••BREAKING•• Clinton Campaign LEAK - Plan to Bury Bernie, "DISQUALIFY HIM" - Running out of Patience

[tomm2thumbs]

AUDIO: "The Clinton Campaign has been watching these Wisconsin results come in and the delegate race of course is tight there, but the reality is they're running out of patience…. so they're going to begin deploying a new strategy… it's going to be called 'DISQUALIFY HIM - DEFEAT HIM' … and then they can unify the party later.

For the last several months, the Clinton Campaign has been first ignoring Bernie Sanders, then dismissing him -- now they are going to go head-long into him, I'm told, beginning here in the New York Primary in two weeks on his gun record, on other things. So Party-unity aside for now, one aide told me that will come later. They're going to start trying and defeating Bernie Sanders so that scenario you saw play out there on John's wall, does not come true. The Clinton Campaign is running out of patience. They want to stop Bernie Sanders, and move on to the Fall Campaign."

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Sounds like Hillary is up to her old tricks, like when her campaign attacked Barack Obama, aiming to, in their words, "MAKE HIM UN-AMERICAN"

HRC's Campaign, after first saying they would have the votes to end the contest with Bernie Sanders in March, now find themselves in April, not having succeeded. Hillary is now feverishly defending her adopted state of New York which was originally seen as a guaranteed win for her. She is also running low enough on money that it is forcing her to fly hopscotch around the country to hit big-dollar fund raisers to try and gather money to cover campaign costs...

... to say nothing of her leaving Wisconsin a week early to head back to New York in an attempt to shore up her sinking poll numbers.

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added:

Sounds like Time to Donate Again --
https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/duforbernie

[orpupilofnature57]

1. Anything to win, Lie, Cheat and Steal .

[OhZone]

10. Lie, Cheat and Steal?

That's what Bernie does.

[orpupilofnature57]

14. Oh

[Matt_in_STL]

30. Hey - can you help me out here...

Do you have a list of the lying and cheating Bernie has done? I am sure you must keep a list somewhere or have some examples. Maybe he ran some ads with lies? Thanks.

[dixiegrrrrl]

37. OMG, does he????

Pls. share some links/facts so we can all see about this.

Thanks.

[yuiyoshida]

69. I as well would like to see proof of this...

Come on, I am sitting on the fence, please link to it, because we really hate it when people make stuff up...I am sure you understand, that it might be required.

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

79. Bernie...

...has no legitimate allegations of wrong-doing attached to his name.

Clinton, on the other hand...

[thereismore]

74. Found another one for the bog of eternal stench. Bye.

[pnwmom]

28. His gun record deserves criticism. There is nothing tricky about going after it. n/t

[Angrydemex]

43. omg

Is that the best you got. If it is you better move on.We have a whole list on hillary. I don't think Bernies gun record isn't anything bad anyway.

[pnwmom]

48. They agreed on 93% of the bills they both voted on. So there is a limited

number of bills either could criticize. But his conservative, states-rights positions on gun laws is something that won't sit well with many urban voters.

[DhhD]

58. I believe that urban and rual voters realize that they need to vote out of office, lawmakers that

refuse background checks and other gun safety registration. I have to register my car and carry liability auto insurance. In Texas law, there is in the least, on each policy, uninsured and underinsured liability coverage. Cars and guns hurt and kill people. State law sets up restitution. Responsibility is a part of all of us urban voters who realize we have the right to purchase a car and a gun that we are made to be responsible for, by state law first and then federal law-Assault Weapons Ban.

[pnwmom]

61. So Texas law requires gun liability insurance? That's good. Is that only a part of homeowner's,

or can anyone get it?

[PatV]

101. Well, since we're discussing 'guns'

Clinton Foundation Donors Got Weapons Deals From Hillary Clinton's State Department

These were not the only relationships bridging leaders of the two nations. In the years before Hillary Clinton became secretary of state, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia contributed at least $10 million to the Clinton Foundation, the philanthropic enterprise she has overseen with her husband, former president Bill Clinton. Just two months before the deal was finalized, Boeing -- the defense contractor that manufactures one of the fighter jets the Saudis were especially keen to acquire, the F-15 -- contributed $900,000 to the Clinton Foundation, according to a company press release.

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Under Clinton's leadership, the State Department approved $165 billion worth of commercial arms sales to 20 nations whose governments have given money to the Clinton Foundation, according to an IBTimes analysis of State Department and foundation data. That figure -- derived from the three full fiscal years of Clinton’s term as Secretary of State (from October 2010 to September 2012) -- represented nearly double the value of American arms sales made to the those countries and approved by the State Department during the same period of President George W. Bush’s second term.

The Clinton-led State Department also authorized $151 billion of separate Pentagon-brokered deals for 16 of the countries that donated to the Clinton Foundation, resulting in a 143 percent increase in completed sales to those nations over the same time frame during the Bush administration. These extra sales were part of a broad increase in American military exports that accompanied Obama’s arrival in the White House. The 143 percent increase in U.S. arms sales to Clinton Foundation donors compares to an 80 percent increase in such sales to all countries over the same time period.

American defense contractors also donated to the Clinton Foundation while Hillary Clinton was secretary of state and in some cases made personal payments to Bill Clinton for speaking engagements. Such firms and their subsidiaries were listed as contractors in $163 billion worth of Pentagon-negotiated deals that were authorized by the Clinton State Department between 2009 and 2012.

The State Department formally approved these arms sales even as many of the deals enhanced the military power of countries ruled by authoritarian regimes whose human rights abuses had been criticized by the department. Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, Oman and Qatar all donated to the Clinton Foundation and also gained State Department clearance to buy caches of American-made weapons even as the department singled them out for a range of alleged ills, from corruption to restrictions on civil liberties to violent crackdowns against political opponents.

http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187

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Isn't old Bill currently saying he took speech money from Algeria "ACCIDENTALLY" ?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511669424#post13
Oops! Bill Clinton Says He Accidentally Took $500,000 From Algeria During Key Arms Negotiations



Well, how does this work? Apparently the Clinton family charity used the US State Department coming and going, sort of like a list of prospective clients/customers. You had to donate if you wanted weapons. You had to donate if you wanted to sell weapons. And you had to donate and let Bill babble and spew at you at a huge hourly rate if you were the buyer.

That's obscene. They're making money off the death of civilians everywhere.

[FarPoint]

53. This is a FIxed" video with a scam to get donations.

There is absolutely no link to validate... Just ActBlue...It's just a commercial.

[cui bono]

97. The video is from youtube. Duh.

.

[Firebrand Gary]

2. Bernie's campaign and supporters are in full on panic mode.

It's time for Sander's campaign to be on the receiving end of all of the trash he's thrown at Hillary's campaign. What comes around goes around. Fare is fare.

[Matt_in_STL]

5. What has the world come to when pointing out the truth is "trash"

Hillary is playing with mutually assured destruction here to insure that, if she can't have the presidency, then neither can Bernie.

If there ever was a chance of "unity" this will end that.

[pnwmom]

50. Exactly. So why is there something nefarious about her going after his gun rights positions?

It is true he voted against the Brady bill and for a very key bill that overturned gun liability laws in all the states.

[DhhD]

60. It will bring up why the Assault Weapons Band has not been put in place again. Will that mean that

Clinton is pointing the finger at herself? She is part of the Democratic Party.

[pnwmom]

86. He's still a Senator who can introduce a bill -- she's not. And he doesn't even address

the issue of gun control or gun violence on his own website, among "issues." Much less an assault weapons ban.

She does.

Keep military-style weapons off our streets. Military-style assault weapons do not belong on our streets. They are a danger to law enforcement and to our communities. Hillary will work to keep assault weapons off our streets and supports reinstating the assault weapons ban

hillaryclinton.com/issues

[Duckhunter935]

7. Name some of that "trash"

You must mean the things that the Hillary surrogates and Brock have been doing to Bernie for months?

[Cobalt Violet]

23. When was the last time she won a state?

lol. No panic here. I think the panic is Hillary's side. She's the one who has to resort to dirty tricks and smears.

[dixiegrrrrl]

40. And dirty looks.............

[FailureToCommunicate]

45. Yikes.

That is unsettling!

[safeinOhio]

59. Made me donate again.

A million like minded people send $30 million and then do it again every time and pretty soon you have some real money. Screw the 1% and power to the 99%.

Go Bernie the Bird Man.

[libdem4life]

96. OMG...that's going to raise some money. Don't hurt the birdie. n/t

[redwitch]

32. Sander's campaign throws the truth at Hillary and you call it trash.

And I must add that I find it amusing that she is struggling to keep up financially. Fair is fair.

[dixiegrrrrl]

38. How much IS the fare, exactly? n/t

[frylock]

89. Yeah, interesting slip there.

[Deadshot]

42. There's a difference between trash and truth.

Bernie has been telling the truth the whole time.

Why do you hate the truth?

[Scuba]

57. Actually, Bernie's team has been celebrating. Seven out of the last eight.

[thereismore]

75. Into the bog of eternal stench! nt

[dana_b]

88. Telling the TRUTH is trash?

So I guess what comes out of Clinton's own mouth is trash because that's all he has "thrown" at her.

[tomm2thumbs]

3. My guess is they'll be dropping stories in the New York daily papers, tabloid-style

like the Obama picture in traditional garb that was sent to The Drudge Report, remember that winner?

[SusanCalvin]

18. I dislike Hillary (and her campaign) intensely, but I hope they don't.

(And I will hold my nose and vote for her if necessary.)

Her campaign caused me to make my first-ever pre-general contribution to Obama in 2008. With Bernie I didn't wait. But, please, I wish they'd save going tacky for the general, if they get there.

[tomm2thumbs]

33. what is that phrase, 'Past is Prologue'?

Her reactions to that Greenpeace girl's question were all one needs to see on where HRC's head is at right now

[wolfie001]

51. I think the phrase is:

....a leopard can't change it's spots....

[tomm2thumbs]

52. OMG

[SusanCalvin]

93. I'm afraid you may be right... nt

[DemocracyDirect]

4. Bernie's supporters are holding back also.

And unlike David Brock we won't need to lie.

[Matt_in_STL]

6. Hillary claims she has been "vetted" but there is plenty more to be vocal about

She would do herself a favor by not opening a line of attack which will only backfire on her.

[DemocracyDirect]

8. She has only one election in her life.

And that was a carpetbagger type of election.

I just don't understand how anyone can say she has been "vetted".

[OhZone]

11. She's been under scrutiny for decades!

Where have you been?

[DemocracyDirect]

15. And while most of the scrutiny was rabid right wing propaganda...

... I am afraid that some of what has happened since is quite serious.

And I am not talking about Benghazi.

The Clinton Foundation and Email issues are terrifying.

Not only do they endanger our ability to win the election in November they may be a huge liability of President Clinton and President Obama's legacy.

I have respect for Hillary Clinton's public service but I am afraid beyond not being my choice, she may destroy everything we have all worked for due to ambition.

[Matt_in_STL]

21. It is one thing to be able to blow off right wing bluster as conspiracy

But if members of her own party start going after her full force with TV ads covering things like the FBI investigation, the foundation, and her cozy relationship with Wall Street, people will take note and it won't go well.

The other option is to let her do what she plans and just sit back to watch it blow up in her face, as it always has (see 2008 for great examples).

[OhZone]

22. LOL!

The GOP already admitted Benghazi was just to hurt Hillary's poll numbers. They've had like 8 investigations and found NOTHING.

The Clinton Foundation is a charity that does great work around the globe. Weopons sales were going to happen anyway.

The email thing is nothing.

You've fallen for GOP BS.

[DemocracyDirect]

35. I really hope you are right.

Because if you are wrong and she wins the nomination and they blow up....

We will lose the election in November and the planet sometime after that.

[safeinOhio]

62. Get ready to travel to

Panama.

[zalinda]

68. I'm sorry for you. The Clinton Foundation is a little more

than a front for money laundering or the equivalent. Their Haiti work which the publicized on various MSM spots turned out to be building a luxury hotel, on the other side of the island from the poor. They even imported help to build and run the thing. The poor are still living in tar paper shacks today.

When the news blurbs first started appearing, I had a very good impression of the Clintons, but the more I learn about them, the less I like them. My mother hated Bill with a passion, I thought she saw him as a womanizer, like my father. It turns out, she liked my father more than Bill Clinton. I think she saw in him the snake that he is. I, on the other hand, tend to take people at face value. I'm learning more and more that I have more heart than sense.

Z

[FlatBaroque]

9. ...then they fight you....

how does the next line go?

[Madmiddle]

13. The Clinton Mafia is now

in full panic mode. When this happens, people die. There's alist out there of the people that have died under their regime!!!

[Peace Patriot]

16. Well, I guess Bernie does have a chance, eh? Who da thot!

Especially if Clinton incinerates her own campaign. Imagine that--Clinton feeling the Bern!

[tomm2thumbs]

17. PAUSE & look at that map in the beginning shot of the video

that says it all - and Nevada is likely going to swing to Bernie so color that light blue as well

[thesquanderer]

64. I'd really like to see what they had said leading up to that clip. Anyone have a video link?

That is an interesting map that shows a real potential advantage for Sanders, even allowing for losing New York (and Pennsylvania). It would look even more impressive for him if they had done something like stripe the states that were virtual ties. If I've got my states right, based on numbers from the Green Papers site, that map gives Hillary Illinois (where they ended up with the exact same # of delegates), and Massachusetts and Missouri (where they are separated by only 1), and Iowa (where they are separated by only 2, probably at least one of which resulted from a series of coin flips).

[tomm2thumbs]

65. it was CNN

they were probably hammering the 'he can't win anything other than Vermont' mantra

[86derps]

19. Bring It

I welcome the malicious, untrue, desperate attacks from Hillary Clinton. This will only insure that Bernie wins New York, the Primary and ultimately the Presidency.

Bring It!

[Chasstev365]

20. Will It Backfire, Again?

I think, fundamentally, Democrats want fairness. When Hillary's campaign has done these sorts of things to Bernie, it's only helped him.

What don't they get?

[Red Knight]

24. "Party unity can come later"

It's the same kind of thinking that DWS and the DNC have--a dismissive arrogance that sees his supporters as having no place else to go anyway.

This, IMO would be the biggest mistake of her campaign.

Grind it out--take your win when you get it--and the math and party apparatus are strongly on her side anyway.

But getting angry and trying to destroy Bernie in some ugly fashion will not help her.

Also--I'm sure she's expecting to take on Trump and feels real good about that. I'm not so sure that the Republicans will let Trump win. They see the GE numbers as well. She may end up facing someone much tougher and actually need the progressives.

But when she looks--not enough of them will be there.

She's going to blow it.

[A Simple Game]

55. One good thing will come out of this "Party unity can come later."

At least for a while all the Hillary supporters will quit telling us to be nice and get behind the inevitable candidate.

So let's have open war and let the best man win; yes I said man.

[yuiyoshida]

70. or maybe party Unity will not come later..

just sayin....

[A Simple Game]

71. My opinion is that if Bernie doesn't win the Democratic nomination the party will

be irrevocably damaged. Most likely it's membership will drop below that of the Republicans which is also bleeding membership at a large rate. Both parties are in serious trouble.

[yuiyoshida]

72. true dat!

[Dragonfli]

98. There are larger elephants (or block of voters) in the room that one must understand we will lose

There are the independent voters that have only come out for Bernie (they are Independents because they don't like either party's establishments or corruption) contrary to popular belief, they are mostly to the left of the current Democratic party, but about 30% are just right wing bigots that don't like establishment Republicans (lets call them the Trump revolution), they have been polled and like all the stuff we lost when we abandoned the FDR, LBJ programs and the union factory jobs IOW the american dream.

Of those polled 70% are in favor of left wing (old school policies that are and were Democratized Socialism FDR, LBJ policies and even beyond that), I think they are the displaced and disgusted x Democrats, the only reason the party has not shrunk to lower than the 29% of the population the party lately enjoys, is some were replaced by moderate Republicans in the form of "new Democrats" or DLCers if you prefer that have been forced out of the R party by the John Birch Society loons and Theocrats. You will notice that in open primary States the numbers match and we gain much of that 70% (I) for Sanders in tangible votes, they will go Bernie or Bust, they don't like establishment right wing Democrats like Hillary, we did get some back in the '08 voting cycle but long story short we lost them due to feeling they fell for false advertising (one could argue rightly or wrongly so), but lost again nevertheless This block of voters is crucial to win a GE

There is the younger vote that will mostly only come out for Bernie, they are very well informed (not buying into the Pravda media outlets) tend not to vote in many elections because they see through the establishment and only see themselves losing a future they should have, ecologically and financially and don't see the value in voting to continue the trend.

The ecological part is rather self evident because actual climate change is quite real and will effect them more than the older generations, and being well informed, they see establishment politicians as continuing the fossil fuel favoring industries that support both parties through lobbyists.
Financially they see themselves either falling heavily in debt for college and end up flipping burgers anyway for the most part (some do get good jobs from degrees but far too few and are still in great debt) the rest see college as an unattainable pipe dream and end up flipping burgers or unemployed, many of both groups are forced to live at their parents homes much longer than in past generations This block of voters is crucial to win a GE.

There are the disenchanted, or too busy trying to live non voters that until Bernie showed up had given up on politics long ago as a means to positively affect their lives, most of them are poor which include the terminally unemployed in regions such as mine where all of the jobs outside of clerks at stores and restaurant workers have vanished since NAFTA, and the working poor that work two or three jobs for the privilege of trying to raise a family in poverty even tho they work hard, they are very stressed about things like, can we pay the rent or the utility bill this month and sometimes have to choose, that choice leaving them as prey to the pay day loan sharks. This is the fastest growing demographic as this is the hell you are sent to as the middle class disappears if you are not already born into it as most are. This is the largest group of voters , usually non voters as evidenced by our very low national turnout the last 4 decades, because of this This block of voters is crucial to win a GE.


Now, the 29% or 30% of solid Democrat voters are in a civil war between the traditional (and the only successful for the 99% policy wise) old school FDR LBJ Democrats, and the what would once have been called Moderate Republican "New" Democrats. It is a very real schism in the party.

For all the blustering and anger during the primary they will still probably, for the most part hold there nose and vote for the lesser of two evil Republicans types in the GE, but lacking the three groups I mentioned above that few on DU are talking about we can not win a General election, especially if Hillary wins and unites the Republicans in their common hatred of her that now spans two generations (I personally believe they will break records coming out for the privilege of hate voting against her).

Perhaps enough of the three un-talked about elephants in the room I mentioned will show up to vote with the Democrats against the Republicans, under a Clinton nominee, I have my doubts, but perhaps.

But two things are certain.
One, these three groups will come out in much large numbers for Sanders and polling shows this, and two, if Clinton goes all scorched earth she may actually split the party enough that the nose holding Democrats won't unite this time around around her as they usually do in the end and she will only increase her negative polling, hurting her further with the other three non Republican groups mentioned above and will most assuredly lose us more registered Democrats. JMHO

All that being said, my conclusion is we all lose if she doesn't stop with the frustration induced and ill advised hateful scorched earth policy she appears to be moving toward.

[A Simple Game]

103. Nice analysis, thanks Dragonfli. n/t

[Dragonfli]

99. See post number 98 Yui

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017350521#post98

[MisterP]

84. "what do the VOTERS have to do with an ELECTION?!"

[frylock]

90. Their idea of party unity outreach is asking "Who are you going to vote for, hippy?"

[BeyondGeography]

25. Good practice if he's to be the nominee

Even if it will be tiddlywinks compared with what the GOP would do to him.

[pnwmom]

26. There's nothing "tricky" or sinister about attacking him with regard to his gun record.

He's voted against the Brady bill and for the bill that overturned gun liability laws in all the states.

That is a very fair issue to call him on.

[Chasstev365]

39. But to Call Hillary Out for.....

1. $45 million in speaking fees from Wall Street
2. Voting for the Iraq War.
3. Clinton Foundation Pay to Play
4. Flip Flopping on the issues like a trapeze artist
5. Using the DNC as a personal powerful arm of her campaign
6. Not releasing transcripts

Is being mean and sexist, right?

[cprise]

85. "Gun liability laws" - lol

I think you mean wacky campaign-promise laws that Clinton has no intention of pursuing in office. Making gun manufacturers responsible for what people do with them is the most insane thing anyone has imagined.

Besides, that issue just not enough to "disqualify" a candidate for any office. Clinton has helped make a mess of the economy with FTAs and giving cover to her banker friends. She has brought disaster in Libya, Syria and Yemen *and* central America. And that's just scratching the surface. When people look at her deeds they often have a hard time distinguishing her from GW Bush, which is no surprise because she loves to use pro-war Bush advisors as her own.

[liberal N proud]

27. BS! If this were true, why is the HRC campaign trying to get him on the DC ballot?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110790874

She might bury him, but it will be by delegate count.
~c200

[Lodestar]

29. Yeah...it worked so well in her last run for prez...

old dog, old tricks. Woof.

[frylock]

91. arf-arf-arf

[MrMickeysMom]

31. Ruin him now, get party unity later...

Right....

God, isn't it just GREAT to be a part of this exploding unity???

[Fritz Walter]

34. This reeks of desperation n/t

[Vinca]

36. I can't think of a better way for her to alienate Bernie voters.

Trash him now, no unity later. Promise.

[stillwaiting]

46. She already has for quite a number of his supporters. Time still to do more damage!

There is always time for more damage with her.

[SmittynMo]

41. I welcome her plan

It's the quickest way to lose the race for her. Just think of the after effects.

[Harriety]

44. Bring back Olbermann. He knows how to state the obvious very well....

[Tragl1]

47. It's just

It's just because essentially they have run out platform, policy, and financially, the Bernie campaign is a nightmare for her. It becomes decidedly harder for donors to justify fronting more into an "inevitable" candidate that is so weak she can't beat a crazy "unamerican", "non-democrat, democratic socialist." See, their attack line isn't going to work, it's just confusing. She is getting out fundraised, losing states and any ability she's has had to dictate the pace and tempo of the race in terms of political capital and context, well that's over. Their will be some bite in her still, but I truly think the blowback over third way Karl Rovian politics and Bill "is" economics lurking in people's minds, plus no one got hurt in Libya unfavorable numbers, which drives all of this angst against her. She's going to just end up distorting herself because you can't lie yourself into an actual policy position. No matter how well you argue on the Internet, it still doesn't cook dinner? It's reality that gets her.

[Amimnoch]

49. Good. She's waited longer than she should have.

He's a viable candidate.

His surrogates have had no trouble in using "truth" to smear her.

Time to repay the favor.

Bring to the front the back stories that few have seen.

Trot out the REAL definition of "Democratic Socialism", not the pretty one that touts it as actually being capitalism by his surrogates to soften the feel.

Get those papers he wrote when he was younger into the campaign ads.

Get the Jane Sanders land fraud and loan fraud charges out there for more than just us political junkies to see.

Put his cherry picked voting record at the forefront, just like they have for her.

Bring out the pedophile he had on his campaign staff and defended.

Call him out for the complete fiction that is his campaign platform.

Those of you who like to hide behind his campaign attacks as being "truths".. Well, all of the above are "truths" as well, but the Hillary campaign has had enough class not to trot out during the primary season. I'd also held my tongue on them, because, IMO those are the kinds of issues and smears best left in the General Election. I'd rather not hand the republicans their talking points.. But, fair is fair. Sanders and his surrogates have made it all fair game.

See his "truth" and raise it with "truth".

Personally, I would have rather seen the season play out differently, and Sanders keeping his campaign promise to keep it positive and civil.

[thereismore]

77. Into the bog of eternal stench with you. Bye. nt

[frylock]

92. Please proceed.

[Mike Nelson]

54. Hope this is not true...

...she doesn't need to do this (she's winning) and both Hillary and Bernie look bad when attacking each other. They should stay positive.

[Ford_Prefect]

56. It won't be a question of "party loyalty". It will be one of trust. I cannot see people trusting her

after her campaign attacks in such a foul way. Many Democrats already see her and her co-hort as the un-democratic alternative, representing old school lying and cheating politics as usual.

The outright manipulation of the system and the voters has a stink of duplicity that will not wash off later on. Why on earth would anyone expect her to represent traditional Democratic values and causes when her record in the past and during the campaign is to oppose so much of that tradition?

Her finances are about to catch up with her. Her chief adviser John Podesta was just outed as representing one of the Russian Banks involved in off shore banking for the Putin empire. The press has begun to notice the details of the DNC scheme to eliminate progressive Democrats from the party.

This will not get better. Democrats who stood in LONG lines to oppose her last night, or last week, or last month are not going to "feel" like getting the vote out for her in November. That's called human nature. Democrats in general are not often motivated to vote by fear. They tend to be more independent minded than the milling herd of Republican voters.

Politics can be ugly, brutal, blood sport but that doesn't mean it ought to be. Burn those bridges now and you won't have them in November, or October, or any other month.

It's not that people don't believe Hillary will be president, it's that they believe as president she won't do the things many Democratic voters want and desperately need done. That perception will not improve if the DNC program to use any means possible to destroy Bernie Sanders succeeds.

Many in the DNC have observed that Democrats will need a strong turnout in November to beat the Republican machine regardless of who the GOP nominee is. Many wise (and otherwise) observers agree with that assessment. If the party is broken by a phenomenally ugly primary how does it then go forward to defeat a well financed and entrenched GOP to gain enough Senate seats to assist a presumed Democratic president?

Brock and Podesta may well understand how to bull their way to the top. If they destroy the Democratic Party on the way what will they have accomplished? The adage "Be careful what you wish for" seems an understatement here. In the information age political wounds are not so easily healed nor divisions brushed over. That's the facts, Jack!

[tomm2thumbs]

63. well stated - OP worthy

especially given the awkward-urgency of the Clinton Campaign to get this over with while losing state after state but claiming they have the mandate... wondering if there are many more shoes to drop before June (or all the way to the convention) that they won't want to have dramatically appear when a better alternative is still in the running

[Dragonfli]

100. See my post #98 above as it speaks to many of your excellence points and expands on some others.

Especially regarding voter turnout in the GE that compliments the truth in your op as to how that effects the Senate and House down ticket races (which I should have included)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017350521#post98

[7wo7rees]

66. Thanks for link, just gave.

[tomm2thumbs]

67. thumbs up to that!

[thereismore]

73. They are already trying to pin the Sandy Hook murders on him. A word of advice to Clinton:

Carefully.

If people sense you are using dead children to get elected, you're toast. New Yorkers, I am told, don't like bullshit sandwich.

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

80. True that.

[antigop]

76. "They can unify the party later". Oh, yeah, that'll work. nt

[markpkessinger]

95. And even if that would work . . .

. . . merely unifying the party isn't enough to win. One also has to win over a substantial margin of independents -- a demographic Bernie shows far more strength with than does Hillary.

[Lil Missy]

78. It's about time./t

[pa28]

81. She's got nerve to complain about Bernie's "tone" while running a hit campaign.

Clinton is disqualifying someone alright. It's just not who she thinks.

[Faux pas]

82. A**HOLES

[panfluteman]

83. Interesting Historical Parallels and Prophetic Portents!

The last time I was in Romania, my astrological teacher and mentor over there told me about the prophecy of a Bulgarian seer and prophetess named Baba Vanga who predicted that Barack Obama would be the last president of the United States - and presumably that the country and its political system would fall apart after his administration. Is this what we could be witnessing right now in this 2016 election campaign???

On the Republican side, the party establishment has vowed to block Trump at all costs, even if he should be the clear leader in delegates at the convention this summer. And all the "clown car" candidates, Trump included, have serious character flaws and defects, and seem to be clearly not up to the job of leading this country. And so, the Republican party seems to be on the road to breakdown and disintegration.

And now, on the Democratic side, we have this - a divisive battle between Bernie and Hillary threatening to tear the party apart. But can the Democratic party truly be healed and unified if the will of its traditional base - the working people and middle class of this country - is ignored and overridden by Clinton's corporations and lobbyists? Wouldn't that just set the stage for Bernie's political revolution, one way or another, with or without the sanction of the party bosses? This whole race between Bernie and Hillary has put the corporate corruption of the current party leadership, aided and abetted by the corporate media, into crystal clarity and stark relief, and the people are finally waking up to what is going on. Ripe for political disintegration here as well.

Could this be "the perfect storm" that will tear our country and its political system apart?

[bvar22]

87. Did someone say "guns"?

[Ruby the Liberal]

102. "She's takin' like shes Annie Oakley

...out in the duck blind every Sunday..."

I guess her tireless support of the Second Amendment expired a few years ago?

[markpkessinger]

94. "Running out of patience" . . . What entitled arrogance! n/t