Protesters Drove Bernie Sanders From One Seattle Stage. At His Next Stop, 15,000 People Showed.

[Purveyor]

Source: Washington Post

By John Wagner August 8 at 11:30 PM

Bernie Sanders came to Seattle on Saturday with plans to give two speeches.

The first didn’t happen. An appearance by the senator from Vermont at an event celebrating the anniversary of Social Security and Medicare was scuttled after protesters from a local Black Lives Matter chapter took over the stage.

Hours later, Sanders, who has been drawing bigger crowds than any other presidential contender, drew his largest yet: about 15,000 at the college basketball arena where the Washington Huskies play.

[The Bernie Sanders predicament: Where do you fit all those people?]

Aides said Sanders, who has emerged as the leading alternative to Hillary Rodham Clinton for the Democratic nomination, spoke to a full house of 12,000 inside the arena and to what police estimated to be an overflow of 3,000 people outside of it.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/08/bernie-sanders-leaves-seattle-stage-after-event-disrupted-by-black-lives-matter-protesters/

[davidpdx]

1. Good to hear the second stop went off without incident

I know at least one person in Seattle who wanted to go, but couldn't make it.

[Betty Karlson]

2. Sanders cannot be deterred. That's what you want in a reform leader.

I am starting to like the man more and more.

And he is willing to listen to criticism. Not deterred, he can be persuaded by constructive criticism. He certainly made an effort to incorporate police reform and dissuasion of institutional racism as more prominent parts of his platform.

[Babel_17]

52. What you said

He is really showing great poise. With Senator Sanders as our candidate, the debates with his Republican opponent will be steered to issues important to the American people, and Sanders will just crush it.

[Populist_Prole]

3. It's all too clear now: Anyone protesting him is a tool for the oligharchs

Or do not know that they are.

That's sad.

[cantbeserious]

61. ^^^ This ^^^

eom

[restorefreedom]

69. + a million. nt

[fredamae]

88. Something is going on

But I hesitate to blame the HRC campaign...Because this seems More like a Set-up---a tactic to divide the Dem Party - "Seizing the Opportunity" to attach themselves/blend in with our own internal struggle between Progs/Corp Dem Wing.

A Tactic of Division...Helps GOP win and that, imo, more than likely, would come from the "other side" - The "Koch Wing", imo.

Remember, the GOP cannot win on the merits of their Own policy and economic positions and that applies now...more than ever...to their Own "fed up" base.

Just food for thought.
Give them all more rope-they will expose themselves soon enough, imo.

[99th_Monkey]

109. Set Up: "SOCIAL justice matters, but NOT Economic Justice"

This atrocious meme ^ has been spouted endlessly on DU.

And supporters of "the inevitable one" have been pushing it hard.
Never mind that it was MLK Jr.'s Poor People's March on Washington DC
-- bringing economic justice into the national spotlight -- right along
with racial/social justice that got him killed.

[A Simple Game]

112. And if this was a right wing sponsored attack on Bernie it reinforces the idea that

the right fears Bernie more in the general election than they do Hillary.

The odds are that these were just some very stupid people.

[Dont call me Shirley]

118. A typical RW tactic is to attack your opponents strengths, it's obvious that's what they're doing.

[bvar22]

146. I remember when we usd to say that about Reagan.

Never happened.

[Andrej28]

90. Not necessarily.

[mntleo2]

115. All too clear these protesters should ...

...be hopping up on the stage and disrupting the REAL elitists who secretly and not so secretly hate them. Where were these brave souls at the Republican debates where every single one of those standing on the stage are known bigots (including their one black token who is classist himself)? Are they too scared to speak to these elitists but prefer to go and pick on one of their safer allies instead who would not ridicule them, hurt them, or ignore what they are saying as those in that debate last week? What other candidate has the same campaign platform on either side that is almost exactly the same as BLM? NOBODY. Who is hopping on those stages of the ones who are actively destroying them? NOBODY

I get their complaints and believe they are right about the lack of support and respect ~ believe me I have seen and lived it for over 30 years as an activist! My challenge for BLM is to stand up to those who have spent their lives destroying people's lives instead of the ones who are with them. As a long time activist I can tell you they are shooting themselves in the foot. They are losing people like me who has spent my life in the social justice movement, I am the mother to minority kids who has lost jobs, lost friends and even lost family for speaking truth to power. But sorry I think it is rather weak of BLM to attack their allies instead of going after their true enemies.

BLM has allowed only two weeks since Netroots Nation for Senator Sanders to hire more minorities as they requested, which he is doing and they demand that he move faster.

Finally I have to observe if BLM wants real representation it should be noted we have no other black or minioroty candidates running for president this year except a Jewish man. Where are they, there are plenty of very good prospects yet not ONE of them has stepped to the plate. Not enough funding the reason for not running? Neither did Senator Sanders, with no $Billionaire sugar daddies he depends on $5 contributions for his campaign. This could happen the same with ANY qualified minority candidate and there is nothing but crickets.

I am *not* trying to silence these energetic young people who are doing what many of us have tried to do for years. But I am saying they need to stop hurting the ones who support them and instead go after the ones who in some cases literally have actively sought their demise. Believe me they would have lots of support by people who have stood with them for decades, but to attack us is not the answer. Go attack those who have not done one thing for them and who have actively worked to create MORE damage instead. Oh you know who we are that have always been there as support for BLM, people like Senator Sanders who marched with MLK, people like me who raised kids, taught, spoke and worked with people of all cultures, who have family members who I love that are minorities, you know, people who "are not affected" when we see what we have spoken to for decades...

My 2 cents,
Cat in Seattle

[fredamae]

120. Perhaps we're all wrong

Here is another perspective.
I am going to re-read it and ponder this.

progressives-dont-waste-your-money-on-a-dysfunctional-dead-end-group-called-blacklivesmatter

I am sure of one thing-there are many Other ways to support the Black Lives Matter movement- Justice Reform, Prison Reform, Poverty etc than this particular group.
I support what #BLM says it wants to accomplish-I support what these women had to say yesterday and at NN15- I believe in this cause...but their tactics "jumped the proverbial shark" imo.

I intend to continue to use the tools I have to make my voice heard. Period.

[magical thyme]

4. interesting that BLM has taken over the stage at invitational events

but not Bernie's own events.

At Netroots, people noticed the host pretty much allowed them to take over. And yesterday in the video, what looked like security people made no move to stop the girls when they rushed the stage.

[dreamnightwind]

5. yes that is interesting -eom

[AllyCat]

17. I figured they were going for large crowds

Bernie gets those crowds. I do wish people would listen to the message of the candidates and disrupt those who are not going to help the cause for all lives.

[magical thyme]

31. Bernie's own events are larger. 15,000+ yesterday, versus just a few thousand

at the Social Security and Medicare event that they wrecked.

[AllyCat]

36. Did not know the numbers there.

Going for media attention (as any activist would), but curious they only disrupt him. Others have said they did disrupt Obama. I suppose the media only wants to show the disruption of Bernie to try to help him fail.

[magical thyme]

47. just found an Obama event they disrupted. however, they did not even try to shut it down

So it was more of a normal protest. You make your noise from the back, get your message out, and then a few get detained by cops and the rest decide to let the event go on. Whereas security ignored yesterday's twits when they shoved their way onto the stage. And then announced they were taking the mike or shutting down the event. So the event ended.

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/03/07/3631178/black-lives-matter-protesters-interrupt-obama-selma/
Black Lives Matter Protesters Interrupt Obama In Selma

As he spoke, a group of protesters wearing shirts with airbrushed portraits of those killed by police started banging on drums and chanted, “Ferguson is here. We want change!” and “This is what democracy looks like.”

Obama did not pause his speech or acknowledge the interruption. But some older people in the crowd became angry, shouting at the young protesters: “Your vote is your voice! Get registered!”

A few of the demonstrators were removed by state troopers, and the rest agreed to remain silent.

[Babel_17]

56. Sanders is smart in treading the line between being a bully, and not standing up for yourself

President Obama is POTUS, and in the White House, but this video shows how to be polite but quite firm in maintaining ones right to speak.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update/2015/0625/You-re-in-my-house-How-Obama-handles-hecklers-video

[magical thyme]

80. a key difference is that the people around Sanders, on both occasions, handed off the microphone

and gave it away.

Yesterday, security should not have allowed those girls onto the stage, period. They are literally putting his life at risk by not doing their job.

That is what makes this look like it's being funded by opposition. Somebody with the means to infiltrate other organizations. I don't think the girls were bought off -- they are just unwitting, and witless, tools who were probably instructed what and how to do whatever. But the path was cleared for them in advance.

[Babel_17]

87. I don't know, maybe it's best that it played out to its logical conclusion

Though, yeah, that doesn't help get Sanders message out there. And yet, it is a real life example of Sanders poise when dealing with people who are hurting and hard to negotiate with.

[magical thyme]

98. "it's logical conclusion?" I don't think it's even close to over yet.

[Babel_17]

117. Well, for the informal referees in the media

Well, for the informal referees in the media the case might now seem pretty clear. Though as I implied in another thread this incident also holds an opportunity for BLM to show their message in a new way, and in different venues. By all means keep showing up at events where Sanders appears. Talk to reporters, distribute leaflets that show the statistics, carry placards. And on top of that demonstrate clearly that BLM can do much more than just capturing a podium.

If they don't do that then these referees will be the ones to red card them.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/red-carding

[magical thyme]

121. thank you for the link re: red-carding, because I would have had no idea...

Yeah, I'll agree that for the information referees it's over. Until the next chapter begins, anyway

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

136. I'm curious what HRC has done or said that immunizes her from this.

[sunnystarr]

140. Has she appeared in any public forum since then? nt

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

141. Another GREAT point. Sucks to be Bernie, I guess.

I'm betting he stops going to events that are not his own. It's too bad, but why bother if it will get shutdown?

[appalachiablue]

148. +1

[AllyCat]

152. Doesn't get as many people at her rallies?

[jwirr]

94. At one point in the video Bernie was standing in the middle of the protesters. Security

was standing with their backs to the camera looking at him. I watched his face - he looked directly at the security, gave a slight shake of his head and security backed off.

That is the old protester in Bernie. He also is committed to ending the injustice enough that he ceded the stage to the speakers. Too bad they did not make a real speech. Too bad they did not see that interchange.

[magical thyme]

101. it was too late for security to intercede at that point, without making a really ugly scene.

But what I remember from looking at the video is the girls should never have been allowed on the stage to begin with. They should have been stopped *before* they got that far.

I agree that he essentially ceded them the floor so they could give their message. Their problem -- and their own fault -- that the audience wasn't interested in listening to them.

Unfortuntely, some are interpreting it as him "running" from them. There simply was nothing to be gained from him staying. Past experience has proven they aren't interested in a discussion and would have shouted him down had he attempted to engage or answer any questions they had, as they did O'Malley at Netroots.

[jwirr]

104. Totally agree. At that point security would have just made it worse.

[appalachiablue]

108. The selection of events is very interesting. Although Bernie appears at smaller events

on the campaign trail like in Louisiana, Seattle was ideal for white progressives targeting. Knowing that events will have plenty of media coverage, like this outdoor rally is also a factor in maximizing exposure I would think. An inside dinner event or house party are not good opportunities like very large events with thousands of people where disruptors would never reach the stage because of the higher level of formal security.

Last night I also read comments on twitter I think wondering how the group managed to also take over the sound system at the outdoor Westlake rally yesterday, if that's true. One never knows with so much info. and disinfo. flowing from many sources.

[Evar]

6. Mindless grandstanding by BlackLivesMatter

This kind of mindless grandstanding by BlackLivesMatter against a man who has been a champion of equality for all Americans was wrong, rude and dumb. What were they thinking? I have to wonder if that interruption was paid and staged? BLM needs to apologize to Senator Sanders, regroup with better leaders and re-direct their efforts. I've worked for black equality for a long time, but they've lost my support.

[heaven05]

9. because of people like you

I hope he loses in the primaries. What you must understand is you WERE NOT "with us" in the first place and you're no great loss. You are part of the dime a dozen crowd.

[Chef Eric]

11. Why not judge Sanders on his positions & actions...

instead of on some comments by some of his supporters?

[heaven05]

28. I am gaining respect for his positions

I will not support a candidate, though, with such obviously and open racist supporters. I send a lot of my friends to the racist comments. HRC has gained a lot of support because of them. They send their friends and acquaintances.. and on and on...you know how it works. I hope his racist supporters keep it up.

[AllyCat]

38. The supporters will not be running the country.

So even if you dislike us, why not ask the questions of the candidate and learn more about his positions?

[Babel_17]

62. "brown shirt mentality"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung

[Duckhunter935]

70. So you are saying "pigshit racists"

are DU members, interesting as you that is who you called :brown shirt" here.

No more questions about them from me. I am sick of the sizable representation of racists on here in support of BS. I want to distance myself from that type of stupidity, ignorance and brown shirt mentality as far as I can. On principle grounds, if they are for him, I'm agin him!!!! And so are a growing number of my friends, associates and acquaintances. Period
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141171330#post50

[Babel_17]

85. "brownshirt" is not a term to just toss around, imo

I don't hold with the common misinterpretation of Godwin's law*, I think that there are lessons learned from the history of the Nazi party that can be applied to modern day politics. Lord knows that after the attacks on 911, the rantings and lies coming from some on the right were eerie reminders.

But even with them, applying an analogy to the tactics of that sick bunch has to be done with care, and only if more appropriate analogies aren't available or have been exhausted.

I linked to the article so as to signify that I don't hold those lessons lightly, or ignore the magnitude of the crimes.

Bottom line is I don't own the Nazi equivalency, if you want to use it, fine. But it's considered by many to be a deadly serious argument, and justifying replies of equal seriousness. And that's my 2 cents.

Better days are coming, that's my hope and belief, my wish upon a star.

*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

[Shankapotomus]

92. Jury results:

On Sun Aug 9, 2015, 10:11 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

I know about "his position".
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1171428

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calling DU members Nazi by using the euphemism "brown shirt" is over the top and should be hidden. He once again also calls fellow DU members "racist" and that alone should deserve to be hidden.

Thank you for your time!

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Aug 9, 2015, 10:44 AM, and the Jury voted 6-1 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I think this deserves more than just a hide. Bernie's grandparents endured the holocaust, and the poster is going to invoke Nazi images to disparage his supporters? Really?
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Hate speech.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I'm glad you feel that way because I am going to thoroughly enjoy my jury vote agin you.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: What about all the super non-racists?
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

I was Juror #5.

[Babel_17]

114. Thanks for the info

I doubt it came as a surprise, what with the doubling down and escalation.

[Duckhunter935]

67. "brown shirt mentality"

That is just sick and you really should edit or remove.

[heaven05]

73. some of his supporters are of that mentality

Last edited Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:18 PM - Edit history (1)

and I WILL NOT remove or edit a damn thing. To call black people "shitheads" and "shithead assholes" is sick and no one is complaining about that. I'm done...do what you may...you cannot cause me any discomfort. I am firm in knowing my experiences in this country and how they relate to the "shithead" description. Your offense is noted and dismissed.

[lark]

99. Jury voted it was offensive, so you lost.

Your disruption won't work and is totally upfront and way off base. You obviously have other motives and we can all see right thru you.

[Babel_17]

93. Well, if it's left as it's a reference to the kind of rhetoric that was used

I think discussions on DU are headed for being more analytical, while not sacrificing their sincerity.

[Duckhunter935]

97. The jury hid it 6-1

[appalachiablue]

113. I watched both of Bernie's Seattle events live. Referencing fascist 'Brown Shirts' is particularly

offensive and ignorant given that Bernie's family from Poland, except his father who fled to the US at age 17 were all killed by Nazis in the Holocaust. The level of the outrageous and extreme is just amazing these days.

[Duckhunter935]

122. Yes, a very good hide

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

137. Seems quite a few AA's are losing their minds.

They need to direct their anger somewhere other than DU. Either that, or try FR.

They can go ahead and call me a racist pig. I'd have to say "right back at ya".

[Duckhunter935]

138. Only a couple

and they deserved the hides. Most are fine and I have no issue with them voicing concerns. I just wish they would do the same to HRC and the republicans.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

139. I was just wondering that myself...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1171651

[Dont call me Shirley]

74. Those of us who support Bernie Sanders are not racists. His record with regard to racial relations i

far better than any of the other presidential candidates and his colleagues in the senate. Check these facts out:


"Star Member merrily (23,876 posts)
7. Thanks for bringing up all that. One of the first federal officeholders to speak out after Ferguson

co-sponsoring youth employment package with Conyers, equal rights activist for decades; 97% rating from NAACP, 100% rating from Human Rights Campaign, outstanding record on reproductive choice legislation (rated ZERO by anti-abortion groups and 100% by NARAL); contrary to Gutierrez's lie, has been speaking out about immigration for a long time (rated ZERO by a "border security" group); and a whole host of other things.

See also
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017271517

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12809672

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6743489'

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/video-audio/ferguson

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017271517 (video of 20 minute speech on immigration given in the Senate 2013)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6819505

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141115277 see replies

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026817096 see replies

Luckily, Sanders has been an activist so long that facts trump insinuations and attempted smears.
In 1996, 15% of House Democrats voted against DOMA. Bernie did. SUMMER OF SANDERS!"

What the opposition is doing is taking Sanders strong point and attacking it, typical RW tactic!

[Duckhunter935]

77. I do not know

but that poster just has an issue that facts will not change his opinion. I find it interesting he refuses to link to any of the statements that he says were made.

[heaven05]

81. not all of you are racists, true

got enough on here to turn off many people though. BS is saying all the right things. Doesn't matter. His portion of racist supporters, not all BS supporters are racist, are enough that I hope HRC gets the nomination because of them. Period. O'malley if he can get the support. You have a good one. Thanks for the links.

[Duckhunter935]

83. that goes the same the other way you know

Not all BLM people are what you say has been said about them.

[Dont call me Shirley]

100. Bernie's positions are not compatible with racism.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/05/senator-bernie-sanders-policy-platform-presidential-campaign

http://digital.vpr.net/post/hear-bernie-sanders-political-views-not-evolve-over-decades

http://digital.vpr.net/post/hear-bernie-sanders-political-views-not-evolve-over-decades

[lark]

95. That poster obviously has no regard for facts at all.

Seems like dissing BS and progressives is all he/she cares about and seems to have a big alterior motive as well. The offensive message was supposed to have been hidden, but is still active on my pc. Hope they get that flaming trash off here soon (the message that is).

[lark]

91. Funny, according to the polls more and more people support Bernei over HRC

It doesn't seem like you have listened one moment to Bernie. He talks a lot about getting police under control and stopping this madness, and equality of opportunity for everyone of every race. Haven't heard HRC addreess it once. Why isn't BLM disrupting her events or those of any of the Repugs who openly support the police in killing minorities and women? Why just target BS? Does seem very fishy that they are targeting the one person who is totally for the working class and against the oligarchy yet seems to be supporting TPP, Wall St. darling and fracking supporter HRC. Seems awfully funny. I was ok with the Netroots protest, but Bernie changed his message to include this and they still do this shit. Yeah, something awfully fishy is going on.

[Babel_17]

75. You're looking for an argument? :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_Clinic

"Michael Palin pays a receptionist (played by Rita Davies) to have a five-minute argument. The receptionist directs him to Chapman's room, but when he walks in, Chapman hurls abuse at him. Palin interrupts, saying he wants an argument, not abuse"

I think things have evolved in an unfortunate, and avoidable, way here on DU. Too often, expressing an opinion is being received, or at any rate portrayed, as an attempt at lecturing or talking down. Supporters of Sanders are the dominant faction here and by force of numbers are monopolizing the discussion.

Because this has the effect of sucking all the air out of the room, some DU posters with concerns more pressing than the election in 2016 are feeling snubbed, or worse. DU is a forum on the internet, and with all the baggage that goes with that. On the internet people can say things, and even be someone, that wouldn't be practical in real life. A level of demagoguery is possible that wouldn't be practical in a living room or any normal meeting place. Friendships form, sides get chosen, and alliances form. Majority opinions coalesce around certain issues and woe unto thee in the minority. It's the internet, in all its glory.

But these are known things, and we're smart enough to handle them in a manner to do us all proud. It's never too late for our situation to improve, if we determine that it will.

Just my 2 cents. I hope you don't mind my interjecting them here, by way of a reply.

Go Sanders!

[Vinca]

12. Will you be going after Hillary then?

President Scott Walker will thank you.

[heaven05]

13. I wouldn't be any fault of mine

if one of those RW jerks ends up in office....I know what I must do and how I should vote, as I have since 1972. A lot of these people on here, I suspect are like E. Warren or HRC, early repubs turned off by the bush dynasty. Please!!! Some on here still think Raygun was a hero, while I know what a sly, slick RW animal bastard he was in how he turned all white people into victims of the "welfare queens". Don't try to lecture me on fault.

[Vinca]

14. You imply I'm a Reagan fan and you think I'm insulting you? That's rich.

[heaven05]

20. I don't know who, what

or how you've voted. No, I am not "implying" anything of the sort about you. I am saying unequivocally, some on here have left no doubt as to what they thought about that raygun dude in the positive. You haven't insulted me, just confirmed what many on here have. POC are REALLY on their own, by and large, in the fight against the racist animals trying to assert their "toxic" white superiority complex on the whole nation.

No matter how many unarmed women, CHILDREN and men, the racist storm trooper thugs of the racial dominance crowd kill, by hanging, shooting, burning, the fight for racial survival in this country WILL CONTINUE as it has in one form or anther for 250+ years. No matter how many modern, "keep calm, do it my way "supporters" try to make POC listen to them counsel us into an early grave, the fight for racial survival of POC will continue.THANK GOD!!!! on this sunday morning for #BlackLivesMatter and those willing to die so another innocent won't be hung in a jail for a traffic violation, tortured to death in a speeding police van's metal interior or just outright shot because their skin color offended some racist animal.

You didn't insult me, you just affirmed to me how much work is still to be done. Have a good one now.. .

[carla]

29. "THANK GOD!!!! on this sunday morning for #BlackLivesMatter and those willing to die..."

Hahahaa. We are supposed to believe you are one of those. You sure do think much of yourself, don't you? The struggle for democracy is not only a struggle to stop racist cops from killing innocent POC. It is a struggle to guarantee civil rights for ALL. Only ONE candidate has proven his commitment to this cause. Thank god? Obviously you need to think critically and stop believing in the moral righteousness of your personal cause. Time to contribute some real effort and not just foist your sorry opinion on the rest of us here at DU. Thanks and SO LONG.

[Vinca]

124. Now I think you're insulting the majority of posters on this site.

I would imagine, save a few trolls, we all support the goals of BLM. If you think you're alone, you're not dealing with reality. My sole gripe is this: why are candidates who signed, voted for and supported legislation to limit voting rights being given a free pass? Bernie's not the enemy, but it appears he's an easy target who happens to have a whole lot of television cameras on him. Why not go after Rick Perry? He's one of the leaders in the fight to limit voting. The key to the BLM movement is the vote. If you don't have access to it and don't avail yourself of the opportunity to cast it, there is no way to stop the Klan-loving Bubbas of the world from becoming police chief.

[jwirr]

107. That from a Hillary supporter. What's new about your attitude. Nothing.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

142. The people who stopped Sanders certainly aren't with me. They're carrying water for republicans.

And people helping Republicans get elected can fuck off.

[Jester Messiah]

45. They really shot themselves in both feet.

"I'm going to interrupt the candidate that thousands of you came to see, I'll talk over him, belittle him, and if y'all boo me, it's because I'm black and you're all racists!"

Hard to see how that kind of behavior wins support.

[red dog 1]

143. + 1

[tabasco]

7. FAR OUT that he's getting big crowds!

Too bad about the shit-for-brains at the earlier event.

[heaven05]

15. saying something like that

seals my opinion of all anti-#BlackLivesMatter critics. May Bernie LOSE the primary and our real candidate go on to run the WH for all of us, you and I. No clue. No wonder BS will lose.

[AllyCat]

18. The comment you replied to was an ugly comment

I am curious why you dislike Sen Sanders. He seems the most likely (to me) to fight for equality. I don't get that from any of the Republicans (no surprise) nor do I get that from HRC. What is your take on that?

[heaven05]

21. I DO NOT

dislike BS. I DO dislike his 'supporters' who are using his candidacy to air their slyly worded racism. Period. I hope HRC wins the primary precisely because of these type of BS 'supporters', whether they are RW plants or not. All trying to make #BlackLivesMatter a RW plant.

That is an old tactic called purposeful projection. I suspect this of a lot of these racist BS supporters.

on edit: one small observation. First I haven't seen one of the liberals or progressives concerned about equal rights alerting on the comments like "shitheads and shithead assholes" getting alerted on for racistly insulting a whole race of people. Second, I repeat, because of them I hope HRC wins the primary(which she will) and goes on to win the WH and run things. At least I haven't seen a lot of racism out of her supporters, yet.

[restorefreedom]

86. here is something to think about

the population of black americans is about 14%. the population of white americans is about 77%, including 62% of non hispanic whites and 15% hispanic.

there are not enough black americans in the country, never mind the government or other positions of leadership, to implement the changes needed to deal with inequality and racism without help. allies in the white community are critical in this effort.

when disruptors get in the way of a viable and growing candidate's message, they are not helping their cause or creating more allies. now it is looking like these two people are non locals who went to disrupt and are not part of the mainstream blm movement. but the blm movement will become more marginalized and not taken seriously if people continue to act this way in their name.

and calling people racists who choose to call them out on their immature and non constructive behavior (not necessarily you but some have) is not helping either.

and if you are worried about bernie because you think his supporters are racist, i would consider that hillary's corporate tax cheating donors are all about profits and contribute greatly to the institutional racism and blatant racial inequality that still exists in this country. they just don"t post on internet forums cuz they are too busy exploiting poc in the marketplace.

[Qutzupalotl]

123. Because that post wasn't insulting an entire race as you disingenuously claim.

The poster was rightly attacking misguided protestors at an ally's event.

It's a good thing I don't smear ALL Clinton supporters as thin-skinned race baiting disruptors based on your post, and claim at every opportunity that I hope she loses, not because of her positions, but because of some anonymous posts on a message board.

Please grow up. You are embarrassing yourself.

[tabasco]

27. LOL

Maybe get off the Internet for awhile.

[heaven05]

30. Maybe, I won't

good luck with your candidate. He's got his own people working against him, that's a LOL moment to suddenly realize...

[tabasco]

76. Why do you say "my candidate?"

I'm happy to see any Democratic candidate get a good crowd and I will vote for whomever is the Democratic nominee.

Will you do the same?

[HappyPlace]

111. There is a resemblance.

Between the some supporters of the leading candidate and the two distruptors at the event.

I don't believe they were BLM, by the way, but just agitators with a website and everything.

They don't speak for BLM and the HRC supporters and BS supporters on this board don't speak for their respective candidates.

Life is funny.

[Abe Linkon]

34. An example of "our real candidate would be...?"

[Comrade Grumpy]

129. The New Black Panthers are looking for a few good men. Sign up.

[Divernan]

8. 15,000 for Bernie vs. 60/136 for HRC - hmmmm.

Just by way of contrast, while Bernie is attracting historic, record-breaking crowds for a primary candidate, his opponent "wowed a Park City crowd" of (are you ready for this? Hold on to your hats, folks) SIXTY (60!), in a private home in a gated community - no press or public allowed, thank you very much.

The headline on this link (from the HRC group): Hillary Clinton wows a Park City crowd.
The "report" failed to quantify the crowd, identify the host or location (other than private home), the charge for admission, or whether the press was admitted.
http://www.parkrecord.com/ci_28603769/hillary-clinton-wows-park-city-crowd
by Jay Hamburger THE PARK RECORD
Posted: 08/07/2015 04:46:53 PM MDT

Curious as to what constitutes a "crowd" in Park City, I googled and found a more descriptive news report.

http://fox13now.com/2015/08/05/hillary-clinton-in-utah-for-fundraiser/

PARK CITY, Utah — Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton visited Utah Wednesday for a fundraising event.

The fundraiser was held at a private residence in the Glenwild gated community in Park City.
Littlefield estimated 60 people attended an early rally that cost $2700 a head, and more attended the larger event, paying $500 each. If those estimates are true, then the event raised more than $200,000 for the Clinton campaign.

Doing the math: 60 at$2700 each =s $162,000. $38,000 @ $500 each =s another 76 people for a grand total of 136 payees.

[TheCowsCameHome]

10. What a disgrace.

Bernie Sanders came to get his message out and was forced to cancel.

[heaven05]

16. aawwww

so.....what?????

[TheCowsCameHome]

19. What is that supposed to mean?

[lark]

102. He's a HRC supporter who think that dissing Bernie will get his person the win.

He's a hidden agitator who doesn't realize that all the people he's dissing are needed for a Dem win. It's all about him/her and no regard for the country or it's people. Selfish and unseeing are 2 words that come to mind.

[olegramps]

24. I don't understand your apparent antagonism about Sanders.

I thought that Sanders has been an ardent supporter of Black issues for a number of years. I believe that his message that we must do better in dramatically reducing Black unemployment would have an important affect on the lives of Black people and especially young Blacks who are captive of a situation that provides little hope for advancement. I am attempting to understand as best that I can, not being Black, that their is widespread deeply held prejudice. It appears to me that Blacks are demanding respect and I applaud that.

What I don't understand, and I am open to being educated, is just how are people who are prejudice are going to be transformed into acting like the Christians that they claim to be. I say this from the perspective of having numerous relatives in the South who are unfortunately virulent racists which is unfortunately not uncommon throughout our nation.

[heaven05]

37. I am not commenting on BS or his historical background

I am commenting on his obvious and open racist supporters on here calling a whole race of people "shitheads" and "shithead assholes". I see none of the "concerned" on here alerting or even chastising anyone like that. THAT!!!! tells me more about a sizable portion of his base and who I care not to associate with or to give a vote to their candidate.They are a direct reflection of their candidate and if they are RW plants making these type of comments, even worse for BS. I have been dealing with this type of libertarian and undercover racism for many decades now. I will not be fooled. IF so many open racist are for BS, then I'm not because #BlackLivesMatter and these simpletons don't. Simple as that. Has that helped in any way?

[Duckhunter935]

44. Link to that please

[heaven05]

51. Go find your own links

I have stated, firmly, that I will not fall into that distraction and bs. I know what I know, go find them yourself. Been doing work for 'other' people for far too long a time. bye. bye

[Duckhunter935]

55. well since you made the charge

you need to back it up. That just proves to me it never happened.

[heaven05]

59. stay blind and insulated

you'll be safe, trust me........

[Duckhunter935]

65. I will not

and I read most of the posts here. I see the derogatory posts from most sides. The O'M supporters are the best and I do not think I have seen any from them. Even the Bernie ones are more of what are her positions and when is she going to do unscripted limited events. The ones directed at Bernie and his supporters wow, white supremacists?

I do not see you challenging those posts. I am sorry if I just do not believe you as you can not produce the evidence of the charge YOU made. It is not my job to go find it.

Have a great day

[heaven05]

68. you're joking

"shitheads" and "shithead assholes" describing #BlackLivesMatter from BS supporters is not insulting and "you can't find them? I don't care if you can't find THOSE words here, I have. You have a good day.

[Duckhunter935]

82. Was that the entire group

or just the individuals that in my opinion acted very badly shutting down his event then seemed lost when they were allowed to speak.?

[dangerous dan]

72. In other words, you're making it up.

Telling people to go find their links instead of doing what they are requesting - proof of YOUR statement about Sanders supporters being "shitheads" - that's your accusation. You need to back it up with facts.

Maybe you should get out of being in the persecution complex state of mind.

[nashville_brook]

128. precisely. the poster wants to conflate calling out the disruptors with the whole movement

which, to my mind, is the problem with the disruptors. they're bringing the whole movement down.

[olegramps]

49. Thanks for your reply.

I have difficulty in understanding how you have come to the conclusion that the majority of Sanders supporters are racists. I haven't seen the massive number of Sanders' supporters spewing hatred of Blacks. I think that that is far more prevalent among the Republicans. This makes me wonder why hasn't this group disrupted Republican events.

Systemic racism is extremely difficult to eradicate and I place far more blame on Christian leaders in not doing far more in converting their membership to true Christian principles than politicians who they have failed to condemn.

[heaven05]

53. No problem with the 'christian' aspect

I got involved in a Southern Baptist religion some decades back and I lost a great relationship because of my stupidity in thinking they were christians. Amerikkkan christians they were. As far as majority of BS supporters being racist, I don't know about that. But here and in other places, they are a sizable portion of his base. I feel.

[Dont call me Shirley]

127. "But here and in other places, they are a sizable portion of his base. I feel."

"I feel" does not make a fact, it makes an opinion which is far from a fact.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/10/1400974/-Bernie-Sanders-Breaks-20-in-a-National-Poll-for-the-First-Time-Gaining-Support-Across-Demographics#

What is really hilarious is that anyone could think that the majority of Bernie supporters are Southern Baptist racists. SoBaps are more the Huckabee/Cruz type.

[Duckhunter935]

57. It is interesting

I agree, why not other events and republicans?

[tularetom]

131. I want to see where someone called a whole race of people shitheads and shithead assholes

Because I don't believe that ever happened.

And if it did, those posts would have been hidden so fast it would make your head swim.

You are angry. I think we all get that. You have your reasons. But it doesn't justify making stuff up.

My advice to you is to take a few deep breaths before you push the enter key for posts like this.

[GoneFishin]

42. That important and pressing issue has been co-opted and cheapened into an anti-Bernie

smear tactic.

You can find dozens of sincere posts on DU asking your same question, paraphrased : "why go after Bernie, the candidate who has a strong unwaivering 50 year record of fighting for racial equality?".

The responses you will get are mostly bazaar, non-answer responses, punctuated by "so that's why I can't support Bernie."

It's a campaign tactic. BLM has chosen their candidate, and by all appearances it is Hillary.

[winter is coming]

89. +1. I'm seeing people who seem desperate to stir up bad will between white progressives

and BLM. Gosh, I wonder who benefits from that?

[GoneFishin]

96. Exactly. A true liberal response, very initially, is "I recognize your grievances, maybe they could

be better addressed more constructively some other way". The immediate reaction repeated many times on DU was "STFU, don't try to tell me what to do, you don't know because you are a <some alienating term>." Punctuated by "That's why I can't support Bernie".

After the same thing played out many times it became apparent that it was not about addressing the terrible injustices and addressing the grievances, but was about stirring up shit and dividing progressives.

I wonder who benefits from that?

[McKim]

22. These Interrupters are Agent Provacateurs or Dupes

As a Sanders supporter and a white ally I will continue to work for Black Lives Matter. These interrupters are dupes or hired thugs. I attended a BLM event in Portland and some one on a panel put Senator Sanders down. There are persistent rumors in BLM that Senator Sanders somehow doesn't represent BLM's interests. This is bunk. But rumors have legs and someone started them and someones keep them going. Who benefits? By their fruits you will know them.

[onehandle]

23. President Nader had super rallies too.

[tabasco]

26. Link?

Thanks.

[onehandle]

33. Look familiar?

[img][/img]

Nader 'Super Rally' Draws 12,000 To Boston's FleetCenter
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/100200-02.htm

Nader Campaign Stunned by Rally Turnouts
http://www.monitor.net/monitor/0011a/copyright/naderend.html

[tabasco]

64. I don't see "President Nader" anywhere in those links.

Thanks anyway.

[onehandle]

66. Exactly. nt

[tabasco]

78. Ahhhh, I see. You're equating the independent presidential candidacy of Ralph Nader

to the Democratic primary candidacy of Bernie Sanders.

That doesn't seem very cogent.

[Duckhunter935]

84. Interesting, is it not

can't challenge the anointed one you know

[Lunabell]

32. Bernie isn't running as a 3rd party spoiler.

No comparison.

[onehandle]

35. No he isn't. But he is running as 'an alternative.'

And Senator Sanders' super rallies are basically a carbon copy.

[Lunabell]

40. Yes,

well we need an alternative.

[AllyCat]

41. Isn't every candidate an alternative to another?

Sanders is not running as an alternative. He got in the race first to win.

[merrily]

134. Everyone running in the Democratic primary--any primary for that matter--is running as an alternativ

to every other candidate in the same primary. I've never heard "Vote for me. I'm no different than everyone else on this stage."

[heaven05]

39. Excellent. GO!!!!!!!!

I can't wait for them to stop all POC from entering his events, well there aren't that many in the first place from all the stills and videos I've seen. GO#BlackLIVESMATTER.

[TheCowsCameHome]

43. You'd really like to see that happen.

It would fuel your hatred for BS.

But Bernie won't stoop to your standards.

[JRLeft]

46. I'm black and I do not get your hatred for Bernie Sanders.

Please explain.

[heaven05]

54. I don't "hate" BS

I've explained in plenty of ways and plenty of times why I have turned away from his candidacy. More power to you in your support of him, I wish you luck and adios.

[JRLeft]

71. I wasn't around can elaborate, what am I missing?

[jwirr]

116. Do you think you are helping BLM with your line of argument? Calling everyone racist is not going

to help one bit.

[LiberalElite]

48. If the cops say 3,000 overflow that means there were more nt

[Debchemist]

60. Protest

How diverse is Bernie Sanders staff?

[jwirr]

119. While that is a question worth asking. Does hiring someone who is a POC mean anything when it

is used to garner votes? Anyone can do that - even Trump hires Hispanic people - that does not mean one thing.

[azmom]

132. Unfortunately the game has been going on for so

Long that some POC have come to believe that no real change is possible so they are willing to settle for some campaign appointments here and there.

[jwirr]

150. Agreed. When it comes to politics there has to be more proof than just what happens during the

election season. Not just on race - that is true of many issues.

[raven mad]

79. I think BLM is a movement that is necessary and needed.

But I wish they'd target the ones who need it most.

[WestSeattle2]

126. Agreed - but putting juvenile incompetents in charge of local chapters will destroy

the movement. It's an unfortunate reality. The fools that were on that stage yesterday are now the face of BLM in Seattle. The support for the organization in Seattle will drop precipitously. Foolish amateurs.

[Billsmile]

103. A New Addition To Sanders' Staff

Spoke At Last Night's Event In Seattle.

&feature=youtu.be

[jalan48]

105. It looks like Bernie's message is starting to threaten Wall St. and the oligarchs.

[Owl]

106. Extremely rude and disrespectful. Disrespectful of the audience as well.

Disgusting.

[Plucketeer]

110. Read thru most of this thread

and about half way thru it, the old line about one cutting off one's nose to spite their face, came to mind. It's pretty sad when one's fury drives them right past Reason Avenue and detours them onto Revenge Road.

[Yallow]

125. I Smell A Rat - Re-Posted

Reposted from other thread.

I wish I could have been to Hec Ed, but my only chance to watch Bernie (without driving to Portland) was at Westlake
Center.

I really doubt the HRC campaign had anything directly to do with what I witnessed yesterday at Westlake Center.

I was there, and I was pissed off by BLM. I am not a racist, and don't appreciate being called a racist because
I haven't fought hard enough to remedy 500 years of the oppression of African Americans.

Even though I agree cops should stop killing unarmed black/white/hispanic men, and it is a real problem, BLM
doesn't have much to say about the thousand murders of blacks by blacks for every Eric Garner, Michael Brown etc.
I'm not the only one to notice that. Economic justice is the real answer regardless how pissed off people get about
what cell phone videos they watch. When gang banging is the only job that pays, there is gonna be a lot of corpses.

That said, I smell a rat.

Pure Rove is attacking an opponent where you are weakest, like the purple band aids at the GOP convention in 2004.

Bush was a deserter, and Kerry was a war hero. Rove and his minions attacked Kerry's service record.

I smell a rat here.

Where Hillary is weakest, is her ties to Wall Street. Not the 5 million lunatic conspiracies.

It would be pure Rove to attack with her (or the billionaire's) minions Senator Sanders record for fighting
full throttle for social justice, and economic justice his whole entire career.

I can't see where Hillary is ordering BLM to attack Sanders, but something sure smells like a rat here.

Usually when you smell a rat, there is a dead rat somewhere......

Been doing this way too long.....

[Dont call me Shirley]

130. doesn't have much to say about the thousand murders of blacks by blacks for every Eric Garner, Micha

That comment just sullied your argument. That is a RW talking point.

True, there is a RAT, their tactic is to attack their opponents strengths by blindsiding.

[Yallow]

133. Facts Are Facts

Sorry for telling the truth. I will try harder next time.

[Dont call me Shirley]

149. Was the "I smell a rat post" yours originally or did you borrow it from someone else?

Why didn't you quote white on white murders or male on female murders?

The "black on black murders" argument is ONLY a right wing "fact".

[Yallow]

151. Because White Lives Matter

Did not disrupt the event I attended.

Powermad Bastards.

They don't want change, they want war.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

135. Young ignorant kids. That's as polite as I can be.

[red dog 1]

144. BlackLivesMatter needs to get rid of the paid agent provocateurs who have targeted Sen. Sanders

If they don't, then they will lose any credibility they now have.

I wish people like Brad Friedman, Greg Palast, Rachel Maddow, Thom Hartmann and others would look into these freaks, as well as the entire BlackLivesMatter group, and then
"Follow The Money" to see who is paying them.

[libdem4life]

145. Bernie reminds me of a martial arts practitioner. The harder the negative, just a slight

movement, and the aggresser takes the fall. Possibly the reason the second speech was overflowing was the bullying tactics at the first one, if I have the order right. They gave him immense publicity, but in the end they "won" and he handled it like a gentleman. They criticize Hillary and he handles it like a gentleman.

[red dog 1]

147. Is Marissa Janae Johnson being paid by the Republicans to do this?

From the WaPo article:
Marissa Janae Johnson, who identified herself as a leader of the Black Lives Matter chapter in Seattle, asked the crowd to "join us now in holding Bernie Sanders accountable for his actions."

WHAT actions?

Has Marissa Janae Johnson ever disrupted a Republican presidential candidate's speech?

Has Marissa Janae Johnson ever disrupted a Hillary Rodham Clinton speech?