Meanwhile the "sane" GOP candidates Carly Fiorina hate on women too.

[Johonny]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/09/politics/carly-fiorina-paid-maternity-leave/

"I'm not saying I oppose paid maternity leave. What I'm saying is I oppose the federal government mandating paid maternity leave to every company out there," Fiorina. "I don't think it's the role of government to dictate to the private sector how to manage their businesses, especially when it's pretty clear that the private sector, like Netflix, like the example that you just gave, is doing the right thing because they know it helps them attract the right talent," Fiorina said.

The government isn't stepping into business decisions, it is stepping into life decisions and events of American citizens. Unless Fiorina thinks Netflix main business is the impregnation of women that work there? Mandating maternity leave isn't punishing businesses for doing the wrong thing, it is creating a society that does the right moral thing that her party always claims they want-to value the lives of women and children. This isn't about business, this is about our society which is why the government we elect should set up a maternity leave system that works for its citizens and protects their jobs while undergoing one of the fundamental moments in life. What is Carly planning? Apparently to wait it out and see if the good companies do it if it is the right thing to do for them. To follow her lack of logic on this: If this was 1850 she'd be running on praising a few companies that don't use slave labor, and arguing on waiting out the slavery issue as a while and seeing if ending it works for every business situation. Classy. All part of her new wave feminism.

You know what most progressive societies are doing: including maternity leave as a part of their health care system. Fiorina on single payer health care:


We're dumping more and more people into Medicaid. Medicaid is a program that fewer and fewer doctors will accept patients from. That isn't helping anyone with cancer, I can assure you.

Nice. The old tired lives on medicare. Yes, medicare isn't helping anyone that goes to her yacht club so it doesn't work. Slowly they learn that Donald just says what the other candidates think, but all the GOP candidates hate women in their own special ways.

[Xipe Totec]

1. In a perverse way, I agree with Carly Fiorina

I think the health care system should be totally disassociated from corporations.

We need a national, single payer, health care system, where we are not dependent on the good will of for-profit corporations for our well being. It's not their purpose. Companies are there to turn a profit. Let them. It's our job to determine what corporations deserve to be chartered for the good of the public. Those that do not serve the public good can be denied charters of incorporation.

The federal government should be the one to pay for maternity leaves because it is in the best interest of US as a society, to raise healthy well integrated individuals. It is up to us as a country to ensure the health and well being of future generations of Americans.

Let us not put our health, well being, and future in the hands of greedy for-profit corporations. Let us divorce ourselves from that dependency. So that people when they get sick, continue to be covered by health care. So that mothers who are raising the next generation of Americans, the ones who will look after us when we are old, can do so safely and securely, knowing we are forming a bond, from generation to generation, to take care and protect each other. Because that is the sole purpose of the union we have formed. If not, why did we write this as the preamble to our constitution:

"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

[Johonny]

4. This is not what she thinks

She thinks medicare is a failure. She thinks Obamacare is a failure. So government single payer (which I agree in as says my original post) is a bust according to her. But so isn't the current corporate, insurance federal mandate system. At this point one might conclude Carly's option is a health care system that has no regulation, no government mandate, and no single payer. She wants a totally market based system like say 1850s. Read what she says. Obamacare isn't perfect so we throw it out, medicare isn't perfect so we throw it out... what's left but nothing. That's her plan-nothing. If it fits your business model then hey your employer might help you out, but if it don't your on your own. Deep thinking there.

I agree with you when you think of health care like maternity leave as a social issue that need government involvement and programs her thoughts of it as a business burden seem sick. We'd be better off transitioning to a single payer system, but in know way does she agree with us on this. Just read her thoughts on that and it is very clear.

[spanone]

2. they are only sane when compared to trump

[politicaljunkie41910]

3. Not a fan of Carly Fiorina.

As a woman and a "Political Junkie" I have been following politics since I was on the debate team in junior high school. I have been following the 2016 republican candidates and saw both debates. I had seen Carly in several interviews prior to the debate. Admittedly, her fast speech and what has always seemed like she has a chip on her shoulder during interviews, has always annoyed me, but I listen to her when she's on a program, nonetheless. In each case, she has always had a stump speech about why she had been fired from HP, beginning with a whole host of achievements during her time at HP and always ending up with her attributing her being fired as "when you question the status quo you make enemies" and attributing her firing as a boardroom politics.

So she was on Morning Joe last week, (not the interview after the debate) and she was asked about her firing from HP and she led in with her canned speech. So when she concluded once again that she was fired for threatening the status quo and boardroom politics and has never tried to hide the fact that she was fired, Joe S. chimes in with, "So What! Steve Jobs was fired. So was Oprah Winfrey and he listed several others."

So this morning, I'm watching the Sunday Talks shows, (I tape each one, by the way) I watched Carly on three of them and when asked about the HP firing she went into her usual stump speech. But this time, when she concluded with, "...she was fired", she stated to Chris Wallace that "but so was Steve Jobs, Oprah Winfrey, Walt Disney and Mike Bloomberg, so I'm in good company." She repeated it on each of the shows. My immediate thought was, "Carly, you are no Steve Jobs".