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Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:39 PM Apr 2016

Michelle Alexander: "I am definitely endorsing the political revolution."



Maybe the most important black intellectual in decades, and changed the way we talk about race and criminal justice.

She gave us a new vocabulary to talk about civil rights. Similar to how Naomi Klein did for spreading the word about neoliberal capitalism. Something like that, maybe even bigger. Whether Bernie wins or loses, I'm proud to have been fighting on the same side as Michelle Alexander. Bernie may not be #1 with politicians, but he is #1 with so many of the great moral leaders and thinkers of our time, of which Professor Alexander is certainly one.
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Michelle Alexander: "I am definitely endorsing the political revolution." (Original Post) Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 OP
Wow! Pharaoh Apr 2016 #1
Wow is right passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #11
Thank you passiveporcupine saidsimplesimon Apr 2016 #25
kudos to Chris for having her on (despite his corporate tendencies)! bbgrunt Apr 2016 #2
He looks terrified Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #5
yeah, he does. bbgrunt Apr 2016 #6
And he was speechless. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #12
Chris looks miserable. If he has any self respect he should walk away like Melissa Harris Perry did Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #16
this is an awesome clip passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #17
Comcast took care of that part. Nyan Apr 2016 #26
Michelle Alexander is major. Her book, 'The New Jim Crow' on mass incarceration, appalachiablue Apr 2016 #3
Thanks passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #13
AlterNet article on the impact of the Welfare Reform Act on Lillie Harden & many others. appalachiablue Apr 2016 #22
Yes, I just posted an article yesterday in GD, which was locked as "off topic" passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #23
really appreciated watching, thanks for posting tomm2thumbs Apr 2016 #4
Thank You For Sharing This Powerful Interview cantbeserious Apr 2016 #7
"Only a Pawn in Their Game" Mark 750 Apr 2016 #8
I thought Carter was the first President who Geronimoe Apr 2016 #9
She's right in my opinion. Clinton changed the country in that way. Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #14
Wonderful. I am K&Ring this for Michelle Alexander, not for Chris Hayes. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #10
I agree. We can't kick this enough! passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #15
I'll take it. PoliticalMalcontent Apr 2016 #18
Thanks! Great interview! nt valerief Apr 2016 #19
Thanks for posting, an excellent video, despite C. Hayes downeastdaniel Apr 2016 #20
Wonder why Bravenak didn't weigh in on this OP? Dustlawyer Apr 2016 #21
Maybe they didn't want to. I try not to be personal Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #24
Epic interview and thread!!!!# KPN Apr 2016 #27

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
11. Wow is right
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:31 AM
Apr 2016

She finally explained it to me in a way that I can understand and agree with 100%.

And I said Wow before I even saw your post. I wonder how many wows we can line up here.

OK, after watching the Sarandon interview and how obnoxious Chris was, and then this one, and he was virtually speechless, I am so ashamed of him.

He was afraid to take on a black woman. It was OK to disparage an old white woman who is just an actress, but he could not bash Bernie or push Hillary with this woman because he was afraid to look like a racist. What a tool he is.

At least that's my take on it.

I knew older blacks supported the Clintons and I knew a little bit about that, but did not know how to explain away the problems they had with the Clintons and why they were always being "forgiven" for doing things that hurt the black community.

Now I know. Most of them probably don't even know just how bad the devastation against their community was. For example I was told Hillary helped many people with CHIP (1997), well of course she did. She had to after Bill screwed up everything with the passage of welfare reform act in 1996.

Michelle Alexander just filled in that missing piece for me. Bernie was right in speaking out against the tough on crime bill, we needed to look at why there was so much crime and fix it, not put everyone in jail.

Here is a little info on Hillary on the welfare reform act, and Bernie
In 2002, when Congress was debating whether to reauthorize the Clinton-era reforms, then-Senator Hillary Clinton said:

Now that we’ve said these people are no longer deadbeats—they’re actually out there being productive—how do we keep them there?

Bernie Sander, on the other hand, voted against the 1996 welfare reform legislation as a member of the House of Representatives, and strongly denounced it as cruel. Here’s how he described the legislation in his 1997 book, Outsider in the House:

The bill, which combines an assault on the poor, women and children, minorities, and immigrants is the grand slam of scapegoating legislation, and appeals to the frustrations and ignorance of the American people along a wide spectrum of prejudices.


So Michelle said that the Clintons are comfortable with black people (I got that form another poster here too, so I get that)...but I wonder if Hillary is as comfortable as Bill is. I just finished rereading a novel I have for the third time, and I read it again this time because someone here revealed who the novel was about (doh! I can't believe I didn't see that). It was about the Clintons and that went right over my head the first two times I read it. So I read it this time, putting them in as the couple. And boy howdie...this beautiful and intelligent woman is right on there. Bill just loves people, and he doesn't care what color their skin is. He just loves people and living in the south, that included blacks and their culture. He was warm and welcoming to them. And they knew it. And it was the first time a President treated them that way, and they loved him for it. I am not so sure Hillary really is (even though she tries to be). I think she is pretty good, but I think she has to work at it more. She is a natural authoritarian, where I don't think Bill is. So Bill was probably influenced a lot by her in passing the bills that hurt black communities so badly. And I don't think either of the Clintons would have done that if they'd known what the outcome would be.

But Bernie knew it was the wrong way to approach the problems, and said so...and he was right. As he has proven over and over again, he just makes sound, moral, and humane decisions. He is the kind of leader we need. This clip needs to go viral. All of you who do social media (I don't), please post it.

So OK...before I leave this thread, I'll tell you what book to read...Primary Colors. You'll get an eyeful. It's just a novel, so don't get your hopes up. Nothing in the novel happened in real life. But I do think it portrays the Clintons pretty well. It's a good read too.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
25. Thank you passiveporcupine
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:56 PM
Apr 2016

Your comment would make a great thread for discussion.

I do disagree on a minor point. Fmr. President Clinton is an authoritarian alpha attack dog. imo

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
16. Chris looks miserable. If he has any self respect he should walk away like Melissa Harris Perry did
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:39 AM
Apr 2016

PS I love all the new birdie logos that are popping up in the signature lines and avatars lately

Nyan

(1,192 posts)
26. Comcast took care of that part.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 03:10 PM
Apr 2016

They overpaid him so he'd voluntarily relinquish his self-respect. Don't look for his self-respect. It's gone.

appalachiablue

(41,201 posts)
3. Michelle Alexander is major. Her book, 'The New Jim Crow' on mass incarceration,
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:16 PM
Apr 2016

minorities and the US Prison State brought on by drastic policies in Clinton's 1994 Crime Bill is a landmark research publication.

appalachiablue

(41,201 posts)
22. AlterNet article on the impact of the Welfare Reform Act on Lillie Harden & many others.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:45 AM
Apr 2016

AlterNet, 'The Tragic End of the Woman Bill Clinton Exploited As Poster Child for Gutting Welfare', by Zaid Jilani, May 11, 2015.
"Eliminating the safety net for Lillie Harden did not transform her family the way Clinton boasted. The pride she had in getting a job gave way to the harsh socioeconomic realities of her life.
The same was true for many others across the country—the loss of government aid did not instantaneously create living wage jobs with benefits, but rather sunk them further into poverty. This was perhaps most obvious during the Great Recession. One of the changes the welfare reform law made was to transform TANF into a block grant of money given to the states. That means that even as unemployment skyrocketed, “because the block grant has never been increased or adjusted for inflation, states received 32 percent less in real (inflation-adjusted) dollars in 2014 than they did in 1997,” according to a report from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.
>It's a stark illustration of how President Bill Clinton presided over one of the harshest systematic cuts to the poor of any president."
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/tragic-end-woman-bill-clinton-exploited-poster-child-gutting-welfare




passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
23. Yes, I just posted an article yesterday in GD, which was locked as "off topic"
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:56 PM
Apr 2016

It wasn't about the primaries, but I'm not going to fight it.

Bill Moyer's has an article about how the welfare reform ended up creating racial bias, especially in the south, and that article also says:

In fact, in the toughest programs, people actually end up in worse shape after they get through them than they were before they got the benefits to begin with. And remember, they were in such a bad situation that they had to turn to a welfare program that’s been so stigmatized that pretty much everyone wants to avoid it.


http://billmoyers.com/2014/05/12/how-bill-clintons-welfare-reform-created-a-system-rife-with-racial-biases/


 

Mark 750

(79 posts)
8. "Only a Pawn in Their Game"
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:00 AM
Apr 2016

Bob Dylan wrote this song in 63' - clearly highlights what Michelle Alexander says in 2016.

A bullet from the back of a bush took Medgar Evers’ blood
A finger fired the trigger to his name
A handle hid out in the dark
A hand set the spark
Two eyes took the aim
Behind a man’s brain
But he can’t be blamed
He’s only a pawn in their game

A South politician preaches to the poor white man
“You got more than the blacks, don’t complain.
You’re better than them, you been born with white skin,” they explain.
And the Negro’s name
Is used it is plain
For the politician’s gain
As he rises to fame
And the poor white remains
On the caboose of the train
But it ain’t him to blame
He’s only a pawn in their game

The deputy sheriffs, the soldiers, the governors get paid
And the marshals and cops get the same
But the poor white man’s used in the hands of them all like a tool
He’s taught in his school
From the start by the rule
That the laws are with him
To protect his white skin
To keep up his hate
So he never thinks straight
’Bout the shape that he’s in
But it ain’t him to blame
He’s only a pawn in their game

From the poverty shacks, he looks from the cracks to the tracks
And the hoofbeats pound in his brain
And he’s taught how to walk in a pack
Shoot in the back
With his fist in a clinch
To hang and to lynch
To hide ’neath the hood
To kill with no pain
Like a dog on a chain
He ain’t got no name
But it ain’t him to blame
He’s only a pawn in their game.

Today, Medgar Evers was buried from the bullet he caught
They lowered him down as a king
But when the shadowy sun sets on the one
That fired the gun
He’ll see by his grave
On the stone that remains
Carved next to his name
His epitaph plain:
"Only a pawn in their game"

Not the best version of his song - also sang it at the March on Washington in 1963.

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Geronimoe

(1,539 posts)
9. I thought Carter was the first President who
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:12 AM
Apr 2016

treated African Americans as equals. Why does Bill get the credit for this?

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
14. She's right in my opinion. Clinton changed the country in that way.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:33 AM
Apr 2016

He brought African Americans into government in a in a major way for the first time. And other people of color. His cabinet was more diverse, the party leadership became more diverse. Much more than token representation but actually treating us all as equal human beings. Bill Clinton did do that. It's the best part of his legacy and nobody can take that away from him. It does explain why some people trust the Clintons. I honestly don't remember Carter very much since I was a little kid. But it always seemed that when we were kids the government was mostly a white institution and Clinton really broadened things out racially. Sadly so many of his policies actually hurt working class people including people of color, which Michelle Alexander is also right about.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
10. Wonderful. I am K&Ring this for Michelle Alexander, not for Chris Hayes.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:23 AM
Apr 2016

I so agree with Michelle Alexander.

And I am so grateful to her for saying this so beautifully.

Chris Hayes at least showed her more respect than he showed to Susan Sarandon.

Good for Michelle Hayes.

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