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mobeau69

(11,175 posts)
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 10:29 PM Feb 2017

UC Berkeley cancels Milo Yiannopoulos event amid violent protest

Source: San Francisco Chronicle

After a protest at UC Berkeley turned violent, campus officials shut down a scheduled speech by right-wing provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos.

The Breitbart News editor was set to deliver a speech inside a UC Berkeley campus building but hundreds of protesters began throwing
fireworks and pulling down the barricades police set up to keep people from rushing into the building.

The Berkeley Police Department said people were throwing bricks, smoking objects, and fireworks at police officers. Protesters took down a light pole and the building where the event was to be held had windows broken.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Protesters-storm-Milo-Yiannopoulos-event-at-UC-10901829.php



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UC Berkeley cancels Milo Yiannopoulos event amid violent protest (Original Post) mobeau69 Feb 2017 OP
Who are the idiot jerks who turned that legitimate protest violent and committed crimes? Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #1
You know who this guy is? thejoker123 Feb 2017 #53
He was invited zentrum Feb 2017 #59
yep he's their beloved token now starshine00 Feb 2017 #95
Exactly An Openly Gay Catholic Becoming A Symbol For A White Supremacist Anti Gay Far Right Wing? Corey_Baker08 Feb 2017 #159
I think he just got drunk on the fumes of his internet fandom starshine00 Feb 2017 #164
Looks like rioting to. me leftynyc Feb 2017 #70
This is a college campus, not a public street thejoker123 Feb 2017 #75
YES leftynyc Feb 2017 #80
Excellent statement nt 7962 Feb 2017 #83
Concur... adamskru Feb 2017 #86
Those prominent progressives leftynyc Feb 2017 #87
It is horrifying Yupster Feb 2017 #96
Was the Black Bloc. zentrum Feb 2017 #118
Could very well be leftynyc Feb 2017 #121
I think there's zentrum Feb 2017 #122
I thought the same thing leftynyc Feb 2017 #123
wouldn't be surprised that this was a right wing hate group in disguise RegexReader Feb 2017 #141
Yes, and I don't care leftynyc Feb 2017 #74
Normally I'd agree, but not in this case. thejoker123 Feb 2017 #76
Would you care to explain leftynyc Feb 2017 #81
You're confusing hypocrisy with nuance thejoker123 Feb 2017 #108
You're trying to move the goalposts leftynyc Feb 2017 #109
Not sure how I'm moving the goalposts? thejoker123 Feb 2017 #116
Yes, Yes, and Yes leftynyc Feb 2017 #120
Well we'll just have to agree to disagree thejoker123 Feb 2017 #156
I'm a free speech absolutist leftynyc Feb 2017 #157
honestly my feeling lately is starshine00 Feb 2017 #97
I have zero problem leftynyc Feb 2017 #101
I have a problem with people not understanding why it is not something the left should endorse starshine00 Feb 2017 #113
I don't really see people endorsing it leftynyc Feb 2017 #115
that's the main reason I deleted my twitter starshine00 Feb 2017 #124
I have no idea leftynyc Feb 2017 #125
This! Glad they shut that POS down! Shouldn't be allowed to spew his vile Nazi rhetoric on any campus or anywhere else. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2017 #84
The media call it 'rioting' Abouttime Feb 2017 #92
the media seem to want to call it rioting even if someone just farts starshine00 Feb 2017 #137
You got that right! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2017 #145
So you think violence is the answer? I know who he is, but violence is NOT the answer. Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #93
News reports this morning zentrum Feb 2017 #117
Thanks for the update, zentrum. Good to hear students were peaceful. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #129
they have been infiltrated in the past starshine00 Feb 2017 #149
Nixon did false flag stuff to make the left look bad, expect Trump/Bannon/Putin to do it tenfold MrPurple Feb 2017 #151
"Bricks at police officers?" WTF? nt MadDAsHell Feb 2017 #2
Either plants or Anarchists PatrynXX Feb 2017 #3
Hmmm, O'Keefe? Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #4
Wouldn't surprise me. n/t mobeau69 Feb 2017 #18
Anarchists. mwdem Feb 2017 #94
the Blac Blockers who supposedly punched Richard Spencer starshine00 Feb 2017 #98
Echoes of 1968-72 bucolic_frolic Feb 2017 #5
So how are they suppose to do it? triron Feb 2017 #22
Democrats and all proper-thinking leftists use non-violence and if you are suggesting KittyWampus Feb 2017 #28
I don't think peaceful protests triron Feb 2017 #38
yep, if we give up non-violence we are finished starshine00 Feb 2017 #150
Hell no! dawn frenzy adams Feb 2017 #44
Agreed jodymarie aimee Feb 2017 #106
Fascism was eradicated by killing fascists. EL34x4 Feb 2017 #128
Turn up to vote LittleBlue Feb 2017 #60
Would it turn you? hunter Feb 2017 #107
That's not how independents think, though LittleBlue Feb 2017 #119
no, I wonder why these people are being stupid and destructive. kwassa Feb 2017 #162
I disagree. Polite people do not change the world. Evil always demands "politeness" and "respect." hunter Feb 2017 #163
It definitely WILL go that way. pangaia Feb 2017 #48
I think you are right triron Feb 2017 #55
I was there; I don't see an echoes MosheFeingold Feb 2017 #103
"In the 60s and 70s there was at least a point to the violence" FiveGoodMen Feb 2017 #134
Huh? MosheFeingold Feb 2017 #146
Well, I don't know any of the specifics, but... FiveGoodMen Feb 2017 #148
Still not sure I understand MosheFeingold Feb 2017 #158
It's confusing trying to understand your last post when the first said... FiveGoodMen Feb 2017 #160
Sure MosheFeingold Feb 2017 #161
Doesn't surprise me at UC Berkeley triron Feb 2017 #6
The sad thing is this is only enforcing Milo's message. Initech Feb 2017 #35
I think this was their whole goal caraher Feb 2017 #41
and you do? olddad56 Feb 2017 #64
I don't know about this. Freedom of speech applies to everyone, even dickheads like Milo. Calista241 Feb 2017 #7
Thank you for being an oasis of common sense 7962 Feb 2017 #11
Your point is well taken, but I still support massive NON-VIOLENT protests against racist speakers groundloop Feb 2017 #21
Non violent being the main point. These protests more often ARE violent. 7962 Feb 2017 #82
Problem is that Milo dehumanizes transgender people in his speech alp227 Feb 2017 #51
Why would I want to defend it? Calista241 Feb 2017 #71
But he doesn't have the right to a platform TimeChaser Feb 2017 #102
Who determines his "right to a platform?" Calista241 Feb 2017 #131
He got the right to a platform when he was invited Yupster Feb 2017 #139
I don't see how targeted harassment of individual students is protected speech -nt Bradical79 Feb 2017 #155
No one defends what he says MosheFeingold Feb 2017 #105
"Free Speech" doesn't guarantee him a polite venue. hunter Feb 2017 #112
Tell that to my colleague... a la izquierda Feb 2017 #127
The only thing I feel like saying right now is .. ananda Feb 2017 #8
Live Stream mobeau69 Feb 2017 #9
Wasn't Berkeley home of the Free Speech Movement? Throd 2.0 Feb 2017 #10
Only if its speech they agree with apparently 7962 Feb 2017 #12
Yes the protesters are using violence to silence free speech, Yupster Feb 2017 #23
How is giving a platform to a white supremist free speech?.... Tikki Feb 2017 #24
Milo is a vicious and racist misogynist. He was banned from Twitter and Facebook for good reason anneboleyn Feb 2017 #26
These same types also stopped a speech by Condi Rice 7962 Feb 2017 #85
I think he is still on Facebook blueseas Feb 2017 #110
Yes. Throd 2.0 Feb 2017 #27
You have an interesting interpretation of free speech. MadDAsHell Feb 2017 #62
As was pointed out to me..Berkely is a public education institution, not a private school. Tikki Feb 2017 #69
Yes. lapislzi Feb 2017 #100
The university didn't invite him olddad56 Feb 2017 #65
Big difference - alp227 Feb 2017 #52
When he came to the University of Washington, someone got shot. LisaM Feb 2017 #13
It was one of the ANTIFA protesters. torius Feb 2017 #47
He was also cancelled at UC Davis kimbutgar Feb 2017 #14
He is a vicious misogynist. Don't let his martyr act fool ANYONE. He hates and agitates anneboleyn Feb 2017 #17
Universities should know better than to invite these fucking assholes to speak. Initech Feb 2017 #45
Yeah-Milo is a hate monger who spews hate speech Gothmog Feb 2017 #15
I don't think anyone is disputing that. Throd 2.0 Feb 2017 #29
They don't need to invite him though cilla4progress Feb 2017 #54
They don't need to riot though. Inkfreak Feb 2017 #78
I'm not familiar with that part of campus. RandySF Feb 2017 #16
Milo is a provocateur and vicious misogynist who will do anything for attention and plays the martyr anneboleyn Feb 2017 #19
Yay, Fox is covering Milo live. Because Milo needs more attention! Barf. Golden Bears forever! anneboleyn Feb 2017 #25
It was a win win situation for Milo whether the appearance took place or not Henry Krinkle Feb 2017 #20
No group is more vile than Westboro Baptist Church... and there's ways to allow KittyWampus Feb 2017 #30
You are correct 7962 Feb 2017 #79
The protest organizers were not the ones who encouraged the violence. Doreen Feb 2017 #31
The vast majority are peaceful. mobeau69 Feb 2017 #32
My boyfriend does not suit up for protesting he just goes in Doreen Feb 2017 #33
My thoughts too. The Cal students are mostly peaceful. I am a Cal grad, and it is horrible to see anneboleyn Feb 2017 #34
These black suited anarchist guys Yupster Feb 2017 #36
the ones wearing fancy gear are paid. KittyWampus Feb 2017 #39
By who? Yupster Feb 2017 #42
I don't know who. But I hope you're not going to suggest it hasn't happened in America before KittyWampus Feb 2017 #43
It's scary Yupster Feb 2017 #46
There are a lot torius Feb 2017 #50
COINTELPRO orangecrush Feb 2017 #132
I want you to think how stupid that theory is. Gravitycollapse Feb 2017 #136
The police chief himself orangecrush Feb 2017 #144
Why do the police never zentrum Feb 2017 #152
They do this. Initech Feb 2017 #40
I tend to think torius Feb 2017 #49
Check Twitter - the asshole brigade is out in full force right now. Initech Feb 2017 #57
I personally wouldn't use violence unless the fascist elmac Feb 2017 #37
Black Bloc again most likely. NewDealProgressive Feb 2017 #56
I am so fucking pissed at Berkeley right now I can't see straight. Initech Feb 2017 #58
who are you refering to when you say you are pissed at Berkeley? olddad56 Feb 2017 #66
What's ironic is he still gets paid. But now, for doing nothing. nt MadDAsHell Feb 2017 #61
True. Though Milo's campus talks are pretty malicious. Bradical79 Feb 2017 #154
Video Bonx Feb 2017 #63
one good thing came out of this, UCLA rescinded the invitation for him to speak there tomorrow. olddad56 Feb 2017 #67
Counter-Sting Catches James OKeefe Network Attempting To Sow Chaos At Trumps Inauguration tenderfoot Feb 2017 #68
I believe it was the Black Bloc watoos Feb 2017 #72
"There were no arrests." WTF? same all dressed in black, masked faced people, bricks at police. Sunlei Feb 2017 #73
RESIST what? Inkfreak Feb 2017 #77
The vast majority were peaceful mobeau69 Feb 2017 #88
I want to see arrest papers, mug shots rainy Feb 2017 #89
Reportedly the number of arrests last night was Yupster Feb 2017 #99
What kind of idiots invited him to begin with? malthaussen Feb 2017 #90
When I was in college, some of the local GOP groups invited some pro-Reagan columnists to speak... brooklynite Feb 2017 #91
The "alt-right" are not your Reagan-era republicans TimeChaser Feb 2017 #104
That is what we need to say blueseas Feb 2017 #111
As I recall, many pro Reagan people were pretty damned Nazi. hunter Feb 2017 #114
These Black Bloc protestors... potone Feb 2017 #126
Antifa and black bloc groups are real. Gravitycollapse Feb 2017 #133
"There WERE NO ARRESTS" orangecrush Feb 2017 #130
Interesting point! FiveGoodMen Feb 2017 #135
I seems to me as if Yiannopoulos is promoting hate speech. Little Tich Feb 2017 #138
Each college has a written policy Yupster Feb 2017 #140
Perhaps UC Berkeley should have a policy against promoting hate speech then... n/t Little Tich Feb 2017 #142
perhaps but they better put that policy in writing Yupster Feb 2017 #143
agree, and especially given that Berkley is a public university onetexan Feb 2017 #147
Seriously Single drop Feb 2017 #153
 

thejoker123

(279 posts)
53. You know who this guy is?
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:31 AM
Feb 2017

What publication he's from? The shit he stands for?

The only valid question is WTF was this guy doing speaking at a college, let alone Berkeley?

This attempt to make his ilk some sort of valid "other side" of a political debate is obscene. They're lucky there wasn't fucking riots.

zentrum

(9,866 posts)
59. He was invited
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 01:29 AM
Feb 2017

...by the Young Republican Club, not by the University itself.

These are the clubs that began about 40 years ago to breed demons who grew up to run and advise the GOP. I think Rove arose from one of these breeding caldrons. It's where you make your spurs, get noticed. I guess they wanted Breitbart/Bannon/Trump to reward them.

 

starshine00

(531 posts)
95. yep he's their beloved token now
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:03 PM
Feb 2017

How self-hating do you have to be to throw yourself into the hands of people that would see you dead. Talk about base opportunism, kind of like the women's march opportunistically utilizing Linda Sarsour who is pro-sharia law and tweets lovingly about how great women have it in Saudi Arabia because they have 10 months of maternity leave and who cares about driving... Reactionary politics on both sides of the aisle right now are completely nauseating.

Corey_Baker08

(2,157 posts)
159. Exactly An Openly Gay Catholic Becoming A Symbol For A White Supremacist Anti Gay Far Right Wing?
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 11:50 AM
Feb 2017

He must be punishing himself...

 

starshine00

(531 posts)
164. I think he just got drunk on the fumes of his internet fandom
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 02:44 PM
Feb 2017

I see that happening to a lot of young voices and the truth is that internet stardom like his and like most have is worthless because you don't know who you are pandering to. I saw an interview where a journalist quoted him several years ago saying something like he would always defend people against hate speech, he sounded very passionate at the time but now he has been completely corrupted because at some point he gave up whatever principles he had back then for followers. Now he's ruined, literally, and he's too young to know it.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
70. Looks like rioting to. me
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 05:56 AM
Feb 2017

Free speech means having to hear stuff you find obscene. And you don't even have to hear it...unless you attend the speech. Protest the cretin...rioting is unacceptable.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
80. YES
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 08:54 AM
Feb 2017

WTF is wrong with everyone here? First, the university didn't invite him, the GOP club did. Second, the ACLU - the same organization that is going to bat for the Muslims effected by that hideous ban, is the same organization that took up the cause of nazis that wanted to march in the streets in a mostly Jewish town. THAT'S WHAT FREE SPEECH IS ALL ABOUT. All these rioters did was crap all over a powerful message and change the story to violent assholes who have the self control of children.

adamskru

(1 post)
86. Concur...
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 09:38 AM
Feb 2017

You made an excellent statement that mirrors my stance on this incident. It would be helpful if some prominent progressives would speak out against denying the civil right of free speech to someone merely because you find their message to be repugnant. And, yes, what the ACLU did for the NSPA in Skokie, IL had to be done. Those UC Berkeley students et al. need to be reminded of that historically important event.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
87. Those prominent progressives
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 09:41 AM
Feb 2017

need to denounce the violence FIRST. That so many on DU don't see the damage done to our cause by this is making me crazy. That they truly don't seem to get the concept of free speech is horrifying.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
96. It is horrifying
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:04 PM
Feb 2017

People seem to think that free speech only covers speech up to a certain line and they get to draw that line.

Then they can use violence to shut down anyone who crosses their line.

It really is horrifying.

zentrum

(9,866 posts)
118. Was the Black Bloc.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 03:53 PM
Feb 2017

Outside group. Not students. NPR reports as of today.

Black Bloc specializes in messing up peaceful demonstrations. IMO they are RW plants.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
121. Could very well be
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 03:59 PM
Feb 2017

Then it's time to get the cops involved and SPEAK OUT LOUDLY AGAINST THE VIOLENCE.

zentrum

(9,866 posts)
122. I think there's
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 04:07 PM
Feb 2017

.....a kind of prove. Not just speculation. They wore black masks and black hats. What I don't understand is why the Berkeley police didn't arrest more of them so we could unmask them and get to the bottom of who they are.

Everything is so weird now.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
123. I thought the same thing
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 04:09 PM
Feb 2017

on inauguration day. ALL the proof I needed was the next day when millions protested and there was zero violence and zero arrests. I always suspect right wingers causing trouble. Always.

RegexReader

(416 posts)
141. wouldn't be surprised that this was a right wing hate group in disguise
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 09:14 PM
Feb 2017

running a false flag operation to smear us and provide cover for future violence against our own peaceful demonstrations.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
74. Yes, and I don't care
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 08:26 AM
Feb 2017

NOW the story is about the rioting and only about the rioting. The message is lost and the cretin can now claim victim status. The rioters fucked things up for everyone else and all because they have the self control of children having a temper tantrum.

 

thejoker123

(279 posts)
108. You're confusing hypocrisy with nuance
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 01:16 PM
Feb 2017

Should the administrators of a college allow the KKK to hold a rally and speak at their school just because some want it?

Where is the line, or is there no line in your book?

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
109. You're trying to move the goalposts
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 01:21 PM
Feb 2017

and I'm not going allow you to do that. But in answer to your question, I'm an absolutist on the first amendment as long as no crime is being committed (like the klan busting their way into a synagogue or a mosque). That said, while that bottle blond asshole is noxious, he's not the klan and he was invited to give a speech. He didn't invade anywhere. I have no problems with peaceful protests but will speak out about violence done every single time. ESPECIALLY when it steps on a powerful message that is now buried under the bullshit.

 

thejoker123

(279 posts)
116. Not sure how I'm moving the goalposts?
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 03:46 PM
Feb 2017

Look, I feel I need to clarify here that a college campus is NOT a public street. That point is critical in this discussion and my point. I would never argue that this right wing prick doesn't have every right to stand on a street and preach his hate and ignorance.

But a college is not a public space. They have a responsibility to uphold basic standards. You may not think this guy represents the new KKK, but a lot of us do. I recommend you visit Breitbart and the comment section for a few weeks and see if you feel differently.

This brings us back to my point. Should a college allow the KKK to speak just because a handful of racist assholes want it, or do they have a responsibility to their students and society to not provide such a platform?

Btw, I am not condoning the violence, my point was this racist right wing demagogue from a notoriously white supremacist website should never have been allowed to speak ON CAMPUS at a SANCTIONED EVENT. To the extent that he was, furious outrage that became protests that had potential for violence should have been expected if not predicted.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
120. Yes, Yes, and Yes
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 03:58 PM
Feb 2017

If they're invited, they get to speak. Protest until the cows come home but once you get violent, I want nothing to do with you because you (not you, specifically, I hope that's clear) have now made the violence the story rather than the important message like hatred sucks. You don't change people's minds with rioting and violence - you make them look at what the other side is saying, shine a light on it and make them see it for the hateful bullshit it is. NOBODY is talking about that cretin being a cretin today. NOBODY. All you're seeing is the violence.

 

thejoker123

(279 posts)
156. Well we'll just have to agree to disagree
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 11:01 AM
Feb 2017

Not on the violence, but on any college short of Liberty University providing a platform for just anyone, which unless I'm misunderstanding is what you believe.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
157. I'm a free speech absolutist
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 11:16 AM
Feb 2017

That's how you change minds - shining a light on the hatred, bullying, bullshit the other side is proud of advertising. Not by smashing windows.

 

starshine00

(531 posts)
97. honestly my feeling lately is
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:04 PM
Feb 2017

the kind of sentiments you just expressed are not entirely welcome on the left right now, where we boldly punch nazi's in the face on the street, for breathing.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
101. I have zero problem
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:34 PM
Feb 2017

with spencer getting punched in the face. As long as the person punching realizes there could be consequences (if they ever catch him). But free speech is not something liberals or conservatives get to decide. It just is.

 

starshine00

(531 posts)
113. I have a problem with people not understanding why it is not something the left should endorse
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 01:50 PM
Feb 2017

and not understanding that non-violence and passive resistance are long-held principles on the left for a reason. The amount of praise over this act was nauseating to me. I don't even recognize my own left these days.

Not even going into the fact that we always need to ask 'cui bono' when something like this happens, blac block has been CIA infiltrated in the past...everything is just so stooopid right now.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
115. I don't really see people endorsing it
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 02:25 PM
Feb 2017

It's just waaaaaaaaaay down on my list of things to concern myself with these days. I basically shrugged my shoulders and moved onto real problems that effect me far more than a self described nazi getting punched.

 

starshine00

(531 posts)
124. that's the main reason I deleted my twitter
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 04:51 PM
Feb 2017

I wasn't talking about here per se. Wonderful chatting with you. :eyeroll:

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
125. I have no idea
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 04:56 PM
Feb 2017

why you feel the need to passive/aggressively condescend to me but if it makes you feel better, knock yourself out.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,128 posts)
84. This! Glad they shut that POS down! Shouldn't be allowed to spew his vile Nazi rhetoric on any campus or anywhere else.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 09:09 AM
Feb 2017
 

Abouttime

(675 posts)
92. The media call it 'rioting'
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 11:06 AM
Feb 2017

The truth is it's resistance, just like the free French during nazi occupation it is our duty to resist.
We are in uncharted territory here, we have never been occupied or defeated like the French.
We are living in a country ruled by a fascist and openly rascist leader who came to power in a stolen election.
Thank God there are a few patriots in our country willing to fight the fascists in the streets.

 

starshine00

(531 posts)
137. the media seem to want to call it rioting even if someone just farts
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 08:05 PM
Feb 2017

they really are getting their terminology confused, on purpose

zentrum

(9,866 posts)
117. News reports this morning
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 03:50 PM
Feb 2017

...are saying it was an outside group called The Black Bloc. They wear those black hats and masks. It wasn't students.

Report says that the students were trying to intervene to keep it peaceful.

Who knows who the Black Bloc really is? Could be RW provocateurs, which is what I think it is. They really mess up what liberals are trying to do.

 

starshine00

(531 posts)
149. they have been infiltrated in the past
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 12:54 AM
Feb 2017

I think a lot of plays are being taken out of Russia's playbook right now.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
3. Either plants or Anarchists
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 10:35 PM
Feb 2017

who almost always show up for these (Anarchist = far extreme Right wingers = no government) viola naturally they'd show up. Breightbart whatever the fuck... is probably more or less anti government so naturally they'd show up.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,098 posts)
4. Hmmm, O'Keefe?
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 10:37 PM
Feb 2017

The right-wing will say they were paid by Soros. They are so unimaginative with their fake news.

 

starshine00

(531 posts)
98. the Blac Blockers who supposedly punched Richard Spencer
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:07 PM
Feb 2017

have been infiltrated in the past by CIA (like every other left org.)

It is of course not unheard of that this would be the case here too. This is going to help the Donald in the end. Of course Milo shot himself in the foot with his attack on the Ghostbuster's actress. He lost whatever national audience he might have had, the same as how Gamergate permanently invalidated the mens' rights slactivists...

bucolic_frolic

(43,609 posts)
5. Echoes of 1968-72
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 10:38 PM
Feb 2017

Not good to see things going in this direction. People feel they are
being ignored and silenced, and they are angry. This is no way to
vent the frustrations.

triron

(22,038 posts)
22. So how are they suppose to do it?
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:05 PM
Feb 2017

Congress has just rolled over. Media is complicit.
You think we would have won our independence from the UK
with peaceful protests?

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
28. Democrats and all proper-thinking leftists use non-violence and if you are suggesting
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:19 PM
Feb 2017

violence then please don't show up at protests. Or go do your damage off in a corner so the police don't harm innocent bystanders.

triron

(22,038 posts)
38. I don't think peaceful protests
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:46 PM
Feb 2017

will stop Trump from ruining our nation or quite likely the entire planet.
I hope I am wrong.

 

starshine00

(531 posts)
150. yep, if we give up non-violence we are finished
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 12:57 AM
Feb 2017

martial law. I can't believe how many people I see bending like willows in this situation. cui bono people, cui bono.

 

jodymarie aimee

(3,975 posts)
106. Agreed
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 01:11 PM
Feb 2017

my old stomping grounds in 1969-1971. We were protesting the War. Cops with rifles and bayonets were 2 feet from my head. I even had a dress and pantyhose on. I say Bravo young ones. And thank you.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
128. Fascism was eradicated by killing fascists.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 05:38 PM
Feb 2017

And being willing to sacrifice about five times the number for every dead fascist.

This is what it took, though. Not smashing Starbucks windows.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
60. Turn up to vote
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 01:30 AM
Feb 2017

That's how we win. Burning shit and assaulting people will cause voters to turn on us.

hunter

(38,355 posts)
107. Would it turn you?
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 01:16 PM
Feb 2017


Reasonable people might think, "Wow, that guy really made those people angry! I wonder why?"

Unreasonable people are beyond reach, they're going to support the Nazis hell or high water.
 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
119. That's not how independents think, though
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 03:56 PM
Feb 2017

They are swayed by day-to-day news and don't necessarily hold ideological convictions like most at DU. These are the "which candidate would you rather have a beer with?" voters that got Bushler reelected.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
162. no, I wonder why these people are being stupid and destructive.
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 01:50 PM
Feb 2017

If they go the violent route, they have no chance of succeeding. Like the Weathermen back in the day.

hunter

(38,355 posts)
163. I disagree. Polite people do not change the world. Evil always demands "politeness" and "respect."
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 02:23 PM
Feb 2017

It's one way evil establishes and maintains it's power.

Ruffled feathers are not evidence of oppressive violence.

Shooting people, bombs and firebombs, tear gas and tasers, throwing rocks and bricks... that is violence.

A pie in the face, people locking arms to prevent passage, people shouting one another down... those are things that happen when people are angry. Nobody is killed or maimed, only feelings are hurt.

The "slippery slope" argument is another claim evil frequently hides behind.

Milo Yiannopoulos can go fuck himself with a cholla cactus. That's a metaphorical expression of my loathing of him and the racist, fascist, and other disgusting ideologies he represents. That doesn't mean I'm demanding he fuck himself with a cholla cactus, or even that I'm wishing him any other sort of physical harm.

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pangaia

(24,324 posts)
48. It definitely WILL go that way.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:22 AM
Feb 2017

The only hope for the USA is if the military refuses to follow orders.

Mark this date Feb 2,2017 Ground Hog Day. well,, almost...

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
103. I was there; I don't see an echoes
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:59 PM
Feb 2017

There is no excuse to prevent freedom of expression in this country, no matter how foul.

In the 60s and 70s there was at least a point to the violence.

This is just stupid.

And also counterproductive. They will make this guy famous and rich.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
134. "In the 60s and 70s there was at least a point to the violence"
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 07:47 PM
Feb 2017

And what was that?

Something worse than a fascist take-over or the USA?

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
146. Huh?
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 11:08 PM
Feb 2017

I am referring to the riot in Berkeley, which was to shut down some obnoxious commentator selling a book.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
148. Well, I don't know any of the specifics, but...
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 11:36 PM
Feb 2017

How is preventing the sale of a book more on point than stopping the college-sanctioned hate speech that ML would have presented?

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
158. Still not sure I understand
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 11:40 AM
Feb 2017

I oppose the violence, regardless. It's pointless.

I am also opposed to shutting down any kind of speech, no matter how foul. We can win on a fair exchange of ideas. No reason to be afraid of what idiots say.

In that regard, I am generally troubled by the concept of "hate speech." I'm not sure what it is. I get his ideas and statements are disgusting and foul, but who gets to defined what ideas are so foul they must be censored? And who judges and determines when something goes over the line?

The same force of government that can censor Milo can censor Dennis Kucinich or Michael Moore.

It's far better to ignore idiots like this.

All that happened with the Berkeley riots is they made this Milo person a celebrity and made his book a best seller.

That's not exactly useful.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
160. It's confusing trying to understand your last post when the first said...
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 12:17 PM
Feb 2017

"In the 60 and 70's there was at least a point to the violence"

...and now...

"I oppose the violence, regardless. It's pointless."

Those seem to be mutually exclusive.

As to the fact that censorship can go both ways ... yes it can and that's a good reason to avoid it.

However, there should be lines that we don't cross. Fascism should be one of them. We shouldn't need another World War to remind us of that.

Without 20 years of hate radio and Fox News propaganda and the religious right listening to hateful preachers, I don't think we'd be in the terrible place we are now.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
161. Sure
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 12:33 PM
Feb 2017

I probably should say, "I oppose violence except in extremely limited circumstances."

E.g, self-defense, WWII, that kind of thing.

But, no, I was not condoning the violence in the 60s. I was merely noting on the scale of logic of such things, it was more justifiable than burning a Starbucks to protest some asshat writer with foul opinions.

Sorry, English is not my first language, although I've spoken it now for 70 years.

I think my grammar in my brain is still German.

Initech

(100,165 posts)
35. The sad thing is this is only enforcing Milo's message.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:38 PM
Feb 2017

That the left are big meanie heads. I agree 100% with the riotrrs but this is making us look bad.

caraher

(6,279 posts)
41. I think this was their whole goal
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:59 PM
Feb 2017

Provoke a response they can use to tar anyone to the left of Paul Ryan as violent

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
7. I don't know about this. Freedom of speech applies to everyone, even dickheads like Milo.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 10:42 PM
Feb 2017

It's awful hypocritical of us to bar them from speaking, yet then complain, piss and moan when they do the same to us. If Trump (or other actors) tries to shut down the next BLM protest, he can rightfully point to protests like this.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
11. Thank you for being an oasis of common sense
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 10:48 PM
Feb 2017

But every time this stuff happens & its posted here, 95% of the posts either support it or say the protestors MUST be "plants"

groundloop

(11,543 posts)
21. Your point is well taken, but I still support massive NON-VIOLENT protests against racist speakers
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:03 PM
Feb 2017

I also have mixed feeling about giving them a voice, just the way I have mixed feeling about hearing out those that deny climate change, anti-vaxers, etc. Common decency, and scientific fact tells us that those people are dead wrong. Giving them a forum is like hearing out someone who claims the earth is flat.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
82. Non violent being the main point. These protests more often ARE violent.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 08:55 AM
Feb 2017

Our freedom of speech in the US allows people to make fools of themselves giving speeches. It also allows others to say they dont like those speeches. NONE of us have the right to forcibly STOP either side from speaking.
As is pointed out to me by a few people, why does it seem that most of these incidents of violent protests against speech are by people who would call themselves "liberals" or progressives? When was the last time a RW group stopped a left wing speaker from speaking at a university?
All these acts do is HELP those they protest against

alp227

(32,088 posts)
51. Problem is that Milo dehumanizes transgender people in his speech
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:29 AM
Feb 2017

Quotes by Milo:

"Never feel bad for mocking a transgender person. It is our job to point out their absurdity, to not make the problem worse by pretending they are normal. Much like fat-shaming, if our mockery drives them to get the help they need, we may save their life."

"...many trannies, or those that make up their own new gender, are not actually retarded. But they are deeply mentally damaged, and they are failed by a liberal establishment obsessed with making them feel good about themselves."

"...most gay people, if they were honest, would not choose to have been born homosexual."

Is that the kind of speech you want to defend?

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
71. Why would I want to defend it?
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 07:55 AM
Feb 2017

But he does have the right to SAY it.

And if some dumbass college republicans will pay his speaking fee at UC Berkeley, and if they follow all the other rules regarding guest speakers, then no I don't have a problem with it.

These protesters and rioters can loosely be looked at as "on our side". But that will not always be the case.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
131. Who determines his "right to a platform?"
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 06:25 PM
Feb 2017

Cause I definitely don't want the government deciding. In fact, I don't want anyone else deciding what I can and can't listen to.

And I doubt you do either. As recently as 2008, California passed an amendment to ban gay marriage. It's a slight shift to the right, or maybe on a rainy voting day, and places like DU and the Huffington Post are banned.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
139. He got the right to a platform when he was invited
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 09:04 PM
Feb 2017

to speak by a campus group which went through the normal invitation process the campus has determined by written policy.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
105. No one defends what he says
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 01:02 PM
Feb 2017

Merely his right to say it.

I worked to defend Klan Members and Nazis, to make sure our system works. They were ungrateful, hateful, foul, and called me all kinds of antisemitic names that I bet the filter here would reject.

hunter

(38,355 posts)
112. "Free Speech" doesn't guarantee him a polite venue.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 01:40 PM
Feb 2017

If he want's to stand on a soapbox in a public park screaming Nazi slogans and handing out Nazi literature, fine.

It will be a good day when these cowardly sniveling Nazis crawl back into their closets. The majority of U.S. Americans despise them.

Life is messy. "Following the rules" of free speech isn't always possible when the rules are written and enforced by fascists.

These college republicans are no different than the Westboro Baptist Church morons. They deserve every ounce of shit that's thrown at them.

And don't you dare compare this to any sort of civil rights protest, white mobs shutting down black civil rights speakers, etc. What if they do it to us? is not a valid argument.

Assholes like Milo Yiannopoulos want to take away our civil rights, rights which have been very hard won.

The right wing is not an oppressed minority deserving protection. They are the oppressors.






a la izquierda

(11,803 posts)
127. Tell that to my colleague...
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 05:31 PM
Feb 2017

Who has been targeted and harassed since Milo's visit to our campus in December.
At least check, my university lost a valuable faculty member.

ananda

(28,931 posts)
8. The only thing I feel like saying right now is ..
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 10:43 PM
Feb 2017

.. good for them!

Even though I know non-violence is better.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
23. Yes the protesters are using violence to silence free speech,
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:07 PM
Feb 2017

but in their defense, they didn't like what he was going to say.

Tikki

(14,567 posts)
24. How is giving a platform to a white supremist free speech?....
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:12 PM
Feb 2017

...should they allow a member of nambla to speak?

Tikki

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
85. These same types also stopped a speech by Condi Rice
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 09:19 AM
Feb 2017

You gonna call her the same names too? No. its very simple; no one has the right to stop another from speaking. Protest is a right as well, how violent did the Womens MArch get? It didnt, and their points were made.
All these acts do are get MORE people to look at the left as violent instigators because they keep doing this shit over and over. And until a few are arrested and ID'd as RW plants, thats the way it will stay

blueseas

(11,575 posts)
110. I think he is still on Facebook
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 01:25 PM
Feb 2017

How is hate speech protected by the First Amendment - any legal minds out there?

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
62. You have an interesting interpretation of free speech.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 02:19 AM
Feb 2017

You do realize the ACLU once helped Neo-Nazis get approved for the right to march, don't you?

lapislzi

(5,762 posts)
100. Yes.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:32 PM
Feb 2017

You are also free to heckle, boycott, drown out, throw soft fruit, and laugh at said speaker.

That is the EXACT meaning of free speech.

Is it unwise to speak publicly about nambla, racism, nazism, misogyny, and bigotry? Yes, probably, especially in an environment like UC Berkeley which is a poor platform for such views and not known for its support of hateful ideologies.

But I would never want to prohibit anyone from doing it.

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
65. The university didn't invite him
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 02:30 AM
Feb 2017

and they were not being hypocritical.

It wasn't the students that caused the violence. It wasn't the school that invited him. The school didn't stop the Young Republicans from inviting him because the school does believe in free speech. The school stepped in and canceled it before the violence escalated.

alp227

(32,088 posts)
52. Big difference -
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:30 AM
Feb 2017

The Free Speech Movement was for basic political activism to be allowed on campus in the first place, not necessarily to allow everything and anything no matter how reality detached to be expressed.

LisaM

(27,870 posts)
13. When he came to the University of Washington, someone got shot.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 10:52 PM
Feb 2017

And, yes, the anarchists or the black bloc were most likely involved.

kimbutgar

(21,308 posts)
14. He was also cancelled at UC Davis
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 10:52 PM
Feb 2017

There was a concerted opposition to him speaking. Petitions were sent to the chancellor. I am not
Surprised this happened. While I don't like violence of throwing fireworks at police this was no great shock.

Initech

(100,165 posts)
45. Universities should know better than to invite these fucking assholes to speak.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:18 AM
Feb 2017

Milo's message is about as violent and divisive as it gets. He invites this sort of thing, and loves the hate. Those deans should be smacked upside the head. Stop his bullshit before it starts again!

cilla4progress

(24,818 posts)
54. They don't need to invite him though
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:31 AM
Feb 2017

Serious adult discussions can be had about the alt-right read neoNazi views without inviting and thereby sanctioning the legitimacy of the likes of him.

Not rocket science.

Inkfreak

(1,695 posts)
78. They don't need to riot though.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 08:39 AM
Feb 2017

Serious adult discussions can be had about the alt-right read neoNazi views without rioting and thereby making the story about rioting and destruction.

Not rocket science.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
25. Yay, Fox is covering Milo live. Because Milo needs more attention! Barf. Golden Bears forever!
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:13 PM
Feb 2017

I love my school. FU Milo. Milo is the worst sort of victim-complex attention-whore. Of course the alt-right worships him (for some reason they have a huge thing for English agitators), and he spends ALL of his time crying about how he is oh-so persecuted. His favorite word is "I."

This is the charming chap that was banned from Twitter for harassing, viciously body shaming, and setting his followers on black actresses.

 

Henry Krinkle

(208 posts)
20. It was a win win situation for Milo whether the appearance took place or not
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:02 PM
Feb 2017

He just won BIGGER now because he KNEW how this would turn out. He'll get more mileage out of this than if he had
been allowed to speak without violence and/or interruption.

Not very smart on the protest organizers, student body to fall for it.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
30. No group is more vile than Westboro Baptist Church... and there's ways to allow
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:22 PM
Feb 2017

hateful speakers like MY to have their say but do it surrounded by peaceful protestors.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
31. The protest organizers were not the ones who encouraged the violence.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:23 PM
Feb 2017

My boyfriend was/is there and he was involved in the non-violent protest part. I freaked when I saw it on TV and started texting and calling him until he answered.

mobeau69

(11,175 posts)
32. The vast majority are peaceful.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:27 PM
Feb 2017

The instigators are a small group. Looks like the instigators are all wearing black.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
33. My boyfriend does not suit up for protesting he just goes in
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:30 PM
Feb 2017

normal clothing. He is a humanitarian and they tend to not do things that could possibly hurt people. He did get hit on the back by a police baton though...ouch.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
34. My thoughts too. The Cal students are mostly peaceful. I am a Cal grad, and it is horrible to see
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:32 PM
Feb 2017

parts of the campus burning. I told my husband that I really don't think students set the fire (yes maybe wishful thinking but I am noticing that a lot of the anarchist types with their signs and all-black attire are attacking various things in the footage )

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
36. These black suited anarchist guys
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:39 PM
Feb 2017

show up and cause violence all over the country.

Who is funding them to take time off and travel like this?

Or are there local anarchists willing to cause violence in every city in America?

That would be even more troubling.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
43. I don't know who. But I hope you're not going to suggest it hasn't happened in America before
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:12 AM
Feb 2017

COINTELPRO

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
46. It's scary
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:19 AM
Feb 2017

having these uniformed thugs showing up and causing trouble all over the US.

Who would pay people to do this, and who would do it regardless of the pay, but yet there seem to be people doing it all over the country.

orangecrush

(19,687 posts)
132. COINTELPRO
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 06:54 PM
Feb 2017

Or just Breitbart operatives, in this case.
Why no arrests?
Because then their identity would be public record, exposing their operation.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
136. I want you to think how stupid that theory is.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 07:55 PM
Feb 2017

It would require secret cooperation between an internet publication, hundreds of young agent provocateurs, multiple independent police agencies, and city and university officials in an overwhelmingly left-leaning community.

The police in Berkeley act differently than police in Ferguson. Part of the effectiveness of black bloc protests is that they intentionally obscure their identities. If police are disinclined to intervened in large community protests, as Berkeley police are undoubtedly positioned, then the lack of intervention means that those committing criminal acts are much more likely to get away.

orangecrush

(19,687 posts)
144. The police chief himself
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 10:51 PM
Feb 2017

Said the black bloc arrived after the protest had started, which was peaceful.

How hard is it to pursue and capture 150 people dressed in black smashing storefronts, or at least to catch ONE of them, who could potentially give info as to the identity of other group members?

COINTELPRO is history.

It is not fake news.

zentrum

(9,866 posts)
152. Why do the police never
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 01:35 AM
Feb 2017

....ever arrest them, unmask them and find out who they are?

They strike, the demonstrators get blamed, and then they vanish into thin air.

Initech

(100,165 posts)
40. They do this.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:58 PM
Feb 2017

They set up events, purposefully get cancelled, go to their laptops to complain liberals are big meanie heads, cause protests, troll the protests, repeat the cycle. Universities and anywhere else are fucking fools to fall for these trolls. They shouldn't be invited anywhere.

torius

(1,652 posts)
49. I tend to think
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:23 AM
Feb 2017

they think liberals are just metrosexuals who drink Starbucks and eat kale all day.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
37. I personally wouldn't use violence unless the fascist
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:41 PM
Feb 2017

used violence against me, anything that causes physical damage, not just pain. I can only take the mahatma gandhi thing so far.

Initech

(100,165 posts)
58. I am so fucking pissed at Berkeley right now I can't see straight.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:42 AM
Feb 2017

They should have known better than to do this. Fuck them.

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
66. who are you refering to when you say you are pissed at Berkeley?
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 02:34 AM
Feb 2017

he wasn't invited by the school or the city. He was invited by the Young Republicans Club (Nazis). The school was acting in the interest of free speech to allow the club to invite him. The school also stepped in and cancelled it.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
154. True. Though Milo's campus talks are pretty malicious.
Fri Feb 3, 2017, 01:57 AM
Feb 2017

He will pick out a student or students to attack personally and try to ruin their lives on stage. I wish his little nazi fans would pay him to do nothing. Instead they pay him to hurt people. I'm surprised more campuses don't ban him as he crosses a line from giving a hateful speech to targeted harassment of individuals.

tenderfoot

(8,446 posts)
68. Counter-Sting Catches James OKeefe Network Attempting To Sow Chaos At Trumps Inauguration
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 02:37 AM
Feb 2017
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/counter-sting-catches-james-okeefe-network-attempting-to-sow-chaos-at-trumps-inauguration_us_5873e26fe4b043ad97e516f7

Spare me with the pearl clutching over the violence at the hands of provocateurs... why waste the time on such an asshole?

Think about it.
 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
72. I believe it was the Black Bloc
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 08:00 AM
Feb 2017

I saw video of people dressed in black smashing a window.
The Black Bloc were the people arrested for setting the limo on fire at Trump's inauguration were they not?

This will be played to the hilt by Trump, and sadly he is right, this was an assault on freedom of speech.
Someone needs to get to the bottom of the Black Bloc before they enable Trump to ban peaceful protest, and believe me, Trump will ban dissent.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
73. "There were no arrests." WTF? same all dressed in black, masked faced people, bricks at police.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 08:24 AM
Feb 2017

no arrests?

Inkfreak

(1,695 posts)
77. RESIST what?
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 08:36 AM
Feb 2017

An invited speaker? This is bullshit. I don't have to like Milo to know that violently protesting him on campus is wrong.

Why not simply stand outside and protest peacefully? The blueprint was recently set by the women marching in D.C. Frankly, long before by M.L.K. This is just assholes shitting where they live.

No thanks.

mobeau69

(11,175 posts)
88. The vast majority were peaceful
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 09:48 AM
Feb 2017

The trouble was instigated by a handful who were likely plants. See: Donald Segretti.

rainy

(6,097 posts)
89. I want to see arrest papers, mug shots
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 09:54 AM
Feb 2017

and information about the violent actors last night. Surely they must get caught. Why do we never hear their stories?

brooklynite

(95,115 posts)
91. When I was in college, some of the local GOP groups invited some pro-Reagan columnists to speak...
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 10:11 AM
Feb 2017

...I went out for drinks with one.

I was, at the time, the Democratic Party Ward Committeeperson on campus. Didn't mean I couldn't have a civil conversation with someone I completely disagreed with.

TimeChaser

(5,551 posts)
104. The "alt-right" are not your Reagan-era republicans
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:59 PM
Feb 2017

They are white nationalists and neo nazis dressed up in a new name for increased credibility

hunter

(38,355 posts)
114. As I recall, many pro Reagan people were pretty damned Nazi.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 01:56 PM
Feb 2017

There's always been a strong fascist undercurrent in U.S. politics.

Reagan is the figurehead of the modern Republican horror show.

Nixon was the end of the "reasonable" Republicans, and yes, that's a horrible irony. Reagan was the beginning of the modern Republican party; puppet Presidents controlled by fascists behind the curtain.



potone

(1,701 posts)
126. These Black Bloc protestors...
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 05:24 PM
Feb 2017

show up at peaceful protests in Europe as well as in America. Their actions are always the same: smash windows, set things on fire and generally cause as much mayhem as possible. They discredit every event that they disrupt, which makes me wonder if they truly the anarchists that they are assumed to be, or right-wing agents provocateurs. I have never seen any investigative journalism on who these people really are.

orangecrush

(19,687 posts)
130. "There WERE NO ARRESTS"
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 06:02 PM
Feb 2017

The blac block showed up separately.

The University President said a peaceful protest of about 1,500 was disrupted by about 150 vandals wearing masks.

Of course there were no arrests, despite all the property damage.

Because if they were arrested, their identitys would be revealed.

Don't want to expose any undercover or Breitbaft operators, do we?

.......

"In a statement, the university said: "The violence was instigated by a group of about 150 masked agitators who came onto campus and interrupted an otherwise non-violent protest."

It said that at the time more than 1,500 protesters were gathered outside the event."

"This was a group of agitators who were masked up, throwing rocks, commercial grade fireworks and Molotov cocktails at officers," UC Berkeley Police Chief Margo Bennet told The Associated Press. "

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/02/02/512992000/breitbart-editors-event-canceled-as-protests-turn-violent-at-uc-berkeley

Again - WHY NO ARRESTS?

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
138. I seems to me as if Yiannopoulos is promoting hate speech.
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 08:08 PM
Feb 2017

Even though hate speech is constitutionally protected in the US, there's no reason to allow it on a university campus.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
140. Each college has a written policy
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 09:07 PM
Feb 2017

on how to properly bring speakers to their campus.

He went through the proper steps and was accepted.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
143. perhaps but they better put that policy in writing
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 09:19 PM
Feb 2017

since they are a public institution.

Until then, they better follow their written policy.

onetexan

(13,088 posts)
147. agree, and especially given that Berkley is a public university
Thu Feb 2, 2017, 11:26 PM
Feb 2017

makes it all the more maddening that the state's (and federal) tax dollars are spent to fund such activity. Same situation with that wingnut Richard Spencer who came to Tx A&M and they allowed it to happen. The only good thing to come out of that event is that Aggies, students and faculty alike, as well as local came out in droves to shout him down. I'm glad at least @Berkley they shut it down.

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