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spanone

(135,921 posts)
Sat May 19, 2012, 09:17 AM May 2012

Media Turns Its Back On Experts Who Blame GOP For Political Gridlock

Thomas E. Mann, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, and Norman J. Ornstein, resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, are well-respected centrist congressional experts who are often cited by the media. But their recent conclusion that Republicans are responsible for political dysfunction -- laid out in an April 29 Washington Post op-ed and their recently released book -- has been largely ignored, with the top five national newspapers writing a total of zero news articles on their thesis.

http://mediamatters.org/research/201205180007

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Media Turns Its Back On Experts Who Blame GOP For Political Gridlock (Original Post) spanone May 2012 OP
Apparently Proud Liberal Dem May 2012 #1
seems there is very little 'journalism' today. national enquirer standards apply. spanone May 2012 #2
They will publish anything Proud Liberal Dem May 2012 #4
I believe the enquirer has higher standards these days.... eggplant May 2012 #26
And BushCo usually gets a free pass for driving the country into the ditch. lpbk2713 May 2012 #3
+1 Proud Liberal Dem May 2012 #5
WhoCo? zbdent May 2012 #11
Republicans block everything and say "See Obama did Nothing" emulatorloo May 2012 #12
the original WaPo op-ed...Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem. spanone May 2012 #6
And no one from the MSM demanded taht West produce a list of names to back coalition_unwilling May 2012 #10
Soledad O’Brien did. ronnie624 May 2012 #14
REPUBLICANS ARE THE PROBLEM! The Wielding Truth May 2012 #30
Actually, they're not anymore "expert" than anyone else who's been noting this for years... JHB May 2012 #7
A topic no Sunday show will tackle spanone May 2012 #8
What, You Would Have Them Replace John McCain DallasNE May 2012 #23
Norm Ornstein is known as "Washington's most quoted pundit." DFW May 2012 #9
I've always thought that Mr. Ornstein is (comparatively) conservative, too. Demoiselle May 2012 #13
Norm has always been a very centrist, fiercely pragmatic type DFW May 2012 #21
How's Helen these days? lpbk2713 May 2012 #16
I plan to have dinner with her Monday night. I'll let you know! n/t DFW May 2012 #20
Hugs from me to Helen, please. dmr May 2012 #25
Will do! DFW May 2012 #34
Damn Liberal media! marsis May 2012 #15
DUH Iliyah May 2012 #17
"The NewsHour" on PBS featured them as part of a weeknight broadcast. CBHagman May 2012 #43
.... BlancheSplanchnik May 2012 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author hay rick May 2012 #19
M$M = GOP Rex May 2012 #22
Follow the money (NT) The Wizard May 2012 #24
I would support the development of credible media outlets. tcaudilllg May 2012 #27
Thats because the 1% have control over the private media fascisthunter May 2012 #28
Sales department directive gulliver May 2012 #29
Well... Let's Just Say... WillyT May 2012 #31
GOP GRIDLOCK maddiemom May 2012 #32
But then again, the media just has to do hit pieces on OWS...... AverageJoe90 May 2012 #41
Everything on the MSM should be assumed to be propaganda... Odin2005 May 2012 #33
Very odd, that gratuitous May 2012 #35
Doh! I don't call it the GOP owned media for nothing. Look at their biggest pundits! freshwest May 2012 #36
Infuriating. SunSeeker May 2012 #37
they are afraid of limbaugh and sons on 1000 radio stations and have been well trained certainot May 2012 #38
Dems need to make an ad on this and run it in the wingnut states and local areas. nanabugg May 2012 #39
Maybe they should start reading the DemocraticUnderground Samantha May 2012 #40
The media can be forced to report on protect our future May 2012 #42
The GOP is mostly to blame but they get help from the media too n/t LiberalFighter May 2012 #44

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,452 posts)
1. Apparently
Sat May 19, 2012, 09:20 AM
May 2012

they "can't handle the truth!"


Obviously, the truth isn't very profitable in journalism nowadays.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,452 posts)
4. They will publish anything
Sat May 19, 2012, 09:31 AM
May 2012

and people will believe anything, usually even if it gets disproved later. For instance, I think that yesterday there was a story about Elizabeth Warren plagiarizing but then having to retract it. I would not be surprised at all if the right-wing keeps flogging the story and people keep believing it. *ugh*

eggplant

(3,919 posts)
26. I believe the enquirer has higher standards these days....
Sat May 19, 2012, 06:35 PM
May 2012

...simply because they actually HAVE standards.

lpbk2713

(42,772 posts)
3. And BushCo usually gets a free pass for driving the country into the ditch.
Sat May 19, 2012, 09:28 AM
May 2012



But, as they see it, it's Obama's fault for not getting us out of said ditch before now.


Proud Liberal Dem

(24,452 posts)
5. +1
Sat May 19, 2012, 09:32 AM
May 2012

The Republicans get more airtime complaining about Obama (rightly) blaming Bush than Obama gets trying to explain his solutions to fix Bush's mess.

zbdent

(35,392 posts)
11. WhoCo?
Sat May 19, 2012, 11:04 AM
May 2012

I don't remember the name of the guy before Obama. If you listen to repugs, it was probably Clinton ... they never say who it was ...

emulatorloo

(44,267 posts)
12. Republicans block everything and say "See Obama did Nothing"
Sat May 19, 2012, 11:12 AM
May 2012

And media reports what they say as if it is the gospel truth

In spite of that Obama got a fair amount accomplished. But media pretends he didn't.

spanone

(135,921 posts)
6. the original WaPo op-ed...Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
Sat May 19, 2012, 09:55 AM
May 2012

Rep. Allen West, a Florida Republican, was recently captured on video asserting that there are “78 to 81” Democrats in Congress who are members of the Communist Party. Of course, it’s not unusual for some renegade lawmaker from either side of the aisle to say something outrageous. What made West’s comment — right out of the McCarthyite playbook of the 1950s — so striking was the almost complete lack of condemnation from Republican congressional leaders or other major party figures, including the remaining presidential candidates.

It’s not that the GOP leadership agrees with West; it is that such extreme remarks and views are now taken for granted.

We have been studying Washington politics and Congress for more than 40 years, and never have we seen them this dysfunctional. In our past writings, we have criticized both parties when we believed it was warranted. Today, however, we have no choice but to acknowledge that the core of the problem lies with the Republican Party.

The GOP has become an insurgent outlier in American politics. It is ideologically extreme; scornful of compromise; unmoved by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/lets-just-say-it-the-republicans-are-the-problem/2012/04/27/gIQAxCVUlT_print.html

JHB

(37,164 posts)
7. Actually, they're not anymore "expert" than anyone else who's been noting this for years...
Sat May 19, 2012, 10:11 AM
May 2012

...they're just the the "most-Washington-insider" people to do so, and even they get conveniently forgotten.

spanone

(135,921 posts)
8. A topic no Sunday show will tackle
Sat May 19, 2012, 10:21 AM
May 2012

Last month, Thomas Mann and Norman Ornstein wrote a piece for The Washington Post’s Outlook section that dared to suggest the unthinkable: Both parties aren’t equally to blame for what ails Washington.

They argued, and expounded on this point in their book, that the Republican Party — by allowing extremists to roam free and by wielding the filibuster to achieve government dysfunction as a political end in itself — were demonstrably more culpable than the Democrats for creating what is approaching a crisis of governance.

The op-ed has been a viral sensation online for weeks, yet neither man has been invited on to the Sunday TV talk shows to discuss this thesis. As some observers have noted, these are among the most quoted people in Washington — yet this topic is suddenly too hot for these Washington-centric shows, or it has been deemed not relevant at all.

Ornstein confirmed that the book’s publisher has tried to get the authors on the Sunday shows, with no success.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/54135968-82/ornstein-sunday-shows-topic.html.csp

DFW

(54,488 posts)
9. Norm Ornstein is known as "Washington's most quoted pundit."
Sat May 19, 2012, 10:54 AM
May 2012

With good reason, too. He's one of the most intelligent, engaging speakers and insightful
commentators out there: I don't know Mann, but I've known Norm for years, and ignoring
him on a subject he knows more about than almost anybody means to me that there are
a LOT of folks out there that are terrified of what he has to say.

Demoiselle

(6,787 posts)
13. I've always thought that Mr. Ornstein is (comparatively) conservative, too.
Sat May 19, 2012, 11:33 AM
May 2012

The American Enterprise Institute is hardly a nest of Bolsheviks. I'm so glad he and Mr. Mann put this out there. God Bless smart people.

DFW

(54,488 posts)
21. Norm has always been a very centrist, fiercely pragmatic type
Sat May 19, 2012, 01:32 PM
May 2012

He was always always the token sane person at AEI.

lpbk2713

(42,772 posts)
16. How's Helen these days?
Sat May 19, 2012, 12:02 PM
May 2012


Well, I hope. I don't hear much about her now that she is in her well deserved retirement.

Her absence from the press corps is conspicuous.


DFW

(54,488 posts)
20. I plan to have dinner with her Monday night. I'll let you know! n/t
Sat May 19, 2012, 01:31 PM
May 2012

I'm in Washington for my nephew's college graduation. It has already been interesting
as some of the whackos have already been whining about their commencement speaker,
who was HHS Secretary Kathleen Sibelius.

DFW

(54,488 posts)
34. Will do!
Sat May 19, 2012, 11:00 PM
May 2012

And I talked to her this afternoon. It's confirmed for Monday night. She makes the reservations,
and we pick her up and take her home--no big detour, as she lives right down the same street
less than 5 minutes from the restaurant.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
17. DUH
Sat May 19, 2012, 12:15 PM
May 2012

corporate media.....................

Where have all the journalist gone? There are only a handful, and I'll say - night - time MSNBC and CURRENT

CBHagman

(16,992 posts)
43. "The NewsHour" on PBS featured them as part of a weeknight broadcast.
Sun May 20, 2012, 11:31 PM
May 2012


Why am I not surprised comments have been disabled for the video? Sigh.

Notice too that Judy Woodruff has to get in the apparently mandatory "But the Democrats are at fault too" dig, which one sees at The Washington Post. (And yes, Dana Milbank, I mean you.)

Anyway, The WaPo Outlook section featured a follow-up on what Ornstein and Mann believe would help improve things...and what they believe would not work.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/want-to-end-partisan-politics-heres-what-wont-work--and-what-will/2012/05/17/gIQA5jqcWU_story.html

Response to spanone (Original post)

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
22. M$M = GOP
Sat May 19, 2012, 01:36 PM
May 2012

THE REASON we are in such deep shit right now. THE REASON I refuse to watch any M$M channel or support any rag like the NYTs or Newsweek. Crappy propaganda that is hurtful to the country.

 

fascisthunter

(29,381 posts)
28. Thats because the 1% have control over the private media
Sat May 19, 2012, 09:22 PM
May 2012

Too bad the media doesn't honestly tell their audience what they are doing... then we could have a true democracy, one which a public was informed, rather than purposely misled by a media contracted by the 1%.

gulliver

(13,200 posts)
29. Sales department directive
Sat May 19, 2012, 09:29 PM
May 2012

This year is going to completely blow away the record for media ad sales. For one thing the media don't want to offend their biggest SuperPAC customers, the Republicans. But on the other hand, the media don't want to give away free exposure to ideas (true or not) that the Dems would otherwise have to pay for.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
31. Well... Let's Just Say...
Sat May 19, 2012, 09:56 PM
May 2012


Blond Treehorn Thug: Where's the money, Lebowski? Where's the fucking money, shithead?

The Dude: It's uh... uh... it's down there somewhere, let me take another look.


Link: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118715/quotes



maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
32. GOP GRIDLOCK
Sat May 19, 2012, 10:56 PM
May 2012

Mich McConnell frankly stated that the Republican goal was to make President Obama a one term president. His party has consistently been refusing to act on necessary legislation and blocking legislation they formerly proposed. How much more obvious does it have to get? In some 55 years of following politics, I've never seen anything like it. Is this the influence of Grover Norquist, a man who's never been elected to any office, but has vowed to turn this government into a one party system? How crazy (and actually treasonous) is that? Has nobody considered seriously prosecuting this poisonous toad? Damn right our media is just ignoring the situation.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
41. But then again, the media just has to do hit pieces on OWS......
Sun May 20, 2012, 05:29 AM
May 2012

....by claiming that they're 'secret Nazis' or whatever, or whining about Obama......right?

Truth is, that's how they think these days.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
33. Everything on the MSM should be assumed to be propaganda...
Sat May 19, 2012, 10:59 PM
May 2012

...unless proven otherwise by other sources.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
35. Very odd, that
Sat May 19, 2012, 11:38 PM
May 2012

After all, the popular shows just love, love, love showing contrarian and unexpected guests. The Black spokesperson talking up the Republicans or the conservative woman arguing against pay equity. Whoo-eee! It's Unexpected City! Watching the talking chuckleheads, you'd think every last Black man and white woman in the United States was a wealthy conservative.

But here comes a couple of guys with the contrarian view that "both sides don't do it." Crickets.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
36. Doh! I don't call it the GOP owned media for nothing. Look at their biggest pundits!
Sun May 20, 2012, 12:31 AM
May 2012

The one who owns the newsstand controls what's sold.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
38. they are afraid of limbaugh and sons on 1000 radio stations and have been well trained
Sun May 20, 2012, 02:51 AM
May 2012

to fear the thousands of dittohead/teabaggers that can be diddled into a lather on a moments notice by the think tank ops that analyze the news and feed the blowhards that reach 50 mil a week.

 

nanabugg

(2,198 posts)
39. Dems need to make an ad on this and run it in the wingnut states and local areas.
Sun May 20, 2012, 03:17 AM
May 2012

"Why haven't you heard about opinions of the once GOP touted experts?" "Is it because they say...."
Something similar. Folks get paid a lot of money to come up with great ads so I am sure there is something that can be used with this information.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
40. Maybe they should start reading the DemocraticUnderground
Sun May 20, 2012, 04:47 AM
May 2012
Posted in April 2011:

Shut down the government -- shut down Obama re-election chances
Posted by Samantha in General Discussion: Presidency
Fri Apr 08th 2011, 01:21 AM
Why do people seem to think this whole shut-down-the-government threat is truly about deficit spending, Planned Parenthood or abortion? President Obama himself said an extended government shutdown can impair our delicate economic recovery. Isn't that truly the Republicans' goal? Let us refresh for a moment. What did Mitch McConnell say was the number one goal for the Republicans? Ah, yes, make Obama a one-term President.

And that I believe is our clue as to what this current controversy is truly about. If there is one thing we learned from eight years of George W. Bush*, Republicans do not truly care about deficits. Remember Cheney's famous "deficits don't matter" comment? Deficits don't matter to Republicans. Elections matter because that is where all of the power and control (read "money&quot rests.

This shutdown is not about any of the reasons commentators report. It is about the Republicans' Number One Priority. Impede the recovery, further impair the economy, take out Obama in 2012. That is it in a political nutshell.

Tell me I am mistaken.

Sam

protect our future

(1,156 posts)
42. The media can be forced to report on
Sun May 20, 2012, 09:24 AM
May 2012

important issues if enough people raise a stink so big and so far-reaching that they have to. Never underestimate the power of the Internet.

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