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Caution: Extremely Disturbing and GraphicBut there will be serious hearings on Hillary's email server......
The gun industry apologist with blood on his hands
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)"See! A GOOD GUY with a gun could have averted this tragic incident. Visit your local gun shop today!"
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Archae
(46,364 posts)Even filming himself shooting the unarmed and unaware victims.
Then he shoots himself.
Journeyman
(15,042 posts)No one.
Time to break free of our illusions and recognize realities.
No one did anything. And nothing will be done.
I have no illusions that something will be done, it is sad.
Peace
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)I don't even know what to say.
WhoIsNumberNone
(7,875 posts)Old Crow
(2,212 posts)... is that everyone you see before the shooting is caught up in tunnel vision. The reporter and interviewee are on camera and looking at each other. Looking to the side could ruin the shot, so you're not going to do it, even if you see someone moving around in your peripheral vision; the videographer, for his part, has his attention focused on the viewfinder. During that live shoot, all of them essentially had blinders on.
On edit: You're probably already aware of everything I wrote above; my apologies for explaining what probably didn't need explaining. And yes, it is chilling to see a gun so plainly displayed while the soon-to-be-victims are completely unaware of what's about to happen.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)no sense.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)What I'm saying is that the reason the reporter, interviewee, and videographer did not notice the handgun that was being pointed right at the reporter for several long seconds prior to the shooting is because they were all preoccupied with doing the interview.
Make sense now?
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)WhoIsNumberNone
(7,875 posts)If you've ever done this kind of work, you would know that you are completely focused on what you're doing when you're getting a shot- you're not alert for nutjobs with guns- hence the blinders.
It's also clear that the gunman is outside the cameraman's field of vision. The reporter and the interviewee are both focused on each other. Plus, news people are so used to assholes waving their dicks off camera that they just tune it out. Nobody is faulting them for not noticing the whack job with the gun sneaking up on them.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)The entire observation is , I repeat, pointless.
WhoIsNumberNone
(7,875 posts)Although, since you asked, perhaps at least one of them could have gotten away had they been aware of him before the shooting started. But once again that was never the point.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Dr Rise
(99 posts)That's it exactly! Don't know if I would have thought of it sooner or later.
WhoIsNumberNone
(7,875 posts)The shooter was a disgruntled employee of the station- Another reporter from the looks of things. If anyone would know that they would have been too engaged to notice him sneaking up at that moment, it would have been him.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/virginia-shooting-suspect-vester-lee-flanagan-kills-himself-after-videos-posted-online-10473264.html
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)Incidentally, going back to the earlier discussion: One reason I thought it was worth discussing why the reporter, interviewee, and videographer didn't see the gun is because of comments I was seeing on YouTube. More than one person over there were claiming that the video was "obviously fake" anti-gun propaganda because, they argued, no one could have missed the gun when it was pointing right at the reporter.
I don't know if people are still claiming that; frankly, I'm not even sure I want to look. Crazy, I know. Incredibly, there are still people online claiming the massacre at Sandy Hook was staged.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)easily hideable because it is so small...death in a small package.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)That might help you understand some of the comments better.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)WhoIsNumberNone
(7,875 posts)And I never faulted anyone for not noticing him there. I merely commented that it's chilling to watch that asshole quietly taunting them before he kills them. They have no idea they're going to be dead in a few seconds. You don't find that chilling?
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)I am very chilled, do not get me wrong, but not at that.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)Two of us made the observation that it's chilling to see the handgun openly displayed just a few feet away from the soon-to-be victims. For whatever reason, that observation seems to have offended you.
I think we all understand that handguns are easily concealed. And I think everyone in this thread agrees their easy accessibility in this country is madness.
I don't understand why you seem to be looking for an argument. I'm not interested in arguing. Have a nice day.
ish of the hammer
(444 posts)The comment is about why the victims did not SEE the gun. Merely a comment. There are soooo many hair splitters on these threads.
geretogo
(1,281 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)the crosshairs of two of 30000 gun deaths a year just might do it.
deathrind
(1,786 posts)The entire vid is shocking but the first few seconds are.... just wow. I understand how the camera man did not see the firearm but how the other two did not notice is unbelievable.
RIP to the the two who died and prayers for the 3rd person fighting for survival.
Dr Rise
(99 posts)that's some cold shit.
BainsBane
(53,093 posts)Look at the records of the candidates for the Democratic nomination. Two are strong on gun control: O'Malley and Clinton. The rest are not.
Stevepol
(4,234 posts)The only times he's "sided with the NRA" if you want to call it that is to allow the sale and use of (some kinds of) guns for hunting or target shooting. He's against any kind of gun entirely for shooting people (AK 47s e.g.) and he voted against a law that would have made the gun manufacturer liable if a gun manufactured by his company is used in a crime. I think I would agree with both those positions. Does anybody really want to restrict farmers and rural folks from having guns for hunting and protection in rural areas? And would there need to be a law to make the owner of a lumber yard liable if somebody beats someone to death with a 2 x 4 bought at the lumber yard? Plus, he's for ending the gun show loophole and for complete background checks and I would imagine almost any other regulation or law to reduce gun crime in the large cities.
BainsBane
(53,093 posts)and that people here have contorted their own views to accommodate him, rather than pressuring him to change, is particularly offensive. Your spin on that law is inaccurate and reflects how the gun lobby has falsely portrayed it. There would be no need for special immunity for what you describe. The law has been used to protect gun makers from any and all liability, and Bernie knows that.
If you believe the unfettered profits of corporations trump the rights of families to seek redress for gun makers knowingly putting guns in the hands of illegal gun traffickers, so be it, but don't tell me that is a strong gun control position. It is anti gun control, as is voting against the Brady bill. You overlooked that particular vote.
The OP references handguns. Your point about farmers' rifles is unrelated, unless of course the point is to make excuses for someone whose position on gun control reflects the concerns of Vermonters rather than Americans more broadly. The percentage of people living on farms and in rural areas is quite small.
Here we have a prime example of people who are not right-wingers standing in the way of gun control. We have killings like this because far too many people make excuses, repeat gun lobby arguments, and prioritize most everything over the lives of the people killed.
The many posts like yours I've seen, combined with the hostility to Black Lives Matter expressed by some of his supporters, is the main reason I oppose his candidacy. I have seen a disturbing turn to the right on those issues. Of course, you could simply disagree with him on that particular point, as supporters of other candidates do on a range of issues, yet for some reason people feel compelled to rearrange their views to conform to his. That is exactly what I meant when I said not just right wingers.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)all the Democratic Party candidates....front and centre.
It is just sad that some even at DU are misrepresenting the special NRA pushed carve out for the precious gun of the gun factories.
#MeltTheGuns
That is a stronger position.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)Last edited Wed Aug 26, 2015, 07:59 PM - Edit history (1)
That would be helpful. I'm finding bits of info here and there, but nothing comprehensive. A comparative table would be awesome.
On edit: The best web page I've found so far is the one below.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Gun_Control.htm
WhoIsNumberNone
(7,875 posts)The shooter committed suicide after posting this video on Facebook and Twitter.
He's been identified as another employee of the station- and another reporter from the looks of things- Described by co-workers as a very sad man. With these revelations, there's no doubt in my mind that this was nothing random and that Alison Parker was the target of the shooting. I won't be surprised if they find a diary in which it will be revealed that he had more than a little crush on her, and wasn't dealing with her engagement very well.
He probably seemed OK at the time to the person who sold him the gun.
zebonaut
(3,688 posts)until there is a system of safety checks in place
Obama has nothing to lose....