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JI7

(89,281 posts)
1. it's all bs. make it seem like putin is giving up something
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 05:24 PM
Feb 2017

to justfy all the shit trump will give to him.

brush

(53,925 posts)
3. Not sure what to make of it. Hope it doesn't get all the Snowden wishippers all revved up...
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 05:45 PM
Feb 2017

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as the latest revelations have shown that he was turned way before he fled.

Kahuna7

(2,531 posts)
5. Bingo. If the lefties are seen as supporting snowden in the
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 06:16 PM
Feb 2017

same proportion of other protests, it will dilute the leftist cause with a lot of Americans. That would be a "gift" for trump. Putin is clever enough to know this.

PufPuf23

(8,843 posts)
7. If Russia takes Snowden into custody and returns Snowden
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 07:09 PM
Feb 2017

to USA authorities, Snowden would be in a bad situation given Trump and company and the hostility against Snowden held by many Americans.

Any subsequent harsh treatment of Snowden by the USA would likely cause much negative opinion of the USA internationally.

Trump et al would consider the return of Snowden during their watch as a win and would likely deal with Snowden harshly.

Russia regards Snowden is in a no lose situation while then USA is in a no win situation.

Personally, I think Snowden is a brave whistle blower and should be allowed to change name and identity and disappear off into a private life.

brush

(53,925 posts)
8. You should do further research. The latest has revealed that Snowden is nothing more than a ...
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 07:31 PM
Feb 2017

low-level IT thief who was turned before he fled with the stolen files.

He's a useful tool and is about to be used again. Why do you think Putin put him up all these years?

Here's a link to the entire following article:

http://www.theweeklings.com/golear/2017/01/24/dah-donald-russian-blood-money-and-the-fbis-case-against-trump/

Chapter 1: Edward Snowden’s Great Escape, or, Isn’t it Fishy That He Wound Up in Russia?

In 2011, Edward Snowden, who’d resigned from the Central Intelligence Agency two years earlier, began working on Dell Computer’s CIA account, where he liaised closely with chiefs of the Agency’s technical branches. Exactly when Snowden was recruited by one of the Russian moles at the National Security Agency is unclear, but by April of 2012, he was already illegally downloading classified files. The following year, he took a job with the government contractor Booz Allen, with the explicit goal of obtaining top-secret documents from NSA’s facility in Hawaii.1

While Snowden was busy committing acts of espionage—we can call him a whistleblower if we like, but what he did is, strictly speaking, espionage—Julian Assange, of Wikileaks fame, was interviewing the president of Ecuador, Rafael Correa, for RT, the Russian-state-owned channel. (Even then, Assange was cozy with Putin). Assange and Correa apparently hit it off, so much so that when the former applied to Ecuador for political asylum a month later, the request was granted. Assange took to the Ecuadorian embassy in London on June 19, 2012, and has lived there ever since.

On April 4, 2013, a month after Snowden began his job at Booz Allen, Colonel Alexander Kazalupov, the Cuba bureau chief of the FSB (Russian intelligence), flew to Quito to meet with agents of SENAIN, the Ecuadorian intelligence agency. While there is no transcript of the proceedings, the purpose of the meeting was clearly to discuss Snowden. 2 The very next day, Snowden wrote his lone email to the legal team at the NSA, asking about Executive Orders. It was during the month of April, by Snowden’s own admission, that he purloined the tranche of highly classified documents that would make up the bulk of what would later go to Wikileaks.

chimpymustgo

(12,774 posts)
9. Snowden is a brave whistleblower. Disturbing to watch Joy and guests laugh at him and
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 07:37 PM
Feb 2017

essentially call him a Russian asset. Sigh. So much going on. A flurry of lies and hidden agendas.

Who do you trust?

PufPuf23

(8,843 posts)
10. I agree with you and sorry that we are probably a minority at DU.
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 07:41 PM
Feb 2017

I find it hard to trust politicians and media and frankly most people now.

Very fatiguing.

brush

(53,925 posts)
14. A different perspective on Snowden
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 11:17 PM
Feb 2017
http://www.theweeklings.com/golear/2017/01/24/dah-donald-russian-blood-money-and-the-fbis-case-against-trump/

Chapter 1: Edward Snowden’s Great Escape, or, Isn’t it Fishy That He Wound Up in Russia?

In 2011, Edward Snowden, who’d resigned from the Central Intelligence Agency two years earlier, began working on Dell Computer’s CIA account, where he liaised closely with chiefs of the Agency’s technical branches. Exactly when Snowden was recruited by one of the Russian moles at the National Security Agency is unclear, but by April of 2012, he was already illegally downloading classified files. The following year, he took a job with the government contractor Booz Allen, with the explicit goal of obtaining top-secret documents from NSA’s facility in Hawaii.1

While Snowden was busy committing acts of espionage—we can call him a whistleblower if we like, but what he did is, strictly speaking, espionage—Julian Assange, of Wikileaks fame, was interviewing the president of Ecuador, Rafael Correa, for RT, the Russian-state-owned channel. (Even then, Assange was cozy with Putin). Assange and Correa apparently hit it off, so much so that when the former applied to Ecuador for political asylum a month later, the request was granted. Assange took to the Ecuadorian embassy in London on June 19, 2012, and has lived there ever since.

On April 4, 2013, a month after Snowden began his job at Booz Allen, Colonel Alexander Kazalupov, the Cuba bureau chief of the FSB (Russian intelligence), flew to Quito to meet with agents of SENAIN, the Ecuadorian intelligence agency. While there is no transcript of the proceedings, the purpose of the meeting was clearly to discuss Snowden. 2 The very next day, Snowden wrote his lone email to the legal team at the NSA, asking about Executive Orders. It was during the month of April, by Snowden’s own admission, that he purloined the tranche of highly classified documents that would make up the bulk of what would later go to Wikileaks.

brush

(53,925 posts)
15. You might want to read this on Snowden
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 11:20 PM
Feb 2017
http://www.theweeklings.com/golear/2017/01/24/dah-donald-russian-blood-money-and-the-fbis-case-against-trump/

Chapter 1: Edward Snowden’s Great Escape, or, Isn’t it Fishy That He Wound Up in Russia?

In 2011, Edward Snowden, who’d resigned from the Central Intelligence Agency two years earlier, began working on Dell Computer’s CIA account, where he liaised closely with chiefs of the Agency’s technical branches. Exactly when Snowden was recruited by one of the Russian moles at the National Security Agency is unclear, but by April of 2012, he was already illegally downloading classified files. The following year, he took a job with the government contractor Booz Allen, with the explicit goal of obtaining top-secret documents from NSA’s facility in Hawaii.1

While Snowden was busy committing acts of espionage—we can call him a whistleblower if we like, but what he did is, strictly speaking, espionage—Julian Assange, of Wikileaks fame, was interviewing the president of Ecuador, Rafael Correa, for RT, the Russian-state-owned channel. (Even then, Assange was cozy with Putin). Assange and Correa apparently hit it off, so much so that when the former applied to Ecuador for political asylum a month later, the request was granted. Assange took to the Ecuadorian embassy in London on June 19, 2012, and has lived there ever since.

On April 4, 2013, a month after Snowden began his job at Booz Allen, Colonel Alexander Kazalupov, the Cuba bureau chief of the FSB (Russian intelligence), flew to Quito to meet with agents of SENAIN, the Ecuadorian intelligence agency. While there is no transcript of the proceedings, the purpose of the meeting was clearly to discuss Snowden. 2 The very next day, Snowden wrote his lone email to the legal team at the NSA, asking about Executive Orders. It was during the month of April, by Snowden’s own admission, that he purloined the tranche of highly classified documents that would make up the bulk of what would later go to Wikileaks.

brush

(53,925 posts)
13. Not so. Read this:
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 11:13 PM
Feb 2017
http://www.theweeklings.com/golear/2017/01/24/dah-donald-russian-blood-money-and-the-fbis-case-against-trump/

Chapter 1: Edward Snowden’s Great Escape, or, Isn’t it Fishy That He Wound Up in Russia?

In 2011, Edward Snowden, who’d resigned from the Central Intelligence Agency two years earlier, began working on Dell Computer’s CIA account, where he liaised closely with chiefs of the Agency’s technical branches. Exactly when Snowden was recruited by one of the Russian moles at the National Security Agency is unclear, but by April of 2012, he was already illegally downloading classified files. The following year, he took a job with the government contractor Booz Allen, with the explicit goal of obtaining top-secret documents from NSA’s facility in Hawaii.1

While Snowden was busy committing acts of espionage—we can call him a whistleblower if we like, but what he did is, strictly speaking, espionage—Julian Assange, of Wikileaks fame, was interviewing the president of Ecuador, Rafael Correa, for RT, the Russian-state-owned channel. (Even then, Assange was cozy with Putin). Assange and Correa apparently hit it off, so much so that when the former applied to Ecuador for political asylum a month later, the request was granted. Assange took to the Ecuadorian embassy in London on June 19, 2012, and has lived there ever since.

On April 4, 2013, a month after Snowden began his job at Booz Allen, Colonel Alexander Kazalupov, the Cuba bureau chief of the FSB (Russian intelligence), flew to Quito to meet with agents of SENAIN, the Ecuadorian intelligence agency. While there is no transcript of the proceedings, the purpose of the meeting was clearly to discuss Snowden. 2 The very next day, Snowden wrote his lone email to the legal team at the NSA, asking about Executive Orders. It was during the month of April, by Snowden’s own admission, that he purloined the tranche of highly classified documents that would make up the bulk of what would later go to Wikileaks.

chimpymustgo

(12,774 posts)
16. Okay - I read. Tantalizing suppositions - but no actual PROOF - especially against Snowden as
Sun Feb 12, 2017, 05:16 PM
Feb 2017

Russian asset prior to his downloading the files. If I missed it, please point it out.

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Exactly when Snowden was recruited by one of the Russian moles at the National Security Agency is unclear, but by April of 2012, he was already illegally downloading classified files. The following year, he took a job with the government contractor Booz Allen, with the explicit goal of obtaining top-secret documents from NSA’s facility in Hawaii.1
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I emphasized the "when" - as in, "when did you stop beating your wife?"
This is not correct about Wikileaks publishing the Snowden's stolen files:

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It was during the month of April, by Snowden’s own admission, that he purloined the tranche of highly classified documents that would make up the bulk of what would later go to Wikileaks.
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I had read the article he cites " Louise Mensch‘s eye-opening January 17 essay, “Dear Mr. Putin, Let’s Play Chess,”" which also puts the white hat on Comey's head. Would love to believe that Comey will come to the rescue (of USA!), but don't see it as likely. Too much money at stake - too many powerful people pulling the strings.

Your thoughts?

brush

(53,925 posts)
18. I'm keeping my fingers crossed on Comey. As for Snowden, I never bought his story. He could've ...
Sun Feb 12, 2017, 10:44 PM
Feb 2017

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contacted a Senator or Rep. here, or a progressive journalist here without fleeing the country. His story has been fishy from the jump?

And why didn't he stop at the domestic spying revelations instead of coughing up info on his own country's international, covert operations?

If he had stopped at the domestic revelations he would be, imo, a whistle blower and genuine hero. He didn't. He stole intel files and fled to a rival nation and we're supposed to take his word for his reason for doing it, allegedly alerting the American public on the privacy abuses of the NSA?

Then why the international, covert disclosures?

And you do know, right, that before Obama was president he was quoted as saying "whistle blowers should be shot in the balls".

He's just another one who had a problem with a black president.

TNNurse

(6,931 posts)
11. I do not pretend to know
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 07:48 PM
Feb 2017

the real motives of Snowden. He could be a Russian agent, he could be an actual whistleblower who was sincere. However, I do not trust Trump or Putin so I have to be suspicious.

There is so much false information around, I do not know how people are so damn sure one way or the other.

I just have heard enough from Trump's mouth to suspect that he has no idea what he is doing and does not care about the rest of us.

dembotoz

(16,864 posts)
12. Trump wants a show trial
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 07:58 PM
Feb 2017

Make him look the Patriot truth justice and the American way... Snowden would do that nicely

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