Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forum*HILLARY GROUP* Here's the one number that proves Bernie Sanders isn't a threat to Hillary Clinton
Some more calm reassurance for our Hillary Group.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/heres-the-one-number-that-proves-bernie-sanders-isnt-a-threat-to-hillary-clinton/ar-AAcAhUp
According to CNN, only 2% of Democratic voters think Sanders has the best chance of winning the general election. That number has proven to be a red flag for any candidate.
Studies have long shown that most voters desire to cast their vote for a winning candidate, and they'll often vote for their second choice if they perceive the candidate to have a better chance of winning. As University of Maryland professor Eric Pacuit points out, many voters in 2000 who supported Green Party candidate Ralph Nader ended up voting for Democratic nominee Al Gore.
There are a couple of reasons for this. According to Duke researchers Daniel Kselman and Emerson Noiu, some voters cast their votes strategically, as some Nader supporters did for Gore. Other simply desire to jump on the bandwagon of the winning team.
Voting behavior aside, Sanders's recent gains in New Hampshire shouldn't be projected elsewhere.
CNN Poll
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)"Reality Bites"?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)pocoloco
(3,180 posts)"voters desire to cast their vote for a winning candidate"
What a fucked up reason to vote for someone, and the reason for
the current conditions in the US!
Wow, just fucking Wow!!
Response to pocoloco (Reply #17)
hrmjustin This message was self-deleted by its author.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)a desire to vote for a losing candidate?
Do you like straight pretzels or really twisty ones?
It's fun to support our candidate of choice. Why do people feel they can come in our sandbox and kick sand in our face? I don't do that in their sand box!
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)On Sun Jul 5, 2015, 03:33 PM you sent an alert on the following post:
Calling Hillary supporters piss fucking ignorant to their face!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=11171
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
YOUR COMMENTS
I am bnning this person from this room but this poster has called HRC supporters ignorant in the HRC room. Please hide this.
JURY RESULTS
A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sun Jul 5, 2015, 03:47 PM, and voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT ALONE.
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: While the vulgarity is improper, until DU makes such words unlawful to the realm, censorship would be errant.
This battle to keep HRC as the only candidate is going to get ugly; but engaging in fascism tactics to suppress all other potentials, is extreme bad form; and - most certainly - not Progressive decorum.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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I made clear it was our room.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)You would think this means all is tolerable at DU. All's fair...
No, just at Hillary Group...
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)FloridaBlues
(4,009 posts)I have been active on DU for years and the negativity has been over the top against HRC. Most days I don't even want to read DU. It's fine to be for sanders but the first ballot is 7 months away.
Keep it in perspective regarding this 'surge'.
Too many republicans coming to site and causing problems perhaps?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)CherokeeDem
(3,709 posts)I find this comment from voter #2 disturbing....
While the vulgarity is improper, until DU makes such words unlawful to the realm, censorship would be errant. This battle to keep HRC as the only candidate is going to get ugly; but engaging in fascism tactics to suppress all other potentials, is extreme bad form; and - most certainly - not Progressive decorum.
No one is engaged in keeping Hillary as the only candidate.... how absurd. We live in a democracy, but one couldn't tell it from this comment. To the fact there is no point in hiding something until DU bans the words, who needs the mods to tell us what is improper and hateful?
So ridiculous......
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)the comment that was alerted on was posted in a safe haven. How hard is it for posters to look where they post, and to never trash a candidate or his/her supporters in their room? The rules are posted for anyone to see. Unless some posters don't care and just want to leave stink bombs. They need to grow up.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I think the hury system is biased.
CherokeeDem
(3,709 posts)My god.... DU is seriously messed up. For someone to get by with this comment is uncalled for. I've seen a lot of vitriol on this board in the past but this is horrible.
They simply can not handle the truth...
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,021 posts)Go ahead, call me "piss fucking ignorant" I'll laugh and laugh and consider the source.
Cha
(297,858 posts)ignorance and profanity.
okasha
(11,573 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Not feeling threatened,
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)We need good Democratic candidates to take on contestable House and Senate seats in 2016.
I want Hillary's "evening gown train" to sweep us in a Democratic Congress!
Enough with the primary side show.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Ya think DU is bad, unfortunately its gonna get much worse.
SunSeeker
(51,757 posts)sheshe2
(83,978 posts)nolabear
(42,001 posts)My wish would be for more reasoned debate and less vitriol between the two camps. The further someone is driven back into a corner the less likely they are to be open to change.
murielm99
(30,778 posts)We are subject to human nature as well.
The more vitriol we see, the more determined we are to work for Hillary and to donate to her campaign. The more the repubbies dump hate and lies on her, the more we will fight for her.
nolabear
(42,001 posts)I'm not keeping track of who says what at all so I'm not pointing any fingers, but when the general comes along I'm hoping no one cuts off their nose, so to speak, out of anger about what has been said to or about them in the primary.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)What do we debate?
nolabear
(42,001 posts)jalan48
(13,905 posts)Establishment candidate a shoe-in, but at what cost?
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)I see an establishment - don't you?
jalan48
(13,905 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)jalan48
(13,905 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)You won't be nymore.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)When did electing a substantially credentialed liberal Democratic woman of Hillary Clinton's stature (so reviled by conservative Republicans!) not be considered progressive?
Who are these people?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I think it is a badge of honor for some and some are trying to bait us so we get hides.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)It's hard to hold your tongue in a safe haven, isn't it?
Where is William769? - never mind, we know...
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,245 posts)and if you respond in kind, you're the one who winds up with the hide. Truly amazing.
Cha
(297,858 posts)Sanders, a liberal icon, has emerged as a surprisingly strong candidate since launching his campaign two months ago, raising $15 million and making huge gains on Clinton recently among Democratic voters in Iowa, which will host the country's first presidential caucus.
Yet at least 26 Democrats representing the 69-member Congressional Progressive Caucus a bastion of liberal thinking that Sanders helped to launch have already endorsed Clinton, according to a tally being kept by The Hill.
The list includes liberal stalwarts like Reps. Rosa DeLaura (D-Conn.) and Debbie Dingell (D-Mich.) both forceful voices in the recent trade debate that Clinton was reluctant to enter and Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.), Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) and Jim McDermott (D-Wash.), three vociferous critics of an Iraq War that Clinton, as a New York senator, supported.
yallerdawg http://www.democraticunderground.com/110711038
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Our attention span and fundamentals of reading now ends at 144 characters or less.
The problem is, in 144 characters or less you can still be annoyingly wrong, wrong, wrong!
Right, Cha?
Tarheel_Dem
(31,245 posts)Bernie Sanders is winning a third of the vote in Iowa and New Hampshire, according to the latest polls. Nearly 10,000 people showed up at his Wisconsin rally this week. Roughly 250,000 small donors have contributed to his campaign.
At Hillary Clintons Brooklyn HQ, its as if theyve never heard of him.
The Clinton campaign is reading straight from the front-runners playbook when dealing with the socialist Vermont senator. Her staff insists its taking Sanders polling bump seriously while showing no signs of changing its long-charted course. There are no new plans to attack Sanders, no alterations of the forthcoming policy rollouts that will dot the summer calendar, and no expected leftward sprints to match him policy-for-policy. She doesnt even mention his name on the campaign trail.
Instead, the former secretary of states political operation is making a show of its organizational muscle and safeguarding its position beyond the early-voting states. Far from sweating over reports of standing-room-only crowds at the Vermonters events, the Clinton campaign is breathing a quiet sigh of relief that its Sanders and not a potentially more viable primary opponent like Elizabeth Warren nipping at its heels this summer. The senators name pops up in conversations at Clintons Brooklyn headquarters, but hes not the topic of the day, week or month not even in the candidates chats with donors, who are keeping a close tab on the state of play.
No ones hair is on fire about him, explained Maria Cardona, a national Democratic strategist who remains in close touch with the Clinton camp after working for Hillarys 2008 campaign. Not even the nose hairs. Nothing.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/bernie-who-119721.html#ixzz3f3dpvq9h
This is why I don't feel the need to combat all the fantastical headlines and accusations of "Fear" by the BS crowd. I don't blame people who want to "set the record straight", but it's like arguing with two year olds, and I figure....what's the point?
This is why I want HRC's media surrogates to just Cool It! BS is no threat. Speak about him in glowing terms if you must, but no need to attack.
If we've learned anything, it's the ugliness of some of his most ardent supporters, and they're not winning anyone over with that. They are, in fact, his greatest liability. The groups they need to buy in feel more alienated than ever from BS, and it has less to do with him, and more to do with his so-called "supporters".
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)How often does a campaign staff actually ignore primary opposition?
Of course the 'anyone buts' will characterize it as "whistling past the graveyard" but I see no good reason for Hillary to promote Senator Sanders (I-VT). Let BS work for it - if he is on the same stage with Hillary, then he must have earned it, right?
George II
(67,782 posts)...on this site like they own it, and woe to anyone who doesn't jump on the bandwagon. I'm sure they're turning more people off than turning people on to Sanders.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,245 posts)I don't see that changing. If the attitude displayed here is any indication, I hope, for BS' sake, that none of his DU "supporters" are working door-to-door.
Gothmog
(145,722 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...and in New Hampshire, the neighboring state of Vermont with almost identical demographics (95% caucasian) and even in those states he's behind by double digits.
I saw a post the other day claiming that Sanders was in a "statistical dead heat" with Clinton because he was trailing by 8% with a margin of error of +/- 4%, assuming that Clinton was the -4% and Sanders was the +4%!
I pointed out that Clinton could be ahead by 16% (taking the opposite 4%s for each) and was "shouted down" by the Sanders bullies.
That's when I decided to come here (BTW, I've been blocked from posting in the Sanders group - reality is too much for "them"!)
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Safe havens are zones of intolerance - I hope. The groups stress unfettered positivity towards the candidate or the subject of choice.
GD and now GD Primaries are for argument, but you have to try to keep it respectful and impersonal, or you can get "swarm hides."
Most liberal activists (people who care and do something! including pointless blog and internet activity) are anti-establishment and idealistic. Iowa caucus participants and a lot of DUers are of course anti-Hillary.
In 2008 Iowa caucus, Hillary came in 3rd. I'm pretty sure, no matter what, Hillary will place higher this time!
George II
(67,782 posts)...to allow posts in a group to appear on the left side of the home page.
What they (Sanders supporters) do is get their cadre of like-thinkers (toned that one down) to DU-Rec the crap out of their posts so they show up on that home screen.
Right now, 3 of 5 posts under "Trending Now" are pro-Sanders and 3 of 5 under "Greatest Threads" are pro-Sanders (and some under each also include anti-Hillary comments in the OPs or the responses)
You can't tell me, with all the posts made each day here, that 60% of the TOP posts are pro-Sanders. And I've seen as many as 4 or even 5 of the 5 in each category be pro-Sanders.
It's a bully mentality, and it's only getting worse.
Sorry, but I can't wait for the first few primaries when Sanders gets thrashed so this crap will go away.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Excellent. Now you can relax and stop arguing with us (Sanders supporters) when we attack your candidate. We're just a bunch of inconsequential, annoying, haranguing, progressive, socialist... Ok, that's enough with the adjectives. Seriously, I'm trying to convince the Sanders supporters to back down a little and be a little more circumspect, as Bernie is himself. You guys could do the same thing, not because you like us, or because we deserve any respect, but simply because Sanders stands no chance. None. Zero. Zilch. See? You can relax now. Would you like a gin & tonic? I make them with just the right lime garnish.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)I'm only partially serious. I realize people get very intense about their candidates, and I do wish both sides would choose their words more carefully.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Steam on! I know we (the Sanders supporters) can be really annoying at times, and there have been some nasty hit pieces on Clinton. I get upset by that stuff, too, even though it's supposed to be in support of my guy.