UC Berkeley cancels Milo Yiannopoulos event amid violent protest
Source: San Francisco Chronicle
After a protest at UC Berkeley turned violent, campus officials shut down a scheduled speech by right-wing provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos.
The Breitbart News editor was set to deliver a speech inside a UC Berkeley campus building but hundreds of protesters began throwing
fireworks and pulling down the barricades police set up to keep people from rushing into the building.
The Berkeley Police Department said people were throwing bricks, smoking objects, and fireworks at police officers. Protesters took down a light pole and the building where the event was to be held had windows broken.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Protesters-storm-Milo-Yiannopoulos-event-at-UC-10901829.php
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Bernardo de La Paz
(49,098 posts)thejoker123
(279 posts)What publication he's from? The shit he stands for?
The only valid question is WTF was this guy doing speaking at a college, let alone Berkeley?
This attempt to make his ilk some sort of valid "other side" of a political debate is obscene. They're lucky there wasn't fucking riots.
zentrum
(9,866 posts)...by the Young Republican Club, not by the University itself.
These are the clubs that began about 40 years ago to breed demons who grew up to run and advise the GOP. I think Rove arose from one of these breeding caldrons. It's where you make your spurs, get noticed. I guess they wanted Breitbart/Bannon/Trump to reward them.
starshine00
(531 posts)How self-hating do you have to be to throw yourself into the hands of people that would see you dead. Talk about base opportunism, kind of like the women's march opportunistically utilizing Linda Sarsour who is pro-sharia law and tweets lovingly about how great women have it in Saudi Arabia because they have 10 months of maternity leave and who cares about driving... Reactionary politics on both sides of the aisle right now are completely nauseating.
Corey_Baker08
(2,157 posts)He must be punishing himself...
starshine00
(531 posts)I see that happening to a lot of young voices and the truth is that internet stardom like his and like most have is worthless because you don't know who you are pandering to. I saw an interview where a journalist quoted him several years ago saying something like he would always defend people against hate speech, he sounded very passionate at the time but now he has been completely corrupted because at some point he gave up whatever principles he had back then for followers. Now he's ruined, literally, and he's too young to know it.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Free speech means having to hear stuff you find obscene. And you don't even have to hear it...unless you attend the speech. Protest the cretin...rioting is unacceptable.
thejoker123
(279 posts)Should we also allow the KKK to speak at colleges?
WTF is wrong with everyone here? First, the university didn't invite him, the GOP club did. Second, the ACLU - the same organization that is going to bat for the Muslims effected by that hideous ban, is the same organization that took up the cause of nazis that wanted to march in the streets in a mostly Jewish town. THAT'S WHAT FREE SPEECH IS ALL ABOUT. All these rioters did was crap all over a powerful message and change the story to violent assholes who have the self control of children.
7962
(11,841 posts)You made an excellent statement that mirrors my stance on this incident. It would be helpful if some prominent progressives would speak out against denying the civil right of free speech to someone merely because you find their message to be repugnant. And, yes, what the ACLU did for the NSPA in Skokie, IL had to be done. Those UC Berkeley students et al. need to be reminded of that historically important event.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)need to denounce the violence FIRST. That so many on DU don't see the damage done to our cause by this is making me crazy. That they truly don't seem to get the concept of free speech is horrifying.
Yupster
(14,308 posts)People seem to think that free speech only covers speech up to a certain line and they get to draw that line.
Then they can use violence to shut down anyone who crosses their line.
It really is horrifying.
zentrum
(9,866 posts)Outside group. Not students. NPR reports as of today.
Black Bloc specializes in messing up peaceful demonstrations. IMO they are RW plants.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Then it's time to get the cops involved and SPEAK OUT LOUDLY AGAINST THE VIOLENCE.
zentrum
(9,866 posts).....a kind of prove. Not just speculation. They wore black masks and black hats. What I don't understand is why the Berkeley police didn't arrest more of them so we could unmask them and get to the bottom of who they are.
Everything is so weird now.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)on inauguration day. ALL the proof I needed was the next day when millions protested and there was zero violence and zero arrests. I always suspect right wingers causing trouble. Always.
RegexReader
(416 posts)running a false flag operation to smear us and provide cover for future violence against our own peaceful demonstrations.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)NOW the story is about the rioting and only about the rioting. The message is lost and the cretin can now claim victim status. The rioters fucked things up for everyone else and all because they have the self control of children having a temper tantrum.
thejoker123
(279 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)your hypocrisy on the issue?
thejoker123
(279 posts)Should the administrators of a college allow the KKK to hold a rally and speak at their school just because some want it?
Where is the line, or is there no line in your book?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)and I'm not going allow you to do that. But in answer to your question, I'm an absolutist on the first amendment as long as no crime is being committed (like the klan busting their way into a synagogue or a mosque). That said, while that bottle blond asshole is noxious, he's not the klan and he was invited to give a speech. He didn't invade anywhere. I have no problems with peaceful protests but will speak out about violence done every single time. ESPECIALLY when it steps on a powerful message that is now buried under the bullshit.
thejoker123
(279 posts)Look, I feel I need to clarify here that a college campus is NOT a public street. That point is critical in this discussion and my point. I would never argue that this right wing prick doesn't have every right to stand on a street and preach his hate and ignorance.
But a college is not a public space. They have a responsibility to uphold basic standards. You may not think this guy represents the new KKK, but a lot of us do. I recommend you visit Breitbart and the comment section for a few weeks and see if you feel differently.
This brings us back to my point. Should a college allow the KKK to speak just because a handful of racist assholes want it, or do they have a responsibility to their students and society to not provide such a platform?
Btw, I am not condoning the violence, my point was this racist right wing demagogue from a notoriously white supremacist website should never have been allowed to speak ON CAMPUS at a SANCTIONED EVENT. To the extent that he was, furious outrage that became protests that had potential for violence should have been expected if not predicted.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)If they're invited, they get to speak. Protest until the cows come home but once you get violent, I want nothing to do with you because you (not you, specifically, I hope that's clear) have now made the violence the story rather than the important message like hatred sucks. You don't change people's minds with rioting and violence - you make them look at what the other side is saying, shine a light on it and make them see it for the hateful bullshit it is. NOBODY is talking about that cretin being a cretin today. NOBODY. All you're seeing is the violence.
thejoker123
(279 posts)Not on the violence, but on any college short of Liberty University providing a platform for just anyone, which unless I'm misunderstanding is what you believe.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)That's how you change minds - shining a light on the hatred, bullying, bullshit the other side is proud of advertising. Not by smashing windows.
starshine00
(531 posts)the kind of sentiments you just expressed are not entirely welcome on the left right now, where we boldly punch nazi's in the face on the street, for breathing.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)with spencer getting punched in the face. As long as the person punching realizes there could be consequences (if they ever catch him). But free speech is not something liberals or conservatives get to decide. It just is.
starshine00
(531 posts)and not understanding that non-violence and passive resistance are long-held principles on the left for a reason. The amount of praise over this act was nauseating to me. I don't even recognize my own left these days.
Not even going into the fact that we always need to ask 'cui bono' when something like this happens, blac block has been CIA infiltrated in the past...everything is just so stooopid right now.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)It's just waaaaaaaaaay down on my list of things to concern myself with these days. I basically shrugged my shoulders and moved onto real problems that effect me far more than a self described nazi getting punched.
starshine00
(531 posts)I wasn't talking about here per se. Wonderful chatting with you. :eyeroll:
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)why you feel the need to passive/aggressively condescend to me but if it makes you feel better, knock yourself out.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,128 posts)Abouttime
(675 posts)The truth is it's resistance, just like the free French during nazi occupation it is our duty to resist.
We are in uncharted territory here, we have never been occupied or defeated like the French.
We are living in a country ruled by a fascist and openly rascist leader who came to power in a stolen election.
Thank God there are a few patriots in our country willing to fight the fascists in the streets.
starshine00
(531 posts)they really are getting their terminology confused, on purpose
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,128 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,098 posts)zentrum
(9,866 posts)...are saying it was an outside group called The Black Bloc. They wear those black hats and masks. It wasn't students.
Report says that the students were trying to intervene to keep it peaceful.
Who knows who the Black Bloc really is? Could be RW provocateurs, which is what I think it is. They really mess up what liberals are trying to do.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,098 posts)starshine00
(531 posts)I think a lot of plays are being taken out of Russia's playbook right now.
MrPurple
(985 posts)MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)who almost always show up for these (Anarchist = far extreme Right wingers = no government) viola naturally they'd show up. Breightbart whatever the fuck... is probably more or less anti government so naturally they'd show up.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,098 posts)The right-wing will say they were paid by Soros. They are so unimaginative with their fake news.
mobeau69
(11,175 posts)They are basically plants. Notice they always wear black and cover their faces.
starshine00
(531 posts)have been infiltrated in the past by CIA (like every other left org.)
It is of course not unheard of that this would be the case here too. This is going to help the Donald in the end. Of course Milo shot himself in the foot with his attack on the Ghostbuster's actress. He lost whatever national audience he might have had, the same as how Gamergate permanently invalidated the mens' rights slactivists...
bucolic_frolic
(43,609 posts)Not good to see things going in this direction. People feel they are
being ignored and silenced, and they are angry. This is no way to
vent the frustrations.
triron
(22,038 posts)Congress has just rolled over. Media is complicit.
You think we would have won our independence from the UK
with peaceful protests?
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)violence then please don't show up at protests. Or go do your damage off in a corner so the police don't harm innocent bystanders.
triron
(22,038 posts)will stop Trump from ruining our nation or quite likely the entire planet.
I hope I am wrong.
starshine00
(531 posts)martial law. I can't believe how many people I see bending like willows in this situation. cui bono people, cui bono.
dawn frenzy adams
(429 posts)Also, was fascism eradicated through peaceful protests?
jodymarie aimee
(3,975 posts)my old stomping grounds in 1969-1971. We were protesting the War. Cops with rifles and bayonets were 2 feet from my head. I even had a dress and pantyhose on. I say Bravo young ones. And thank you.
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)And being willing to sacrifice about five times the number for every dead fascist.
This is what it took, though. Not smashing Starbucks windows.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)That's how we win. Burning shit and assaulting people will cause voters to turn on us.
hunter
(38,355 posts)Reasonable people might think, "Wow, that guy really made those people angry! I wonder why?"
Unreasonable people are beyond reach, they're going to support the Nazis hell or high water.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)They are swayed by day-to-day news and don't necessarily hold ideological convictions like most at DU. These are the "which candidate would you rather have a beer with?" voters that got Bushler reelected.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)If they go the violent route, they have no chance of succeeding. Like the Weathermen back in the day.
hunter
(38,355 posts)It's one way evil establishes and maintains it's power.
Ruffled feathers are not evidence of oppressive violence.
Shooting people, bombs and firebombs, tear gas and tasers, throwing rocks and bricks... that is violence.
A pie in the face, people locking arms to prevent passage, people shouting one another down... those are things that happen when people are angry. Nobody is killed or maimed, only feelings are hurt.
The "slippery slope" argument is another claim evil frequently hides behind.
Milo Yiannopoulos can go fuck himself with a cholla cactus. That's a metaphorical expression of my loathing of him and the racist, fascist, and other disgusting ideologies he represents. That doesn't mean I'm demanding he fuck himself with a cholla cactus, or even that I'm wishing him any other sort of physical harm.
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pangaia
(24,324 posts)The only hope for the USA is if the military refuses to follow orders.
Mark this date Feb 2,2017 Ground Hog Day. well,, almost...
triron
(22,038 posts)although hope it doesn't come to that
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)There is no excuse to prevent freedom of expression in this country, no matter how foul.
In the 60s and 70s there was at least a point to the violence.
This is just stupid.
And also counterproductive. They will make this guy famous and rich.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)And what was that?
Something worse than a fascist take-over or the USA?
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)I am referring to the riot in Berkeley, which was to shut down some obnoxious commentator selling a book.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)How is preventing the sale of a book more on point than stopping the college-sanctioned hate speech that ML would have presented?
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)I oppose the violence, regardless. It's pointless.
I am also opposed to shutting down any kind of speech, no matter how foul. We can win on a fair exchange of ideas. No reason to be afraid of what idiots say.
In that regard, I am generally troubled by the concept of "hate speech." I'm not sure what it is. I get his ideas and statements are disgusting and foul, but who gets to defined what ideas are so foul they must be censored? And who judges and determines when something goes over the line?
The same force of government that can censor Milo can censor Dennis Kucinich or Michael Moore.
It's far better to ignore idiots like this.
All that happened with the Berkeley riots is they made this Milo person a celebrity and made his book a best seller.
That's not exactly useful.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)"In the 60 and 70's there was at least a point to the violence"
...and now...
"I oppose the violence, regardless. It's pointless."
Those seem to be mutually exclusive.
As to the fact that censorship can go both ways ... yes it can and that's a good reason to avoid it.
However, there should be lines that we don't cross. Fascism should be one of them. We shouldn't need another World War to remind us of that.
Without 20 years of hate radio and Fox News propaganda and the religious right listening to hateful preachers, I don't think we'd be in the terrible place we are now.
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)I probably should say, "I oppose violence except in extremely limited circumstances."
E.g, self-defense, WWII, that kind of thing.
But, no, I was not condoning the violence in the 60s. I was merely noting on the scale of logic of such things, it was more justifiable than burning a Starbucks to protest some asshat writer with foul opinions.
Sorry, English is not my first language, although I've spoken it now for 70 years.
I think my grammar in my brain is still German.
triron
(22,038 posts)They don't like nazis!
Initech
(100,165 posts)That the left are big meanie heads. I agree 100% with the riotrrs but this is making us look bad.
caraher
(6,279 posts)Provoke a response they can use to tar anyone to the left of Paul Ryan as violent
olddad56
(5,732 posts)Calista241
(5,586 posts)It's awful hypocritical of us to bar them from speaking, yet then complain, piss and moan when they do the same to us. If Trump (or other actors) tries to shut down the next BLM protest, he can rightfully point to protests like this.
7962
(11,841 posts)But every time this stuff happens & its posted here, 95% of the posts either support it or say the protestors MUST be "plants"
groundloop
(11,543 posts)I also have mixed feeling about giving them a voice, just the way I have mixed feeling about hearing out those that deny climate change, anti-vaxers, etc. Common decency, and scientific fact tells us that those people are dead wrong. Giving them a forum is like hearing out someone who claims the earth is flat.
7962
(11,841 posts)Our freedom of speech in the US allows people to make fools of themselves giving speeches. It also allows others to say they dont like those speeches. NONE of us have the right to forcibly STOP either side from speaking.
As is pointed out to me by a few people, why does it seem that most of these incidents of violent protests against speech are by people who would call themselves "liberals" or progressives? When was the last time a RW group stopped a left wing speaker from speaking at a university?
All these acts do is HELP those they protest against
alp227
(32,088 posts)Quotes by Milo:
"Never feel bad for mocking a transgender person. It is our job to point out their absurdity, to not make the problem worse by pretending they are normal. Much like fat-shaming, if our mockery drives them to get the help they need, we may save their life."
"...many trannies, or those that make up their own new gender, are not actually retarded. But they are deeply mentally damaged, and they are failed by a liberal establishment obsessed with making them feel good about themselves."
"...most gay people, if they were honest, would not choose to have been born homosexual."
Is that the kind of speech you want to defend?
Calista241
(5,586 posts)But he does have the right to SAY it.
And if some dumbass college republicans will pay his speaking fee at UC Berkeley, and if they follow all the other rules regarding guest speakers, then no I don't have a problem with it.
These protesters and rioters can loosely be looked at as "on our side". But that will not always be the case.
TimeChaser
(5,551 posts)He can say it all he wants
Calista241
(5,586 posts)Cause I definitely don't want the government deciding. In fact, I don't want anyone else deciding what I can and can't listen to.
And I doubt you do either. As recently as 2008, California passed an amendment to ban gay marriage. It's a slight shift to the right, or maybe on a rainy voting day, and places like DU and the Huffington Post are banned.
Yupster
(14,308 posts)to speak by a campus group which went through the normal invitation process the campus has determined by written policy.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)Merely his right to say it.
I worked to defend Klan Members and Nazis, to make sure our system works. They were ungrateful, hateful, foul, and called me all kinds of antisemitic names that I bet the filter here would reject.
hunter
(38,355 posts)If he want's to stand on a soapbox in a public park screaming Nazi slogans and handing out Nazi literature, fine.
It will be a good day when these cowardly sniveling Nazis crawl back into their closets. The majority of U.S. Americans despise them.
Life is messy. "Following the rules" of free speech isn't always possible when the rules are written and enforced by fascists.
These college republicans are no different than the Westboro Baptist Church morons. They deserve every ounce of shit that's thrown at them.
And don't you dare compare this to any sort of civil rights protest, white mobs shutting down black civil rights speakers, etc. What if they do it to us? is not a valid argument.
Assholes like Milo Yiannopoulos want to take away our civil rights, rights which have been very hard won.
The right wing is not an oppressed minority deserving protection. They are the oppressors.
a la izquierda
(11,803 posts)Who has been targeted and harassed since Milo's visit to our campus in December.
At least check, my university lost a valuable faculty member.
ananda
(28,931 posts).. good for them!
Even though I know non-violence is better.
mobeau69
(11,175 posts)Throd 2.0
(62 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)The hypocrisy runs rampant
Yupster
(14,308 posts)but in their defense, they didn't like what he was going to say.
Tikki
(14,567 posts)...should they allow a member of nambla to speak?
Tikki
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)You gonna call her the same names too? No. its very simple; no one has the right to stop another from speaking. Protest is a right as well, how violent did the Womens MArch get? It didnt, and their points were made.
All these acts do are get MORE people to look at the left as violent instigators because they keep doing this shit over and over. And until a few are arrested and ID'd as RW plants, thats the way it will stay
blueseas
(11,575 posts)How is hate speech protected by the First Amendment - any legal minds out there?
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)You do realize the ACLU once helped Neo-Nazis get approved for the right to march, don't you?
Tikki
(14,567 posts)Tikki
You are also free to heckle, boycott, drown out, throw soft fruit, and laugh at said speaker.
That is the EXACT meaning of free speech.
Is it unwise to speak publicly about nambla, racism, nazism, misogyny, and bigotry? Yes, probably, especially in an environment like UC Berkeley which is a poor platform for such views and not known for its support of hateful ideologies.
But I would never want to prohibit anyone from doing it.
olddad56
(5,732 posts)and they were not being hypocritical.
It wasn't the students that caused the violence. It wasn't the school that invited him. The school didn't stop the Young Republicans from inviting him because the school does believe in free speech. The school stepped in and canceled it before the violence escalated.
alp227
(32,088 posts)The Free Speech Movement was for basic political activism to be allowed on campus in the first place, not necessarily to allow everything and anything no matter how reality detached to be expressed.
LisaM
(27,870 posts)And, yes, the anarchists or the black bloc were most likely involved.
torius
(1,652 posts)Shot by a Trump supporter.
kimbutgar
(21,308 posts)There was a concerted opposition to him speaking. Petitions were sent to the chancellor. I am not
Surprised this happened. While I don't like violence of throwing fireworks at police this was no great shock.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)Initech
(100,165 posts)Milo's message is about as violent and divisive as it gets. He invites this sort of thing, and loves the hate. Those deans should be smacked upside the head. Stop his bullshit before it starts again!
Gothmog
(146,137 posts)Throd 2.0
(62 posts)He still has the right to spew his drivel.
cilla4progress
(24,818 posts)Serious adult discussions can be had about the alt-right read neoNazi views without inviting and thereby sanctioning the legitimacy of the likes of him.
Not rocket science.
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)Serious adult discussions can be had about the alt-right read neoNazi views without rioting and thereby making the story about rioting and destruction.
Not rocket science.
RandySF
(60,045 posts)anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)I love my school. FU Milo. Milo is the worst sort of victim-complex attention-whore. Of course the alt-right worships him (for some reason they have a huge thing for English agitators), and he spends ALL of his time crying about how he is oh-so persecuted. His favorite word is "I."
This is the charming chap that was banned from Twitter for harassing, viciously body shaming, and setting his followers on black actresses.
Henry Krinkle
(208 posts)He just won BIGGER now because he KNEW how this would turn out. He'll get more mileage out of this than if he had
been allowed to speak without violence and/or interruption.
Not very smart on the protest organizers, student body to fall for it.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)hateful speakers like MY to have their say but do it surrounded by peaceful protestors.
7962
(11,841 posts)Doreen
(11,686 posts)My boyfriend was/is there and he was involved in the non-violent protest part. I freaked when I saw it on TV and started texting and calling him until he answered.
mobeau69
(11,175 posts)The instigators are a small group. Looks like the instigators are all wearing black.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)normal clothing. He is a humanitarian and they tend to not do things that could possibly hurt people. He did get hit on the back by a police baton though...ouch.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)parts of the campus burning. I told my husband that I really don't think students set the fire (yes maybe wishful thinking but I am noticing that a lot of the anarchist types with their signs and all-black attire are attacking various things in the footage )
Yupster
(14,308 posts)show up and cause violence all over the country.
Who is funding them to take time off and travel like this?
Or are there local anarchists willing to cause violence in every city in America?
That would be even more troubling.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Yupster
(14,308 posts)Who pays people to go out and cause trouble?
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)COINTELPRO
Yupster
(14,308 posts)having these uniformed thugs showing up and causing trouble all over the US.
Who would pay people to do this, and who would do it regardless of the pay, but yet there seem to be people doing it all over the country.
torius
(1,652 posts)of people in clown suits who wander roads at night, too...
orangecrush
(19,687 posts)Or just Breitbart operatives, in this case.
Why no arrests?
Because then their identity would be public record, exposing their operation.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)It would require secret cooperation between an internet publication, hundreds of young agent provocateurs, multiple independent police agencies, and city and university officials in an overwhelmingly left-leaning community.
The police in Berkeley act differently than police in Ferguson. Part of the effectiveness of black bloc protests is that they intentionally obscure their identities. If police are disinclined to intervened in large community protests, as Berkeley police are undoubtedly positioned, then the lack of intervention means that those committing criminal acts are much more likely to get away.
orangecrush
(19,687 posts)Said the black bloc arrived after the protest had started, which was peaceful.
How hard is it to pursue and capture 150 people dressed in black smashing storefronts, or at least to catch ONE of them, who could potentially give info as to the identity of other group members?
COINTELPRO is history.
It is not fake news.
zentrum
(9,866 posts)....ever arrest them, unmask them and find out who they are?
They strike, the demonstrators get blamed, and then they vanish into thin air.
Initech
(100,165 posts)They set up events, purposefully get cancelled, go to their laptops to complain liberals are big meanie heads, cause protests, troll the protests, repeat the cycle. Universities and anywhere else are fucking fools to fall for these trolls. They shouldn't be invited anywhere.
torius
(1,652 posts)they think liberals are just metrosexuals who drink Starbucks and eat kale all day.
Initech
(100,165 posts)elmac
(4,642 posts)used violence against me, anything that causes physical damage, not just pain. I can only take the mahatma gandhi thing so far.
NewDealProgressive
(98 posts)I'm convinced they're paid provocateurs or cops.
Initech
(100,165 posts)They should have known better than to do this. Fuck them.
olddad56
(5,732 posts)he wasn't invited by the school or the city. He was invited by the Young Republicans Club (Nazis). The school was acting in the interest of free speech to allow the club to invite him. The school also stepped in and cancelled it.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)Bradical79
(4,490 posts)He will pick out a student or students to attack personally and try to ruin their lives on stage. I wish his little nazi fans would pay him to do nothing. Instead they pay him to hurt people. I'm surprised more campuses don't ban him as he crosses a line from giving a hateful speech to targeted harassment of individuals.
olddad56
(5,732 posts)tenderfoot
(8,446 posts)Spare me with the pearl clutching over the violence at the hands of provocateurs... why waste the time on such an asshole?
Think about it.
watoos
(7,142 posts)I saw video of people dressed in black smashing a window.
The Black Bloc were the people arrested for setting the limo on fire at Trump's inauguration were they not?
This will be played to the hilt by Trump, and sadly he is right, this was an assault on freedom of speech.
Someone needs to get to the bottom of the Black Bloc before they enable Trump to ban peaceful protest, and believe me, Trump will ban dissent.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)no arrests?
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)An invited speaker? This is bullshit. I don't have to like Milo to know that violently protesting him on campus is wrong.
Why not simply stand outside and protest peacefully? The blueprint was recently set by the women marching in D.C. Frankly, long before by M.L.K. This is just assholes shitting where they live.
No thanks.
mobeau69
(11,175 posts)The trouble was instigated by a handful who were likely plants. See: Donald Segretti.
rainy
(6,097 posts)and information about the violent actors last night. Surely they must get caught. Why do we never hear their stories?
Yupster
(14,308 posts)one.
Insane.
malthaussen
(17,243 posts)Oh, the Young Republican Club. Of course.
-- Mal
brooklynite
(95,115 posts)...I went out for drinks with one.
I was, at the time, the Democratic Party Ward Committeeperson on campus. Didn't mean I couldn't have a civil conversation with someone I completely disagreed with.
TimeChaser
(5,551 posts)They are white nationalists and neo nazis dressed up in a new name for increased credibility
blueseas
(11,575 posts)Neo Nazis - are like the World War Two nazis except younger.
hunter
(38,355 posts)There's always been a strong fascist undercurrent in U.S. politics.
Reagan is the figurehead of the modern Republican horror show.
Nixon was the end of the "reasonable" Republicans, and yes, that's a horrible irony. Reagan was the beginning of the modern Republican party; puppet Presidents controlled by fascists behind the curtain.
potone
(1,701 posts)show up at peaceful protests in Europe as well as in America. Their actions are always the same: smash windows, set things on fire and generally cause as much mayhem as possible. They discredit every event that they disrupt, which makes me wonder if they truly the anarchists that they are assumed to be, or right-wing agents provocateurs. I have never seen any investigative journalism on who these people really are.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)orangecrush
(19,687 posts)The blac block showed up separately.
The University President said a peaceful protest of about 1,500 was disrupted by about 150 vandals wearing masks.
Of course there were no arrests, despite all the property damage.
Because if they were arrested, their identitys would be revealed.
Don't want to expose any undercover or Breitbaft operators, do we?
.......
"In a statement, the university said: "The violence was instigated by a group of about 150 masked agitators who came onto campus and interrupted an otherwise non-violent protest."
It said that at the time more than 1,500 protesters were gathered outside the event."
"This was a group of agitators who were masked up, throwing rocks, commercial grade fireworks and Molotov cocktails at officers," UC Berkeley Police Chief Margo Bennet told The Associated Press. "
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/02/02/512992000/breitbart-editors-event-canceled-as-protests-turn-violent-at-uc-berkeley
Again - WHY NO ARRESTS?
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Even though hate speech is constitutionally protected in the US, there's no reason to allow it on a university campus.
Yupster
(14,308 posts)on how to properly bring speakers to their campus.
He went through the proper steps and was accepted.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Yupster
(14,308 posts)since they are a public institution.
Until then, they better follow their written policy.
onetexan
(13,088 posts)makes it all the more maddening that the state's (and federal) tax dollars are spent to fund such activity. Same situation with that wingnut Richard Spencer who came to Tx A&M and they allowed it to happen. The only good thing to come out of that event is that Aggies, students and faculty alike, as well as local came out in droves to shout him down. I'm glad at least @Berkley they shut it down.
Single drop
(9 posts)That milo guy looks like the second coming of Liberace. I wonder if he plays the piano?