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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBannon compares himself to Thomas Cromwell, King Henry VIII advisor
If you've watched the Tudors Cromwell lost his head.
raging moderate
(4,313 posts)As I recall, that did not end well either.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)nikibatts
(2,198 posts)Or how about Caligula?
Vinca
(50,320 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,867 posts)so lucky.
nycbos
(6,039 posts)For
Here is what Henry VIII was like according to The Simpsons
oasis
(49,433 posts)to add 3 more wives to his ledger. Henry and Donald are both overweight, over bearing, puss filled, narcissistic assholes.
meow2u3
(24,774 posts)You mean to tell me they're all stuffed with kitties?
Sorry, couldn't resist.
oasis
(49,433 posts)I can imagine his last couple of wives gagging from the stench.
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)religious fervor as much as achieving power/wealth/favor w/Henry.
An absolute terrorist to many and helped usher in a horrible period for people of the countryside.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)oppose Spain and it's Inquisition and dominance over Europe.
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)Wasn't that when church and state literally became one? Supreme Head of the Church/King And didn't it actually leave England very along and vulnerable for a time?
While the Inquisition didn't gain the foothold in England that it did elsewhere there was plenty of zealotry in different stripes in coming centuries.
I am in full agreement that Rome's monopoly being broken was a good thing. I just wish the "enlightenment" really had been just that. I contend though that Cromwell was a slimy one who didn't subscribe much to honorable motives. A peer of Machiavelli would be a more apt description.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Even though she fought and won against Catholic plots she managed to be relatively tolerant (for the time period).
And yes, England continued with back/forth between Catholic and Protestant but...
The Reformation paved the way for the Enlightenment.
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)I think it is clear the enlightenment
Has yet to occur.
Cheers.
lapislzi
(5,762 posts)The Cleves marriage was a tactical blunder. Cromwell got full of himself and forgot who his boss was, what his boss was capable of, and what his boss was actually saying to him at the time ("no Cleves marriage." There was little tactical advantage to the Cleves marriage except some minor leverage against Spain/Holy Roman Empire in the Low Countries, which could have been accomplished by other means.
Anne of Cleves was a pawn deployed too soon and for the wrong reasons. Fortunately for her, she managed to escape with her life. Cromwell wasn't so fortunate, to his own ruin, and to the ruin of many who came after.
MineralMan
(146,339 posts)I do not like that nasty man.
I do not like him, Sam I am.
I do not like him in the lead.
I do not like him on my feed.
I do not like Steve Bannon, man.
I do not like him, Sam I am.
Initech
(100,114 posts)And we all know what happens to tyrants like Trump and Bannon.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)dalton99a
(81,656 posts)invented much later of course
Historic NY
(37,457 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)and redistributed their property to the magnates to keep them quiet.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)btw, the NYTimes did not publish my comment under their "President Bannon" editorial.
I said Bannon is largely following Vladislav Sarkov's methodology. Create chaos and political theater to break down reality and the opposition's resistance. It's a method to maintain control using less violence.
dalton99a
(81,656 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)dembotoz
(16,864 posts)dembotoz
(16,864 posts)at his feet over this one....
malchickiwick
(1,474 posts)While he was indeed duplicitous and devious, Cromwell was a brilliant man, spoke multiple languages, stayed up on the latest knowledge emerging from the continent during a period we now call the Renaissance, and deeply understood what was happening in the world. Bannon is just a dumber, uglier, and less-hygienic version of pepe the frog.
BTW: I absolutely LOVE the Hillary Mantel series told from Cromwell's perspective: Wolf Hall and Bring Up the Bodies, with book three set to drop this year. HIGHLY recommended.
Ilsa
(61,709 posts)some of the most reviled leaders ever.
Botany
(70,621 posts)Can we just skip to the end now?
I'll bring the straw.
longship
(40,416 posts)From Wiki:
Cromwell was condemned to death without trial and beheaded on Tower Hill on 28 July 1540, the day of the King's marriage to Catherine Howard. After the killing, his head was set on a spike on London Bridge.
lapislzi
(5,762 posts)It ended badly for him, as well it should have.
Cromwell lost his head because he overreached with the Cleves marriage. It was a blunder that cost him his life.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,924 posts)so he can divorce Melanoma without paying alimony? And require everyone to swear an oath to the new religion? As noted above, it didn't work out well for Cromwell, and Henry, after going through several more wives, ended up a fat, bloated, diseased mess. The last wife outlived him.
delisen
(6,046 posts)We are in an Interregnum. A pause and interruption between the last Democratic Republic and the next Democratic Republic.
Cromwell's regime was the interruption in the monarchy.
avebury
(10,953 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)So his understanding of history is a warped, perverted one. Great. Just what we need.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)Not sure this is someone to be emulated. Well, not by a decent person at least.