Students chant 'you killed Jesus' at game against school with many Jewish students
Source: NY DailyNews
A Catholic school in Massachusetts has apologized after some of its pupils chanted you killed Jesus at a game against a school with many Jewish students.
The fan section of Catholic Memorial High School in West Roxbury unleashed the anti-Semitic cheer when its basketball team visited Newton North High School on Friday night.
Memorials President Peter Folan called the chanting unacceptable and said that the offending students had to personally apologize to Newtons interim principal after the game.
Newton Superintendent David Fleishman told Wicked Local that the incident was upsetting and troubling and highly insensitive for him and his students.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/students-chant-killed-jesus-basketball-opponents-article-1.2562767
valerief
(53,235 posts)rockfordfile
(8,709 posts)NCjack
(10,279 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)IT was the Italians!
TeamPooka
(24,286 posts)AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,027 posts)TeamPooka
(24,286 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)Best Line of the week - hands down
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Man, Christians are dumb. I'm an atheist and even I knew that!
Xithras
(16,191 posts)Under the reign of Augustus, the all-Roman conscripted army was largely replaced with a volunteer force and a larger Roman auxilia comprised of non-citizens from the provinces. While there were many all-Roman units in Judea, they were considered elite soldiers and wouldn't have been wasted on low-importance duties like imprisoning and executing political dissidents. The Roman auxilia in Judea, at that time, were mostly comprised of Damascene and Thracian soldiers, so the guards who actually nailed him up and killed him would have been of Greek or Syrian lineage, by modern ethnic definitions.
Greeks and Syrians, under the orders of the Romans, settling a Jewish political "problem". That's what the Romans called "multiculturalism".
FailureToCommunicate
(14,027 posts)all male Catholic school's team.
Unacceptable behavior on both sides.
GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)I was getting ready for a good old fashion catholic bashin thread but this really puts a damper on that possibility. Maybe next time...
IronLionZion
(45,615 posts)Don't let anything stop you from that!
GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)FYI, you may need to re-calibrate your sarcasm detector
snooper2
(30,151 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I imagine simply asking them is far too simple for such a complex, rational and inquisitive mind.
Behind the Aegis
(54,044 posts)The article, which can only be quoted so many paragraphs as per DU rules, so like most, I just copied the first four, states the other side was inappropriate too.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,027 posts)Behind the Aegis
(54,044 posts)Ancient blood libel vs teasing about attending an all-male school.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,027 posts)Behind the Aegis
(54,044 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,027 posts)You did say you prefer to avoid drama, and that's an outlook I try to use here on DU as well.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)My public HS was the "black" school in town
The Catholic school would do things at games like paint a sheet with a map of Africa, with the words "Home of the Spartans" (our nickname). Worst we'd retaliate with was chants similar to what Newton did.
Neither good, but the racial aspects were far, far worse.
Behind the Aegis
(54,044 posts)Taunting someone because they attend an all-male school is not the equivalent to either example (the one you provided, or in the OP).
valerief
(53,235 posts)HeartoftheMidwest
(309 posts)That's comparable to an anti-Semitic slur???!!! Not sure what universe you dwell in. There is certainly bad behavior at high school and college sporting events, but that kind of taunt is overboard. Both sides do it??? Really??? The insults aren't even comparable.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,027 posts)the first 4 graphs that mention what one team fans chanted. I did not excuse either behavior on the "both sides do it" excuse. But of course they are "comparable": you could say the one chant was sexist and the other was racist. One may seem, or be, worse than the other. That is how comparisons work. But I didn't do any such comparison. I merely added my two cents that both chants -or worse ones we've also heard about lately- have no place at school sporting events, or anywhere actually.
That is the "universe I dwell in"
By the way, here is the original Boston Globe article that is different than the NY Daily News one:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/03/12/catholic-memorial-students-chant-anti-semitic-taunts-newton-basketball-game/SYNt0ozzZm84DiRoSmMRMM/story.html
HeartoftheMidwest
(309 posts)...that's the problem of communicating in text. Having been born Catholic, and raised Cat'lick, I just don't see where this nasty streak is coming from. I wasn't surrounded by it in my youth....maybe I was just raised by good and decent people. But then young people often do stupid things.
I understand trash talk. It's mostly a guy thing. But to go from, "we're all guys here, let's talk trash among ourselves" to "let's bring centuries of ugly racial hatred into it" is a big step.
And I did read the original article you linked to before; again, there's no report of any taunt that would merit the "nuclear option."
But with anti-Semitism and other hatreds on the rise worldwide again, I find the Catholic youths' slur particularly offensive. I'm glad you're on the side of the angels.
adigal
(7,581 posts)and you won't find a bigger bunch of bigoted white, Irish and Italian Catholics anywhere. Most of the parishes are lily white, and I know for a fact that all of my husband's sisters and brother and my sister and brother are all bigots. Most of my nieces and nephews are bigots, also, except for the one or two who got away to college. They all went to Catholic schools from K to 12 across the island: Rosebank, Oakwood, Eltingville, Arrochar, Tottenville. Bigots, all of them.
I raised my kids liberal Christian and now I'm a nature person, and my kids are open-minded, accepting and wonderful. So glad I escaped the Catholic faith and the life that they all have down there.
HeartoftheMidwest
(309 posts)Left the church as a young person and never looked back.
Found a deeper and more meaningful spiritual experience directly from the Scriptures.
ToxMarz
(2,169 posts)It is to throw the best thing you got at 'em and do a mic drop. Both side we're inappropriate, one made Jewish slur, the other questioned their "manhood" (which to a teenage male is probably worse than slamming their religion). They are teenagers, and most teenagers still need a good deal of training
Zira
(1,054 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,027 posts)I see you are new here, so, welcome !
Zira
(1,054 posts)sadly, I'm already making faux pas. I will learn the culture here.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,027 posts)to sort thru the snark and often hardened positions here. This OP ("original post or poster" seems to fall into that category.
Zira
(1,054 posts)Sorry, I missed that before.
And I see that Donald Trump is inspiring racism at the High School level:
" In the middle of February a group of largely white students at Dallas Center-Grimes in Des Moines began chanting "Trump" after they lost to a school with many Hispanic students.
A similar incident happened when members of Andrean High School taunted Bishop Noll Institute with a giant cut-out of Donald Trump's head and a chant of "build that wall."
Behind the Aegis
(54,044 posts)That is just the misdirection to make the anti-Semitism seem like it isn't as bad as it is. The were commenting on the fact they were at an all-male school, not their sexual orientations. However, the other team was attacking the other students' religious/ethnic backgrounds. There are some who don't think anti-Semitism is "all that bad" and any example of it must be met with "but...but...there are things worse in the world."
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)Sounds like students on BOTH sides have been taught to
believe absurdities... per Voltaire, we all know where that leads.
As apposed to taking petty sides, let us work to
lift the burdensome yolk of religion.
Journeyman
(15,043 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
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Bernardo de La Paz
(49,064 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)OK, it's old fashioned anti-Semitism, but that's Western civilization's boilerplate for xenophobia, Islamophobia, the trans-Atlantic slave trade and the persecution of black people that followed it, homophobia, etc., etc.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)In west Roxbury, Massachusetts.
cstanleytech
(26,347 posts)a unacceptable and behaving like that is one of those things.
21st Century Poet
(254 posts)They are children. They were taunted first by the other team. Get both sides to apologise and shake hands. Give them some extra homework if you have to. End of story. When you inflate things up to extreme proportions, they have a tendency of blowing up in your face. Avoid it.
cstanleytech
(26,347 posts)they already know that some things are unacceptable and they need to be firmly shown that and suspending the schools sports teams or atleast making it so they cannot attend any events with other schools teams for a year or two is such a way.
47of74
(18,470 posts)That's exactly what would have happened when I was growing up.
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)I disagree. I think they should take this as an opportunity to educate the students not punish them which may actually harden their feelings against the other religion.
rockfordfile
(8,709 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,027 posts)cstanleytech
(26,347 posts)the school and the team should be held responsible.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,027 posts)up your sports progress and adding suspension to your record?
I don't know about you, but there were a lot of real jerks at my high school. That didn't make the rest us jerks. Just like the horrible Trump supporters now don't represent all Americans.
adigal
(7,581 posts)That's just the way life goes.
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)That was the point, after all. He died for our sins, a blood sacrifice, and rising from the grave to show his dominion over death (and opening Heaven to those who had died before him) capped the deal. The Jews? The Romans? Herod? Judas? Just pawns in God's three (or more) dimensional scenario.
The kids at the Catholic school were way out of line. The teaching staff were the ones who should have apologized. The first thing I learned in an all male, ICB college was that no, the jews did not kill Christ.
It was all in God's plan.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)responsibility for our sins.
Gore1FL
(21,164 posts)Everybody knows Col Mustard did it in the library with the knife.
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)I wonder if they ever considered what religion Jesus was?
whathehell
(29,102 posts)Beyond the fact of all of it happening two thousand years ago, of course.
Oh well. It:s hard to argue with stupid.
Chef Eric
(1,024 posts)Separately, they can bring out the absolute worst in some people.
Mix 'em together, and you've got a problem.
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)"The chant reportedly came in response to Newton fans chants about the Catholic school being all-boys, referring to it as a sausage fest.
Didn't he see this as an anti-gay slur?
It's all contemptible.
Behind the Aegis
(54,044 posts)But, I do love the spin, trying to make the taunts comparable. "Sausage fest" refers to an "all male environment". And, from other articles, Fleishman is addressing the taunts from his side as well. It never fails, the article is about anti-Semitism and it becomes, "but, but...the other..."
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)But your post does. As usual, any hint of objectivity is lacking and becomes "spin."
Sausage fest refers to an all-male environment? And what is implied by that? Gee, I wonder.
Conveniently the other articles weren't posted and I bet that was because they didn't fit the completely one-sided anti-Semitic meme. Talk about spin.
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Greybnk48
(10,180 posts)"Jesus was a Jew!" "Jesus was a Jew!" That'll shut 'em up.
MissKat
(218 posts)Just wait until Trump decides to make Jews the enemy. Because it's coming.
I hope that Bernie is ready.
Trump is an equal opportunity hater. If hating someone helps his opportunity--Trump will pour on the hate and he will get his followers to join in.
It's time to get working, working together. If we don't, Trump will use whatever division he sees and use it to his advantage.
I thought his campaign was a joke. A farce.
I'm not laughing any more.
Behind the Aegis
(54,044 posts)That much is obvious by some of the rhetoric coming from his supporters and by those who are actually endorsing him. The real question is: "will it matter?" It is obvious to me when the topic is anti-Semitism, there are more than a few who like to dismiss it, make it about something else, or feign concern about another group not affected.
Anti-Semitism is something which has never left the stage, it just isn't front and center, and therefore, to some, not important.
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)Just like I witnessed firsthand in the sixties.
Behind the Aegis
(54,044 posts)They are just trying to make Germany great again....er, I mean America. Ooops.
elljay
(1,178 posts)We Jews are going to get a pass from the Trump hate-fest. His daughter, Ivanka, is an observant Jew. In addition, Trump is a New Yorker and his circle of friends and business partners is likely heavily Jewish. He's not going to burn those bridges. Now, that is not to say that his followers won't head down that path, but I don't see The Donald going there.
Behind the Aegis
(54,044 posts)It will be...
That works for many, on both sides.
elljay
(1,178 posts)after all, Bernie is now a Communist and we all know about the Communist-Jew connection.
We'll see more after Tuesday, when either the secular fascist Trump wins enough delegates to be the leader going into the conventionor is knocked off the pedestal by the self-appointed Messiah fascist Cruz. Damn, that choice is like deciding whether you prefer a guillotine or firing squad.
adigal
(7,581 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)you are NOT a Christian."
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)If polled I wonder if they think Trump is GREAT! too.
Submariner
(12,513 posts)just like all other non-catholics and mortal sinners."
"Flames will lick at every pore of your body and the crusty red flesh will not fall off and no matter how much you wish it, and you will not die so that the awful burning pain will stop, because you are a sinner and must suffer the consequences forever."
Sister Perpetual Agony and her colleagues at the Immaculate Conception elementary school and church of the Roman Catholic Church of Child Rape in Cambridge filled our skulls with that garbage for the 8 fucking years I survived there. I look back on it now as child abuse and terroristic teaching. I would have those assholes prosecuted if they pulled that shit on kids nowadays.
What a disappointment it was to be a little kid in 2nd, 3rd, 4th, grades, etc and hear nothing but fucking hate hate hate spewing from their hateful mouths every gawd damn day.
I'm afraid you, and others in your denomination, will keep seeing and hearing this "you killed Jesus" crap until this psychotic belief in imaginary sky people comes to an end. Unfortunately, that will not happen in our lifetime, especially while conservatives control what goes into school textbooks and class curriculum. Probably another century or so if we survive as a species for that long.
60 years later and they are still teaching this you killed jesus crap?!? It makes me sick I was ever part of that fucked up school system.
My apologies from myself and other lapsed catholics that you still put up with that shit.
whathehell
(29,102 posts)from any nun, priest or lay person in the school and this was back in the 50's and 60's.
Catholic teachings do NOT maintain that only Catholics get to heaven, nor do they condemn Jews and other non-catholics to hell. I don't know your pscho in Cambridge who and no one taught that
Mixed marriages between Catholics, Protestants and Jews are allowed and performed...I don't know who that psycho in tCambridge was, but his or her whack job utterances are NOT reflective of catholic teaching.
Kingofalldems
(38,503 posts)This seems to be a Catholic bashing thread.
whathehell
(29,102 posts)Can't help but wonder if this 'repeat' isn't just a second attempt to bring out the Catholic bashers.
It's dubious in my view. -- The very fact of Inter-faith alliances.and the easy acceptance of inter-faith marriage argues against it.
Submariner
(12,513 posts)Matter of fact, I don't believe I ever even heard the word anti-semitic until I got out of the Navy and went back to school.
The nuns and priests labeled ALL NON-catholics as sinners in the archdiocese of Boston from 1952-60. There were no individual psycho nuns, they all taught the same line of crap that ALL non-catholics would burn in hell.
I had Dominican nuns in high school (1961-64) and the propaganda changed to state that IF the non-catholics truly believed in their own religion, and that they led good lives, they would only go to purgatory instead of hell. I think this was about the same time as that Vatican 2 transformation where god came to the pope and said that catholics could start eating meat on Fridays without going to hell for it.
By high school I was worn out by the meanness and was not paying much attention to church teachings anymore. I was further repulsed that this Jesus character supposedly showed up in 1960 and had the pope "update" church teachings. How did that happen without anyone else witnessing the event??? Total mythology..
Don't kid yourself for a moment that their practices were not reflective of catholic teaching. You must have belonged to a very lenient parish.
Kingofalldems
(38,503 posts)once in high school the brothers taught 'following one's conscience' was sufficient.
whathehell
(29,102 posts)There was no 'hell -going' for good people of other faiths and the idea that the Archdiocese of Philadelphia was in any way 'liberal' is a joke -- It was
well-known as one of the most conservative in the country.
This 'meanness' and hate toward other religions was just not part of my experience, nor, it seems, of most others here, so I'm afraid I'm sticking to my
initial impression, that being that you were taught by a couple of whack jobs bringing their own interpretation to the matter.
lordsummerisle
(4,651 posts)I thought Jesus was a Jew...?
NCjack
(10,279 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)but Right Wing ones (hi Bibi) are orthodox , they would , yet Republicans love those.
deathrind
(1,786 posts)The bible is "upsetting and troubling and highly insensitive...
Could not agree more.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)Those yamaka dudes must have done nothing but study the Torah, shoot hoops and learn trash talk.
They gave as good as they got.
BTW, the appropriate response to the you killed Jesus chant is we'd do it again. That shut our side up.
LeftishBrit
(41,212 posts)PS according to the Bible it was the Romans who killed Jesus, anyway.
keithbvadu2
(37,008 posts)'You molest little boys'.
The Catholic chanters might get a little irate.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)Two can play that game. Stones and glass houses. . .at least we can prove Catholic priests molest children. Prove Jesus exists and then prove he was white!
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Truly the Catholic church bears a great deal of blame for centuries of hate propagation.
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)His "on Jews and their lies" was the basis for the Final Solution.
It set out a step-by-step guide for dehumanizing Jewish people, stripping them of civil rights, and eventual concentration camps.
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Journeyman
(15,043 posts)with the proper response, so I'll just bid you adieu.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Religious schools need LESS Bible, Koran and Torah and MORE real History about the rise of those 3 religion-governments from the SAME People. Ancient religions are all intertwined especially those three.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)My ex used to coach football at a very diverse Catholic school and one game when playing a very white Catholic school the players found themselves being called racial slurs by the players, My guys response was to his players was " shut your mouths and beat them on the field, let them say whatever they want to say" That group of really diverse kids beat the pants off the racists
There is still racism in Massachusetts.
They_Live
(3,242 posts)your religion doesn't work. Ironic.
Initech
(100,129 posts)Zira
(1,054 posts)Christ was a Jew.
ripcord
(5,553 posts)YES WE DID! YES WE DID!
applegrove
(118,880 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Helllooooo!
whathehell
(29,102 posts)I attended Catholic school 50 years ago and never heard such silliness...We're definitely going backwards.
markpkessinger
(8,409 posts). . . then all those protesting Christians' sins would never have been forgiven. I mean, God either sent his son to die for the sins of the world or he didn't, right? Ingrates!
24601
(3,966 posts)"Germans?"
"Let him go, he's on a roll."