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KatK

(186 posts)
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 05:20 PM Apr 2021

Police fatally shoot Black father after he 'started to drive away' - his family says he never carrie

Source: Raw Story

A North Carolina man was shot and killed by police this Wednesday after deputies executed a search warrant, 8News reports.

Andrew Brown, 40, was reportedly shot and killed by police when he got in his car and tried to drive away. According to neighbors, they heard anywhere from six to eight shots.

Brown, who is Black, is the father of 10 children. His family says he never carried a gun.

Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/cop-fatally-shoots-black-father/

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Police fatally shoot Black father after he 'started to drive away' - his family says he never carrie (Original Post) KatK Apr 2021 OP
Not Yet Knowing All The Details GB_RN Apr 2021 #1
Every day. Bet on that and you wont lose money any week of the year. quakerboy Apr 2021 #26
Why the friggin' escalation in shootings? BComplex Apr 2021 #2
Please Tndem615 Apr 2021 #6
The snarky response is not necessary. AZLD4Candidate Apr 2021 #18
There is not an escalation locks Apr 2021 #21
they are angry and scared quakerboy Apr 2021 #27
So the guy's in his car. Maybe, just a thought, shoot out the tires??????? bucolic_frolic Apr 2021 #3
And they know his name, PatSeg Apr 2021 #4
And he probably had a cell phone, which they could track. catrose Apr 2021 #25
Once again PatSeg Apr 2021 #34
no shit. bad cop. pansypoo53219 Apr 2021 #23
If you shoot at a tire you stand an excellent chance of having the bullet bounce right back at you. SeattleVet Apr 2021 #28
At least the news people are paying attention. rgbecker Apr 2021 #5
Why would they deviate from a plan thats worked for them for the entirety of their existance? quakerboy Apr 2021 #30
It seems the first "go to" is killing a black guy....was he a serial killer? NO..HE WAS NOT ashredux Apr 2021 #7
I wonder if a lot of cops are ... KatK Apr 2021 #8
Seriously, are guns the only tools police have at their disposal anymore? Beartracks Apr 2021 #9
It's the only weapon when you are black. Ka-Dinh Oy Apr 2021 #13
It has to start at vetting recruits to weed out potential killer cops. brush Apr 2021 #29
It is not a question of threats OldBaldy1701E Apr 2021 #36
Hey: 1701E! Beartracks Apr 2021 #41
Not at all. (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Apr 2021 #44
The cops are making a statement. speak easy Apr 2021 #10
Hopefully as we the people make more of a statement, all the bad apples will drop out of the force. JudyM Apr 2021 #11
This goes all the way back to reconstruction. speak easy Apr 2021 #14
That's it, right there. We the people are fighting our own civil war, in local legislatures, JudyM Apr 2021 #19
Take away guns from police. Arm w/tasers until they have been on the force 2 years without incidents flying_wahini Apr 2021 #12
Tasers have a 15 foot maximum range. truthisfreedom Apr 2021 #39
I think that's one of the most absurd suggestions I've ever read. Jedi Guy Apr 2021 #43
They aren't releasing much information... Bettie Apr 2021 #15
They aren't releasing much information..." which suggests the shooting was not warranted. cstanleytech Apr 2021 #31
Agreed Bettie Apr 2021 #38
Those who refuse to change in police departments should be fired, not killing more unarmed people. Judi Lynn Apr 2021 #16
This "Shoot first, ask questions later" attitude is just bullshit that has to stop. world wide wally Apr 2021 #17
I think if we had a longer training time requirement in this country before someone can become cstanleytech Apr 2021 #32
My God, They Shoot Anything That Moves DallasNE Apr 2021 #20
So was the man under arrest or being detained? mackdaddy Apr 2021 #22
I wonder if the search warrant included the car. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2021 #24
Embedded white supremacists trying to start a "race war". roamer65 Apr 2021 #33
So there wasn't even a warrant out on this man, marie999 Apr 2021 #35
This is what I fear about gun control laws DVRacer Apr 2021 #37
It will turn out to be cannibis. truthisfreedom Apr 2021 #40
Finally there's more mainstream reporting on this. Here's ABC's Thursday evening report KatK Apr 2021 #42

GB_RN

(2,443 posts)
1. Not Yet Knowing All The Details
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 05:27 PM
Apr 2021

All I can say is, “Jesus H. Christ on a stick! Not again!”🤦‍♂️

BComplex

(8,100 posts)
2. Why the friggin' escalation in shootings?
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 05:33 PM
Apr 2021

Do cops not care if they're going to jail? I hope this guy goes to jail for..well, forever.

 

Tndem615

(77 posts)
6. Please
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 06:45 PM
Apr 2021

Let me know all the information you have regarding this incident. I haven’t found nearly as much as you.

locks

(2,012 posts)
21. There is not an escalation
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 09:07 PM
Apr 2021

If you have lived in DC, Chicago and New Orleans as I have it has always been this way. We just thought the deaths were black on black and cops had to shoot them.

quakerboy

(13,926 posts)
27. they are angry and scared
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 11:07 PM
Apr 2021

They are used to being untouchable and running the neighborhoods to their liking. Their gangs power is being challenged. They are reacting with violence, as that is what has reliably worked for them in the past.

bucolic_frolic

(43,609 posts)
3. So the guy's in his car. Maybe, just a thought, shoot out the tires???????
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 05:40 PM
Apr 2021

Hello? Anybody home in the upstairs of the PD?

PatSeg

(47,791 posts)
4. And they know his name,
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 05:48 PM
Apr 2021

his license plate number, and make and model of his car. Even if they didn't disable his car by shooting the tires, he probably wouldn't have gotten too far before he was stopped. This is insane.

catrose

(5,080 posts)
25. And he probably had a cell phone, which they could track.
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 10:41 PM
Apr 2021

What kind a danger was he to anyone that they could NOT let him get away.

SeattleVet

(5,485 posts)
28. If you shoot at a tire you stand an excellent chance of having the bullet bounce right back at you.
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 11:20 PM
Apr 2021

...As I once found out when zeroing in a .30/30 deer rifle many years ago.

The sound of the bullet whizzing by my ear definitely got my attention.

rgbecker

(4,837 posts)
5. At least the news people are paying attention.
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 06:40 PM
Apr 2021

1000/year is about 3 a day. There may be more now but the key is People are paying more attention...at least right this week!

Clearly, many police departments are not up to speed about the BLM movements.

Do these cops have no plans for what to do if those they are trying to apprehend don't want to go along...besides just killing them on the street?

WTF?

KatK

(186 posts)
8. I wonder if a lot of cops are ...
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 06:55 PM
Apr 2021

I wonder if a lot of cops are in backlash mode.

Like when the cops standing there after Ma'Khia Bryant's killing said to bystanders, "Blue Lives Matter".

Good Lord. It won't be easy or quick to turn this around. And we must.

Beartracks

(12,847 posts)
9. Seriously, are guns the only tools police have at their disposal anymore?
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 07:12 PM
Apr 2021

I mean, I hear they sometimes carry tasers, but they never seem to be able to find those.

So the only thing they know how to do is shoot things? WTF It's like they can't or won't exercise discretion about anything. Can cops no longer distinguish real threats from non-threats? Maybe their cop training is too short.

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brush

(53,998 posts)
29. It has to start at vetting recruits to weed out potential killer cops.
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 01:31 AM
Apr 2021

Then comes the training. Too many psychologically unfit creatures are unleashed onto the public from police academies because they weren't eliminated before training even started.

OldBaldy1701E

(5,242 posts)
36. It is not a question of threats
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 07:52 AM
Apr 2021

It is a question of authority and unquestioned compliance. See, we are supposed to bow to them and do what they say, regardless of how illegal or immoral (or just freaking insane) their actions may be. We are supposed to never question our capitalistic overlords or their lackeys. And, if we don't do this, then we obviously are not worthy of their attention, and therefore must be removed. This 'winner at all costs' mentality is why this happens. But, our greed and ego created this mindset, so changing it will be difficult. No one wants to be seen as anti-greed, because that is all but synonymous with being anti-American.

JudyM

(29,294 posts)
11. Hopefully as we the people make more of a statement, all the bad apples will drop out of the force.
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 07:48 PM
Apr 2021

If they’re not fired and prosecuted first.

JudyM

(29,294 posts)
19. That's it, right there. We the people are fighting our own civil war, in local legislatures,
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 08:46 PM
Apr 2021

in the courts and on the streets. They have positioned themselves well through the years, but we have to win; our strategy is improving and our numbers are slowly growing.

flying_wahini

(6,736 posts)
12. Take away guns from police. Arm w/tasers until they have been on the force 2 years without incidents
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 07:52 PM
Apr 2021

See how brave they are.....

Jedi Guy

(3,290 posts)
43. I think that's one of the most absurd suggestions I've ever read.
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 09:22 PM
Apr 2021

The result will be a lot of injured or dead rookie cops.

Bettie

(16,155 posts)
15. They aren't releasing much information...
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 07:58 PM
Apr 2021
https://apnews.com/article/north-carolina-warrant-shooting-andrew-brown-082fe702910015753005ba591a77eedf

ELIZABETH CITY, N.C. (AP) — A North Carolina deputy shot and killed a Black man while executing a search warrant Wednesday, authorities said, spurring an outcry from a crowd of dozens that immediately gathered at the scene and demanded law enforcement accountability.

The Pasquotank County Sheriff’s deputy was placed on leave pending a review by the State Bureau of Investigation, Sheriff Tommy Wooten II said at a news conference. He said the deputy shot Andrew Brown Jr. about 8:30 a.m. while serving the warrant in Elizabeth City, a municipality of about 18,000 people 170 miles (274 km) northeast of Raleigh. Local NAACP leader Keith Rivers said Brown was Black.

Wooten did not identify the deputy and did not say what the warrant was for. Court records show Brown was 42 years old and had a history of drug charges and a misdemeanor drug possession conviction.

The deputy was wearing an active body camera at the time of the shooting, said Wooten, who declined to say how many shots the deputy fired or release any other details, citing a pending review by the State Bureau of Investigation. WAVY-TV reported that neighbors heard multiple shots. A car removed from the scene appeared to have multiple bullet holes and a broken rear windshield.

cstanleytech

(26,381 posts)
31. They aren't releasing much information..." which suggests the shooting was not warranted.
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 02:33 AM
Apr 2021

After all if it was you would think they would have released all the information including any video right away rather than give the appearance to the public that they are trying to come up with an excuse over why it was warranted.

Bettie

(16,155 posts)
38. Agreed
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 08:48 AM
Apr 2021

it is what they do....so now they have to massage the story and try to find a narrative that they like.

Judi Lynn

(160,737 posts)
16. Those who refuse to change in police departments should be fired, not killing more unarmed people.
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 08:06 PM
Apr 2021

The public shouldn't have to accept it any longer.

world wide wally

(21,762 posts)
17. This "Shoot first, ask questions later" attitude is just bullshit that has to stop.
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 08:25 PM
Apr 2021

We are barely even a civilized society anymore.

cstanleytech

(26,381 posts)
32. I think if we had a longer training time requirement in this country before someone can become
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 02:37 AM
Apr 2021

a full member of law enforcement that it might help.
Say maybe 3 years that way they can be well trained on how to try and defuse a situation not to mention the longer training time can be used to hopefully filter out the ones that should never be allowed to wear the badge on the streets.

DallasNE

(7,404 posts)
20. My God, They Shoot Anything That Moves
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 08:56 PM
Apr 2021

The person doesn't need to be present when a search warrant is executed. All they are looking for at that time is evidence, not to make an arrest. So why were the guns blazing away when the man was unarmed.

mackdaddy

(1,534 posts)
22. So was the man under arrest or being detained?
Wed Apr 21, 2021, 09:10 PM
Apr 2021

They said that they have a search warrant for the house but unless there was a warrant for his arrest, or he was officially being detained he should have been free to leave.

Apparently he was free to be shot dead.

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
35. So there wasn't even a warrant out on this man,
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 07:20 AM
Apr 2021

just a search warrant. This has definitely got to be investigated and not by the police.

DVRacer

(708 posts)
37. This is what I fear about gun control laws
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 08:07 AM
Apr 2021

Here in Oklahoma it will be used as an excuse on POC more so than whites. Red flag laws where anybody can report are dangerous. Remember the same departments we are already concerned about especially smaller ones will be enforcing these. Many are already upset we made weed legal with a license and that excuse was taken away. Until there’s real reforms made don’t give them any more reasons to interact especially with POC.

KatK

(186 posts)
42. Finally there's more mainstream reporting on this. Here's ABC's Thursday evening report
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 08:00 PM
Apr 2021

Democracy Now covered it this morning (Thursday morning) but right now (Thursday eve) is the first time I saw it showing up on the upper third of CNN, ABC, NBC, or CBS.

Maybe the mainstream outlets wait until there's more info.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/north-carolina-sheriffs-deputy-fatally-shoots-black-man/story

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