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"Why do Republicans ALWAYS have money for war - BUT - not for those in need?" (Original Post) kpete Aug 2015 OP
The Reich Wing profits from war and sees Social Security recipients as takers. kairos12 Aug 2015 #1
Even though working people are the ones who fund Social Security. Octafish Aug 2015 #4
Because that'e what they are Hydra Aug 2015 #2
War is good for business, and thus, good for those who support the GOP. Hamlette Aug 2015 #10
As the Song Says RancidCrabtree Aug 2015 #26
K&R nt raccoon Aug 2015 #3
K&R smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #5
I didn't think I would ever say this but, I have to disagree with you Bernie. A Simple Game Aug 2015 #6
Uhhh... SoapBox Aug 2015 #7
I know what he was saying, I was taking a swat at the Republicans not Bernie. n/t A Simple Game Aug 2015 #12
Any program that helps the poor is something they say has to pay for itself.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #20
Watch your tongue! That's not "our" oil, that's the oil companies oil. A Simple Game Aug 2015 #22
Pundits claim guys like Wolfowitz were speaking to "the American People" in those hearings.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #24
Mega Profit In War And Destruction - Minimial Profit In Welfare - Besides - Blowing Stuff Up Is Fun cantbeserious Aug 2015 #8
Wall St. loves war. Big money! jalan48 Aug 2015 #9
But we didn't have the money for two wars and tax cuts... KansDem Aug 2015 #11
They want to force a crisis, blame it on the Dems or some alfredo Aug 2015 #21
I've learned that whenever a Republican says that "we don't have money for (fill in the blank)" Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2015 #13
power Locrian Aug 2015 #14
They are not the only ones voting for appropreations to fund the war machine. L0oniX Aug 2015 #15
I remember a Bush supporter on the eve of the invasion of Iraq predicting gas would be 50¢ a gallon. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #16
Because they take it. nt valerief Aug 2015 #17
Money is not the issue, the issue is republican lust for war.... Augiedog Aug 2015 #18
The poor can't afford sufficient bribes. alfredo Aug 2015 #19
ecause the poor don't "deserve" money but anyone who has an oil field we want "deserves" to die Takket Aug 2015 #23
In a word: because they're sociopaths. forest444 Aug 2015 #25
they see the already-wealthy as the rightful owners of all money: in the 60s and 70s MisterP Aug 2015 #28
Thank you for your research talents, Mister P. forest444 Aug 2015 #31
no, under feudalism they had holidays, vast commons, and numerous courts to fight the landlord in MisterP Aug 2015 #32
Today's GOP certainly does sound like Latin American fascists. forest444 Aug 2015 #33
the parties are even run the same: they both serve business, outside observers can't tell the MisterP Aug 2015 #34
Politics. forest444 Aug 2015 #35
They are obsessed with domination treestar Aug 2015 #27
Cause all of those missiles , guns, etc compensates for something else with some politicians SummerSnow Aug 2015 #29
Republicans do an amazing job of never uttering these contradictory views in the same breath. reformist2 Aug 2015 #30
the money for war goes into their pockets Skittles Aug 2015 #36

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
4. Even though working people are the ones who fund Social Security.
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:06 PM
Aug 2015

"Entitlement" became the perfect term to confuse the issue.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
2. Because that'e what they are
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 11:59 AM
Aug 2015

They deal in death and suffering, and reap gold out of it. The mistake most people make is thinking they only do it to brown people.

They do it to everyone. Even each other.

Hamlette

(15,412 posts)
10. War is good for business, and thus, good for those who support the GOP.
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:33 PM
Aug 2015

It's a chicken and the egg question. Do they start wars so they don't have enough money to pay for our safety net?

Fear is a great motivator. Get the country so afraid they don't ask any questions while you funnel all the money to your friends. When the bill comes, cut out all those "give away" programs that go to the poor. Remember, the GOP referred to FDR as "that man in the white house" they hated him so much they would not say his name. And they fought tooth and nail to prevent Social Security becoming law. They hate the thought of any of "their" money going to the poor. They don't care if they help finance other rich people. Even the middle class don't mind paying to make the rich richer because they think they too will someday be rich and reap the rewards. Magical thinking.

Think WWII. It was only our entry into the war that finally ended the depression. We had to get money into the economy and wars do that. And theft was so rampant by the companies that build war stuff for us Truman set up a commission to find them and punish them (mostly through no more contracts). I wish to god we would have had a like commission for the last three big wars we've fought (Vietnam included). The rip off of the government in Iraq alone is staggering and we probably on see a bit of it.

Ask yourself how much money Haliburton made off of Cheney's wars. It is permission to steal from the government. I had a tea party boss who wanted to "help"employers by paying them to hire the unemployed. It was the most fraud filled program we have ever done. Employers completely ripped us off. The tea party boss could not believe than any employer would be dishonest. She truly believed the only dishonest thieves were the poor people we serve. She actually said: "Why would the employers try to "steal from us". And she was a smart lady, but such an ideologue she would not see any facts that did not fit her agenda: give to the rich, hold the poor "accountable" for their bad decisions. But no reason to hold employers accountable because they are good, honest, hard working (nee republican) people and do no wrong.


 

RancidCrabtree

(24 posts)
26. As the Song Says
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:48 PM
Aug 2015

"Cold and misty morning,
I heard a warning borne in the air.
About an age of power
where no one had an hour to spare.
Where the seeds have withered
silent children shivered in the cold.
Now their faces captured in the lenses of the jackals for gold."

Karn Evil 9 1st Impression, Part 1

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
6. I didn't think I would ever say this but, I have to disagree with you Bernie.
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:15 PM
Aug 2015

Most of the saying is true but I take exception to one part. The Republicans never have money for wars, they steal it from the hungry, the weak, the poor, the middle class, anyone and everyone without the power to fight back, and of course they steal it from the future.

If they did have the money for wars they still wouldn't use their own money, even they don't love wars that much.

I won't go into the human costs they don't mind spending as long as it isn't theirs.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
7. Uhhh...
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:18 PM
Aug 2015

Puke War Mongers will find "money"...that's the point...he doesn't mean they are paying out of their personal wallets.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
20. Any program that helps the poor is something they say has to pay for itself....
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:12 PM
Aug 2015

The Neocons dangled oil money in front of their own caucus and made the claim that an invasion of Iraq would not only pay for itself but would make a profit.

The mass murdering for money part wasn't even a consideration with the Republicans. We were on a noble mission to free our oil from under their sand.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
22. Watch your tongue! That's not "our" oil, that's the oil companies oil.
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:22 PM
Aug 2015

Just kidding, well not completely, but you're right and I remember them saying the war would pay for itself.

Now, we don't want to get into a discussion about their trying to outdo each other on how short the war would be and what color flowers they would shower our troops with. Or do we?

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
24. Pundits claim guys like Wolfowitz were speaking to "the American People" in those hearings....
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:27 PM
Aug 2015

He wasn't. He also wasn't talking to the Democrats.

He was selling the Neocon's war to the Republicans.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
11. But we didn't have the money for two wars and tax cuts...
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:35 PM
Aug 2015

As Sen. Sanders observes correctly, all that geld was added to the national debt. But that's okay for the Richie Riches of the world. Now they want to cut Social Security and Medicare because "we don't have the money"

I don't understand it myself, but then, I didn't understand the bank bailouts either...

alfredo

(60,082 posts)
21. They want to force a crisis, blame it on the Dems or some
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:14 PM
Aug 2015

hated minority, then impose their "fix."

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,454 posts)
13. I've learned that whenever a Republican says that "we don't have money for (fill in the blank)"
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:00 PM
Aug 2015

what they're REALLY saying is "we don't want spend money on (fill in the blank)."

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
16. I remember a Bush supporter on the eve of the invasion of Iraq predicting gas would be 50¢ a gallon.
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:04 PM
Aug 2015

Augiedog

(2,549 posts)
18. Money is not the issue, the issue is republican lust for war....
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:06 PM
Aug 2015

More than any other factor war and the attendant ideological idiosyncrasies accompanying war define the Republican Party. It is the party of death. War by its very nature allows the republicans to delude a significant segment of the populace into following them through the ruse of false patriotism. Through the fog of war the republicans benefactors rob the nation blind and steal the lives of its citizens in useless conflicts. As long as public servants like dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld and George bush walk the streets of America as free and respected men we will be lost as nation our founders would have been proud to claim membership to.

forest444

(5,902 posts)
25. In a word: because they're sociopaths.
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:33 PM
Aug 2015

What infuriates them is seeing compassion and good will.

This is usually because they were given just the opposite as children, which is also why they encourage brutality in parenting. There are, of course, many exceptions; but this is the overarching motivation for today's Republicans as a whole. Dangerous, and above all, sad.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
28. they see the already-wealthy as the rightful owners of all money: in the 60s and 70s
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:59 PM
Aug 2015

there was a danger that the people might be able to keep some of the money they created
Stockman openly admitted trickle-down had nothing to do with improving the economy, it was just to enrich the already-rich (who happened to have propelled Reagan into office)
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1981/12/the-education-of-david-stockman/305760/

Reagan's "Sagebrush Revolution" was a think tank-concocted astroturf campaign pimped by the Hunt family (the original Ewings) and he literally said the richer you were the more votes you should get
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/11/rich-people-more-votes-hunt-alpaca
http://www.texasreader.com/the-billionaire-s-weird-utopia.html
http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/stories/2000/09/25/editorial3.html

forest444

(5,902 posts)
31. Thank you for your research talents, Mister P.
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 03:46 PM
Aug 2015

And what a history! This post is definitely a bookmark.

Their goals look just like feudalism - and as we all know, many of their intended victims are cheering them on!

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
32. no, under feudalism they had holidays, vast commons, and numerous courts to fight the landlord in
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 03:51 PM
Aug 2015

(though generally that meant getting under a new landlord)

it's closer to indentureship (or maybe Latin American peonage)

forest444

(5,902 posts)
33. Today's GOP certainly does sound like Latin American fascists.
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 04:00 PM
Aug 2015

*Race-baiting and snob appeal - check.
*Furious opposition to labor rights - check.
*Religious fundamentalism and need to shackle women - check.
*Support for deregulated banking and money laundering - check.
*Using the drug problem (whose kingpins they often aid and abet) as a pretext for a Dirty War - check.
*Intimidating certain voting blocks (usually dark-skinned) and even calling for coups to invalidate election results - check.


MisterP

(23,730 posts)
34. the parties are even run the same: they both serve business, outside observers can't tell the
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 04:22 PM
Aug 2015

difference between most of their candidates, they make big empty promises, they rant and scream about the other party but forge a strict clientelistic duopoly, their campaigning is mostly on things 80 or 40 years old, and their "rallies" are the leaders of yellow unions pulling up in Beemers and SUVs to "protest"; people vote because they get a little beef and a cup of guaro and then go and choose the party that their ancestors voted for since the 1880s

no wonder Clinton backed the Honduran coup--the non-LIBRE parties are a great petri dish

treestar

(82,383 posts)
27. They are obsessed with domination
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:53 PM
Aug 2015

And want control over the rest of the world. As far as they are concerned, the poor should join the military.

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)
29. Cause all of those missiles , guns, etc compensates for something else with some politicians
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 02:48 PM
Aug 2015

They also think they are G.I. Joe

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
30. Republicans do an amazing job of never uttering these contradictory views in the same breath.
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 02:52 PM
Aug 2015

I'm glad Bernie is pointing out this glaring and disgraceful hypocrisy.
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