more cattle and transport the meat at a substantially lower unit cost.

It's good that people are learning more about what it really takes to feed more than 300 million people in a technologically advanced society a diet that is based on a basic plan established when most people were living on farms. Because the basic problem is that what and how we eat is totally out of whack with how we live in the first place.

First of all, we eat too much dang meat. Period. There is no way to produce that much meat and get it to that many people on this scale without having to engage in practices that people are shocked, shocked, to learn about.

Again, most people don't know where their own shit goes after they flush the toilet. Not a damned clue.

orwell

(7,781 posts)
16. Do not eat factory meat...
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 09:37 AM
Apr 2012

...I worked in a meat plant.

If you knew what went into your "federally inspected" hot dogs you would never eat one again.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
21. Which may be why they are putting B vitamins in it
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 03:06 PM
Apr 2012

blue copper gluconate - metabolizable copper supplement
red cyanocobalamin - Vitamin B12
thiamine mononitrate - Vitamin B1
pyridoxine hydrochloride - Vitamin B6

Of those kids for whom school lunch may be the only meal they get, can you explain which of those things you don't want them to have?

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
26. that's exactly it.
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:52 AM
Apr 2012

School districts are now obligated to serve enriched food products at every opportunity in order to insure that students who may be coming from households in food-deserts or where proper nutrition may not be achieved due to cost, negligence or lack of home-tech skills are getting the most-complete diet possible.

I'm reminded of a classmate at prep school who, left to feed his sister on a regular basis and eating nothing but processed foods himself, was cause to her getting scurvy as a 7yo. as a bowl of oranges rotted on the counter over the span of several weeks. Let's just say the absentee parents, both doctors, were a bit annoyed with themselves as they realized they were negligent in not making sure that he was feeding her a proper diet. They bought the food but neither of them noticed that the only things moving were microwave pizza rolls, hotdogs, chicken nuggets and Coca-cola.

While the chemical names sound daunting and artificial, I wish they'd add vegetable-paste with soluble fiber into the mix.

CottonBear

(21,598 posts)
23. Free and reduced costs breakfasts and lunches are so important.
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:31 AM
Apr 2012

A hungry child can't learn.

If the 1% and corporation paid their fair share of taxes and the USA didn't spend trillions on war, then we could feed our children good, healthy food. Heck, everyone could eat good food.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
24. We called the stuff in out school lunches "mystery meat".
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:40 AM
Apr 2012

Based on the texture it was probably that Pink Slime.

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