Peretz: It Would Be Better If US Struck Iran

[Purveyor]

Source: Jerusalem Post

By JPOST.COM STAFF
LAST UPDATED: 03/24/2012 17:26

Former defense minister Amir Peretz said on Saturday that a military strike against Iranian nuclear facilities would be better if an outside actor such as the US carried it out instead of Israel.

"We should prefer an outside actor does it because Israel doesn't need to be confronted by the whole Muslim world," Peretz said.

"We know that a minute after an attack, it will be comfortable for the Western countries to point a blaming finger at Israel. If it's an American actor, the crisis will be smaller. We need to think about the day after."



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[Vincardog]

1. Unadulterated BULLSHIT.

[pscot]

13. Did Peretz not say that?

[Vincardog]

15. I do not doubt that he did. My post was a response to the assertion that we should attack Iran on

trumped up charges just to make it easier on Israel.

NO ONE should be conducting unnecessary acts of war for any reason.

[pscot]

17. +1

[cstanleytech]

19. I am torn though on the issue.

On one hand I really dont think we can afford such a thing economically not to mention I question if we even have the legal and or ethical right to interfere.
On the other Iran with nukes is just as bad of an idea as N korea with nukes if not more so because atleast with n korea they have the fear of china watching their butts if they were to really try anything.
One thing for certain though and that is I am glad I am not president because I havent the foggiest on how to resolve the whole problem.

[freshwest]

20. You got that right, China will stop NK. Why not let the nations in Iran's backyard handle this?

Let's see who's closer than us, knows more than us, and has longer relations to Iran, many of them centuries old and this is just the nuke club:

Russia, India, Pakistan, Britain, France, probably others. They know a lot more about this, have traded with these people forever, and would be the first affected.

We're only piddling around over there because the energy companies have had us by the short hairs for a century. They've fought tooth and claw against our going to anything else, or even making fair trading deals with these countries so involved in the oil trade.

They own the media and brainwash the people into one cause or another, speak to people's darkest fears, that they don't believe in for one blessed moment. We are fools to let them manipulate us in this manner. And they laugh at us.

This policing the whole planet has got to stop, unless we intend to surrender every single thing, our rights and even the land we live on, to pay for these wars.

And now we have people in Israel coming out and opposing this. So if this ever got started, would it be to save the state of Israel?

No, it would be for the same corrupt players as started the current mess. All of this misery has enriched them beyond the dreams of King Solomon.

Just my opinion, not telling anyone what to think.

[Vincardog]

43. You are aware that No US intelligence agency say the Iran has a nuclear program aren't you?

The program they have is for peaceful (power generation) purposes.

IF they wanted to develop weapons they would be at best YEARS away.
They would have to send any weapon by currier to get anywhere near us anyway.

This "Be SCARED if the brown People having a NUKE" is typical RW a

FEAR MONGERING.

It serves no good purpose whatsoever.

[cstanleytech]

45. Sure they dont have them "yet" but its not out of the realm of possability that they could.

Especially when you consider how they have behaved for the last 30 odd years.
I am however at a loss as to what if anything we could or should do if they were to develop them, its just a really difficult and complex situation.

[Vincardog]

50. When you consider WE overthrew their legally elected President. I don't think we should be casting

Dispersions on their behavior.

[cstanleytech]

51. Yes of course we did however the excuse of "but x did x so its ok that I shot your dog"

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doesnt make what Iran has done ok either so I will continue to cast dispersions on Iran for their behavior just like I will continue to cast dispersions on our own government when it screws up.

[Vincardog]

54. Please tell me "what Iran has done" to have you so concerned? They have no Nuke. They have no prog

What other than the fear mongering of the Corporate Owned Media has you concerned?

[cstanleytech]

55. Its not fear mongering from any media its a thing called actual facts.

Fact....they have suppressed their own people and continue to do so by jailing people who disagree with the government.
Fact....they have made statements and threats throught the years
Fact....they have taken civilians in the past as hostages
Thats just three basic facts, if you really do care for more details and really do honestly want to know then you will check into it because I am not lying about it.
And yes, I know our own government has been doing some things recently like Gitmo and other things that we shouldnt have been doing at all but that in no way condones what Iran has done.

[Vincardog]

56. Fact the US has a larger number and higher percentage of people jailed than any other country.

Fact The US they not only have made statements and threats throughout the years we are currently illegally occupying 2 countries.
Fact With our drone program we are effectively holding the whole world hostage.

The US aside, what is Iran doing now to cause you concern?

[cstanleytech]

57. Fact...the US also has a far larger population.

Fact...your 2nd "fact" is negated as I already stipulated that our governments been doing some stuff thats not right like gitmo and yes like makining its own threats but here is one fact your ignoring.......fact, you keep making excuses for their bad behavior where as I am saying neither of them has a legit excuse and they both need to stop it.

[Vincardog]

58. Iran needs to stop it Doing what?

[cstanleytech]

60. Stop putting its people in prison and surpressing them.

Start looking at alternatives to the nuclear reactors like solar (which with the oil reserves they have to sale on the market they could afford to invest in not to mention it takes the wind out of the sales out of fear they might be trying to develop nukes)

The US on the other hand needs to stop with gitmo and channel the people there into the proper place which is the court system.
Also the use of armed drones should be greatly reduced if not stopped alltogether, furthermore we need to realize that blindly supporting Israel is bad policy.

[nanabugg]

52. It would be better if no one bombed Iran. nt

[JackRiddler]

77. It would be better if US defunded Peretz's former terror outfit.

[peacebird]

2. Well then, no strike against Iran, because we also need to think about the day after....

Works for me!

[Ruby the Liberal]

3. LOL! Sure, its always "better" to have someone else do it.

[Frank Cannon]

10. "Let's you and him fight."

Seriously, fuck these guys.

[Shadowflash]

35. yup.

Pretty much sums it up.

They wouldn't want to waste any of the billions we give them every year when it could be put to good use like stealing land by building 'settlements' and shooting Palestinians.

[50000feet]

42. Precisely.

That's the name of that particular transactional game.

[Judi Lynn]

64. Truly. What a spectacular a$$hole. n/t

[dipsydoodle]

4. Some things

just defy fucking belief.

[Drunken Irishman]

5. Oh fuck you.

[Fearless]

6. Better for who? The roaches that are left afterward?

[Xipe Totec]

7. Better for somebody, yes. But for whom? nt

[sendero]

8. Dear Israel..

.... do your own fucking dirty work, ok?

[xchrom]

9. Sadly, I think the US government probably agrees.

But, timing is everything.

[azurnoir]

11. yes having the US attack Iran would be better

for Israel

and this

We should prefer an outside actor does it because Israel doesn't need to be confronted by the whole Muslim world," Peretz said.

puleez no would know? really!?!

[qbhawk]

12. The Right to Kill Others for their beliefs

Who the hell gave anybody the rights to attack someone else on its own land? Didn't we learn anything from Vietnam? Didn't the Jews learn anything from the Nazis? Don't we and the Russians have unlimited nuclear arsenals that can destroy the world at anytime. Don't we have war mongers running for office who would attack their own mother if their was some type of gain to be had? Maybe every nation should have a homeland security so that they can legally attack another country, by oppressing their own people like the governments of the so called free worlds. Maybe we should just blow up the whole world and forget about why God created us in the first place.

[jwirr]

14. I can see why they would feel that way but I doubt if it would make much difference - the world

see our connections and not much else. Plus if we should do this what is to keep Iran from using Israel as a surrogate target to strike back at us? Israel is much closer and easier to reach.

[Comrade Grumpy]

16. Please fuck off.

[Canuckistanian]

18. Coward.

Israel STARTED this bullshit, now they want their lapdog to do the dirty work.

It's time the world knows, this is Likudnik BS.

[moshejakob]

21. Israel can not afford to lose lives

The U.S.A. is in a much better position. Jewish lives must not be lost. We lost enough in the Holocaust. The cost in money and blood is too great for Israel and the Jewish community.

[uppityperson]

23. So USA lives can be lost instead? USA money and blood can be spent? What?

Why should the USA send its young men and women to die, why should it spend its money and blood? Because there are more of us? Seriously?

[moshejakob]

30. Read your Old Testament

Blessed are those who bless you (Israel), and cursed are those who curse you.

[argyl]

33. Right now I'm reading John Burdett's "Vulture Peak." You can stow your Old Testament.

[fadedrose]

69. Hey argyl

I'm just starting to read Burdett's series about Sonchai Jitpleecheep and wondered if there was any feedback about the author, John Burdett, anywhere. Couldn't find any in "Fiction" but your post came up in Search.

Maybe you could run over to Fiction and give an opinion of the Burdett book you're reading...

Thank you,
fadedrose

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11931975#post7

[uppityperson]

38. You did not answer any of my questions. Try again.

Why should the USA send its young men and women to die, why should it spend its money and blood?

[Selatius]

68. The United States was not founded upon the Christian religion.

The United States does not have a state-sponsored religion.

[Ruby the Liberal]

24. Much better position for what?

To invite retaliation? To send our sons and daughters to die?

Exactly what is the reasoning to send the US into yet another War on terrorism Islam?

[TomClash]

27. "Jewish lives must not be lost?"

Are you saying nonjewish American lives are more expendable?

What kind of racist crap is that?

[moshejakob]

31. How is it racist?

American is not a race.

[uppityperson]

39. Ah, one who believes Jewish lives are more special than those in the USA, yet this isn't racist.

Is Jewish a race? If so, then those non-Jewish lives you value less are also a race.

[TomClash]

40. That avoids the question

I will put it more bluntly. Do you think the life of a Jew is more valuable than the life of any other race or creed?

[KareBear]

44. Troll

Clearly this person is trolling this forum. This is NOT the Jewish view of things.

[2ndAmForComputers]

48. My theory:

Not actually Jewish, but out to make Jews look bad. Even the name is too stereotypical.

[Mosby]

59. Jakob is the German spelling of the name

People

Anund Jakob (c. 1010-1050), a.k.a. Anund Jacob of Sweden
Ludwig Heinrich von Jakob (1759-1827), German economist
Joseph Jakob (1886-1908), American diver
Alfons Maria Jakob (1884-1931), German physician
Hans Jakob (1908-1994), German soccer player
Hans Jakob (1891-1967), German-born Swiss Esperantist
Liane Jakob-Rost (born 1928), German scholar
Winnie Jakob (born 1927), German artist
Gabriele Jakob (born 1953), German politician
Jakob Dylan (born 1969), American musician
Jakob Ulrich (born 2001), American actor, son of Skeet Ulrich.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakob

[2ndAmForComputers]

29. Your (hopefully very very short) stay at this forum should be quite entertaining. Please do go on.

[Aerows]

32. I don't think anyone's lives should be lost

Not Iranians, not Americans and not Jewish lives.

If you are so keen for lives to be lost, may I suggest that you be the first to attack Iran?

I'm an American, and I am wholeheartedly against a war with Iran. If YOU want to fight, YOU fight.

[Shadowflash]

36. Right.

Israeli lives are Too precious to lose but the Americans are a dime a dozen and they can always make more.

You are seriously trying to convince us of that?

Israel should do it's own dirty work. And, if it were up to me, they would be doing it without a dime from us from now on.

[Occulus]

41. I see Fredda Weinberg finally got a new screenname

[2ndAmForComputers]

61. I don't know who Fredda Weinberg is, but it looks like she needs another.

MIRTed!

[Poll_Blind]

65. .

PB

[Hell Hath No Fury]

66. Wow, THAT was a blast from the past!

[crim son]

76. Really?

You're joking, right? American Jews do not all agree with you. And the Holocaust, as undeniably horrific, unjust and inhumane as it was, cannot be used forever to justify further crimes against humanity.

Sigh. Religion. You'd think the Deity would show up and put a stop to all the damage his children do to one another.

[The Wizard]

22. The Republican myth

is that Obama won't let Israel bomb Iran. The Republican solution to everything is dropping bombs. It must be from having small or inoperative man parts. Blowed 'em up real good.

[Monk06]

25. In terms of the ME the US and Israel are the same entity and everyone knows it. n/t

[AtheistCrusader]

26. Invitation declined, asshole.

(Peretz, not the OP)

[2ndAmForComputers]

28. Similarly, it would be better if other person did my work while I get the payment.

[jpak]

34. Peertz can pay for my $8 a gallon gasoline when that happens

yup

[magical thyme]

37. Dear Peretz,

Doubtless it would be better for YOU if we committed another unnecessary, unwarranted and hate-inviting act of war on YOUR behalf.

Thank you very much for thinking of us. Respectfully suggest you fight your own battles.

Invitation declined.

[saras]

46. "Israel doesn't need to be confronted by the whole Muslim world" YES, THEY DO. PRECISELY THAT.

For exactly this reason.

[Fool Count]

47. You know what would be even better? If extraterrestrial aliens did it.

Then no one could blame either Israel or US, hence no crisis.

[Devil_Fish]

49. Fuck you Peretz. Better for who???

I don't give a shit if Israel has to confront the whole Muslim world. They should have thought of that before they started WWIII. Frankly, I hope Iran has a nuke all ready. MAD has worked out for the rest of the countries with Nukes. the only cuntries that get bombed any more are the countries with no nukes.

Hey! I know a country that not only has nukes, but has used them on civilian populations! When to we bomb them???

D_F

[lumpy]

53. Wonder if Peretz will get around to asking China to make the

first strike against Iran.....

[stlsaxman]

62. If "Israel doesn't need to be confronted by the whole Muslim world,"... then

DON'T START BY CONFRONTING THE WHOLE MUSLIM WORLD!!!

[Wolf Frankula]

63. Maybe it would be better if the US told Israel

Give up your nuclear weapons or we will destroy them.

Wolf Frankula

[lovuian]

67. No if you want the damn country bombed use your OWN CHILDREN

you jerk not ours!!!

America is so ticked off with being at war for over 10 freakin years

Enough is Enough!!!

[sarcasmo]

70. Chicken Hawk bullshit.

[Purveyor]

71. Brings back memories: Israel To U.S.: Don't Delay Iraq, Sharon Government Urges Prompt Action

By Dan Collins

Israel is urging U.S. officials not to delay a military strike against Iraq's Saddam Hussein, an aide to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said Friday.

Israeli intelligence officials have gathered evidence that Iraq is speeding up efforts to produce biological and chemical weapons, said Sharon aide Ranaan Gissin.

"Any postponement of an attack on Iraq at this stage will serve no purpose," Gissin said. "It will only give him (Saddam) more of an opportunity to accelerate his program of weapons of mass destruction."

The United States has been considering a military campaign against Iraq to remove Saddam from power, listing him as one of the world's main terrorist regimes. However, there is considerable world opposition to a U.S. strike.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/18/world/main519037.shtml

[sarcasmo]

72. Sure does seem like Deja vu

[AnOhioan]

73. If Israel wants a war so bad, let them fight it and bear the consequences

[Fearless]

74. For whom?

Anyone? His political future perhaps? That's about it. What an asshole.

[NuttyFluffers]

75. how about if we compromise and send bandidos with bandoliers and knives between their teeth?

would that make everything nicey-nice?


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