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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIn the midWest when you shake on a deal, it a done deal. Also being polite and neighborly is the
norm and probably why Walker is ahead in the polls. Signing petitions and going to rallies when asked is just being neighborly.
Voting to recall is admitting you made a mistake and your going back on your deal. Not going to happen.
The DNC knows that and are not going to waste money needed for Nov.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,947 posts)It's 100% wrong. And the DNC is stupid if they don't help with this election.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)this is nothing but the view in the vanity mirror that comes out to suck the rubes in.
HubertHeaver
(2,522 posts)elleng
(131,292 posts)WHO made a mistake? Who LIED?
REP
(21,691 posts)I'm a native Missourian. Your post is hilarious.
CK_John
(10,005 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)"Voting to recall is admitting you made a mistake and your going back on your deal"
I don't believe your BS, but even if I accept that what you're saying is true, I also know that it means you believe that people who vote to recall have a character deficiency because they aren't holding up their "deal".
xchrom
(108,903 posts)DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)That thinks that view of midwesterners is a load of manure.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Hard and dark?
Soft and squishy?
Or diarrhea?
It makes a difference.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)How does your wisdom work again?
So let's round it up, because you're just going to pretend to be a victim of all the people who say that you can't predict anything --in fact, you usually predict the opposite of what ends up happening.
So let's give this a shot, officially and take you on substance:
1) there is a poll out there, with only a 5 point margin in Walker's favor, largely along party lines. so apparently, people are also saying they'll vote to recall Walker, in fact, nearly as many saying that as those saying they won't. Are they lying? Is that part of the "neighborly" and "polite"?
2) recall is part of the law. it is allowed, it is part of the process in a progressive state like Wisconsin. you are wrong to question the character of those who would vote to recall Walker --that is what you are doing, make no mistake about it and you will be called out for doing it here by many.
please don't cry victim for being accused of saying what you are actually saying.
CK_John
(10,005 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)a researched article with links to debunk what you're saying?
you don't any of that. you post fragments, half thoughts and inflammatory predictions, like this one.
you hardly ever post content and you're criticizing someone's response to you as not being good enough?
quit pulling my leg. you probably shouldn't even respond to me because I KNOW.
you know?
but then, I'm not alone.
CK_John
(10,005 posts)I don't make predictions, I post what I think will happen at the time I post.
Why it bothers you so much is very very weird and I think you are a cyber stalker.
End of discussion.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)CK_John Mon Mar-22-10 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #50
53. Sell everything short. 6500 before New Year. n/t
CK_John Wed Aug-13-08 12:56 PM
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Obama needs to be prepared to address the draft question, it's only a matter of days before
McCain or Cheney bring this into the campaign.
Obama should get out in front of this issue, by asking Bush, what invisible army are we going to send to the aid of Poland if he installs those anti-missiles systems. It's too late for Georgia.
Whatever Obama does he can not rule out a draft or he will lose the election.
CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-13-08 01:34 PM
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10. I doubt there will be any debates, maybe a VP debate but that's all. n/t
CK_John (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-03-08 09:24 PM
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Wednesday begins the long march, Hillary to the WH, Obama back to the Senate. n/t
CK_John (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-23-08 08:50 AM
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If Obama is as good of a politician as I think, he will soon exit after extracting his next career
position from Hillary.
He knows the math and since I believe he is a control freak and decision challenged he will never be willing to place his future in the hands of another(his VP pick).
He will never be able to select a VP that will be perfect enough for him and may have already may a deal with the Mayor of NYC to do the selection process for him. A deal that may have avoided a 3rd party challenge but something that now would lead to a total rejection in the GE.
He knows he is not ready for the next stage and if he is honest with himself will step aside and get ready for 2012.
CK_John (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-30-08 07:24 AM
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7. Obama suspends his campaign May 8th. n/t
CK_John (1000+ posts) Sat Apr-19-08 09:16 AM
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Obama has to win in PA to get the nomination. He has to show he is a winner and not a whiner.
A close loss is not going to be enough. At this point it's not about Hillary but about him. He has to show he can get votes and not just crowds.
CK_John (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-09-08 05:05 PM
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IMO, Condi is being test marketed to sub for McCain at their convention or shortly after. It's looks
to me like the old bait and switch if Obama gets the nomination. John Roberts is being held in reserve if Hillary gets the nod. I don't believe Cheney will ever take a chance on McCain.
CK_John (1000+ posts) Sat May-17-08 09:58 PM
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48. It is foolish to think Cheney will leave McCain on the ticket, and Obama will not carry NY or CA. nt
CK_John (1000+ posts) Sun Jun-01-08 01:06 PM
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Obama will probably face Gov Palin or Jindal. McCain's health problems are
becoming more obvious. Is he ready?
CK_John (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-18-08 04:43 PM
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My last word on Obama's VP pick, it will be Melinda Gates or Caroline Kennedy.
The past is prologue.
CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-26-08 12:01 PM
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Political geeks totally miss the power of pop culture, that is why Palin may well be the next President.
The political pundits (real ones and DU pundits) think its all about government,issues,leadership, the common good,etc. They have bypassed the influence of pop culture and don't even try to understand it or its role in getting people elected.
The focus of the current culture is best summed up by reality TV shows. The pop culture glorifies stupidity, wannabes, and easy solutions to complex problems.
Right now pop culture knows it doesn't know what is going on in the world, is fearful of economic ruin, feels guilty for enjoying soft porn, want to be cared for, and above all don't make me think it hurts my head.
That is why they love Palin. She is hot, mouthy, doesn't think, hates science and math, and doesn't give a shit about anyone but Palin. She is them.
Palin knows this and will milk it for all its worth (right now 7 million and rising) and will run in 2012 and probably win, unless the pop culture shifts or is shifted to serious concern for themselves and the planet.
The only good news is fads and pop culture come and go quickly usually 4 or 5 TV seasons.
CK_John (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-21-08 07:37 PM
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IMO, Jindal was not lying about being VP, McCain will dropout and endorse him for the nomination.
I think Cheney is pulling the plug on the McCain dog and pony show.
The only question I have is, has Cheney found out who Obama will pick for VP because he will bring in a matched pair. If it is Obama/Clinton then Cheney will bring in Jindal/Palin.
We'll know more Thur with the big LA announcement.
CK_John (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-10-08 09:33 AM
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Why does anyone think Obama will win? Almost every DU'er seems to be the only vote within their
immediate family, their extended family, their job, and their casual friends according to the many posts fighting the brave and lonely fight for Obama. Even here I doubt Obama gets 51% due to being non citizens, not registered, incapable of making any decisions, underage, etc.
In my area of upstate NY there is 0 support, no signs, no car stickers, 20% outright racism, 30% covert racism, 25% won't vote for varies reasons, and rest will vote for Obama but will not say so publicly.
I think the reality is Obama is down about 15% and anyone who thinks this is a cakewalk is a fool.
CK_John (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-15-08 07:55 AM
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7. NY and NJ are in play. Many of those dem's were hardhats for Nixon. n/t
CK_John (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-15-08 08:14 AM
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30. Obama will not win by more than 5 points in any state. n/t
naaman fletcher
(7,362 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)That was a movement of farmers who challenged that Gilded in the Gilded Age. That's the spirit of Minnesota, Iowa and Wisconsin. And it could happen again.
The Democratic Party will face a serious blow to morale if Walker is not recalled. It's going to hurt almost as badly as the 2010 fiasco.
It's time for Democrats and especially President Obama to stand up these nutty right-wingers and put them in their places.
Deal or not, Walker is a danger to working people. He should be recalled as soon as possible.
It is extremely important for Wisconsin to recall Walker. If they don't Walker will be emboldened as will his extremely radical Republican pals. And ordinary people in Wisconsin will find themselves paying a ransom to big business. That's the Republican game. Steal from the poor to give to the rich.
GeorgeGist
(25,326 posts)rucky
(35,211 posts)wouldn't Midwesterners demand he hold up his end of the deal?
CK_John
(10,005 posts)JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)The one on election day.
When Senator Stabenow was first elected to the Senate she trailed in the polls every day until election day. Then she won.
The key is to not let up now. If anyone not in Wisconsin can help with phone banking or donations or whatever then we need to do that. And of course we already know the great fighting spirit of the Progressives in Wisconsin.
Now's not the time to start whining and pointing fingers--there is way too much work to do! Plenty of time to raise the hue and cry about...well whatever you'd like I guess...AFTER the work is done.
Julie
rucky
(35,211 posts)SalviaBlue
(2,918 posts)He claimed he would do one thing and did something completely different. He is on record as trying divide and conquer his constituents, which is not very neighborly.
I'm from the west coast but I'm pretty sure the midwesterners are smart enough get this too.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)"polite and neighborly"... You're kidding or this is satire right?
My brother (when we were kids in WI) broke his arm and the neighbor (WHO FREAKING KNEW HIM) would not let him in her house to call our mother. Neighborly my ass.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)lead me to believe that the party is lying. I hope that's not too harsh, but you can't tell me how important an election is (and ask me for contributions -- 3 calls this week) -- then tell me "But we're not funding it".
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)In fact, they sound cold blooded. Walker said one thing running and then took a radical path, and this means, from here, that his is dishonor personified, and those who support him support a god damn liar.
I'm not even going to start on the fucked up attitude that in 'the heartland' you are honest and plain spoken folks, the rest of us are not people of our words, I suppose?
The DNC is just a hapless batch of Peter Principle ass scratchers who wound up in politics due to personalities too unsavory and skill sets too shallow for the real world marketplace.