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DeepModem Mom

(38,402 posts)
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 10:34 PM Aug 2015

Hillary Clinton Was Liberal. Hillary Clinton Is Liberal. (Hillary Group)

A bunch of reporters have recently discovered a shocking truth: Hillary Clinton is liberal! (I heard a rumor that Columbo has been helping with the investigation.)

We’ve gotten this raft of “Clinton is liberal” exposés as Clinton has revved up her 2016 campaign, speaking out in support of gay marriage, a pathway to citizenship for immigrants in the U.S. illegally, and criminal justice reform. But what many of these articles miss is that Clinton has always been, by most measures, pretty far to the left. When she’s shifted positions, it has been in concert with the entire Democratic Party.

To see how these different issues fit together to form an overall political ideology, we usually use three metrics: one based on congressional voting record, one based on public statements and one based on fundraising.

Clinton was one of the most liberal members during her time in the Senate. According to an analysis of roll call votes by Voteview, Clinton’s record was more liberal than 70 percent of Democrats in her final term in the Senate. She was more liberal than 85 percent of all members. Her 2008 rival in the Democratic presidential primary, Barack Obama, was nearby with a record more liberal than 82 percent of all members — he was not more liberal than Clinton.

Clinton also has a history of very liberal public statements. Clinton rates as a “hard core liberal” per the OnTheIssues.org scale. She is as liberal as Elizabeth Warren and barely more moderate than Bernie Sanders. And while Obama is also a “hard core liberal,” Clinton again was rated as more liberal than Obama....

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/hillary-clinton-was-liberal-hillary-clinton-is-liberal/ via FiveThirtyEight

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Hillary Clinton Was Liberal. Hillary Clinton Is Liberal. (Hillary Group) (Original Post) DeepModem Mom Aug 2015 OP
But, but she was a Goldwater Girl mcar Aug 2015 #1
that ol talking point riversedge Aug 2015 #4
It is riversedge mcar Aug 2015 #6
Yes, Hillary is liberal, in fact she and Elizabeth Warren are rated together by Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #2
If Sanders hadn't called himself a socialist, okasha Aug 2015 #3
You are right, don't know where he stands, looks like corporations is close to Bernie. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #5
Yes, you are so right. msrizzo Aug 2015 #7

mcar

(42,464 posts)
6. It is riversedge
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 08:41 AM
Aug 2015

Given that many DUers second hero, Elizabeth Warren (whomI love, BTW), was a registered Republican into the 1990s, one would think that HRC slam would be seen as meaningless.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
2. Yes, Hillary is liberal, in fact she and Elizabeth Warren are rated together by
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 10:45 PM
Aug 2015

On the Issues. Bernie is too far left for me so I am very happy with Hillary. She has been advocating liberal issues in her adult life and I might add on issues of women we needed someone advocating for us.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
3. If Sanders hadn't called himself a socialist,
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 12:11 AM
Aug 2015

he would not be seen as any further left than Hillary. On some issues, he's more conservative/libertarian: gun control, Israel, the MIC, especially its latest boondoggle, the F-35.

msrizzo

(796 posts)
7. Yes, you are so right.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 11:30 AM
Aug 2015

But apparently it is not up to us to define liberal or progressive anymore, it seems to just equal Bernie supporter these days. I never even know what to say about that. It doesn't matter, though. I am really trying to keep my cool. I know that economic issues are important. Trust me I lost a lot when the economy crashed--equity in my home, and real dollars in my retirement account. I'm not happy about any of that, but what a lot of Sanders supporters call "identity politics" are the issues that hit me where I live. And I like Hillary for that because I think she will really make a difference there.

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