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King_David

(14,851 posts)
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:27 AM Dec 2012

Think Again: Disproportionate criticism

By JONATHAN ROSENBLUM 12/13/2012 15:53 The success of the Iron Dome antimissile system allowed Israel to pursue a calibrated policy in Operation Pillar of Defense.

Israeli military actions are consistently judged and found wanting by metrics that are applied to no other army or conflict. Application of these standards is designed to render Israel incapable of defending its citizens.

Prominent among these new metrics is the comparison of Israeli casualties to those of the civilian population from whose midst the enemy fights. As soon as the casualties on the other side exceed those suffered by Israel – usually within hours of an unprovoked attack on Israel and without any cessation of fire from the other side – Israel’s response is labeled disproportionate.

The Washington Post’s ombudsman Patrick B. Pexson, for instance, recently dismissed the overwhelming majority of rockets fired from Gaza as “like bee stings on the Israeli bear’s behind.” By which he presumably meant that they only killed a few Jews.

But there is no acceptable level of civilian casualties, and any Israeli government that treated rocket attacks on its cities as tolerable would deserve to be tossed out of office. The protection of its citizens from external attack is the first duty of any government.


http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article.aspx?id=295806

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Think Again: Disproportionate criticism (Original Post) King_David Dec 2012 OP
"There is no acceptable level of civilian casualties" shira Dec 2012 #1
Bee stings, firecrackers... oberliner Dec 2012 #2
And apparently they're justifiable, legit resistance.... shira Dec 2012 #4
Haven't we seen this all before? holdencaufield Dec 2012 #5
Waaaa! Stop crying, Zionist! shira Dec 2012 #6
Yes, I know ... holdencaufield Dec 2012 #8
It's little consolation knowing they're all on the wrong side of history again shira Dec 2012 #9
The article hits the proverbial nail holdencaufield Dec 2012 #10
You poor thing KimonoGirl Dec 2012 #7
Cry more. KimonoGirl Dec 2012 #3
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
1. "There is no acceptable level of civilian casualties"
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:41 AM
Dec 2012

Unfortunately there is, especially when Israelis are the targets.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
4. And apparently they're justifiable, legit resistance....
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:27 PM
Dec 2012

So what if millions of Israelis and their children have to run for cover in shelters?

If some die, so what?

They've apparently got it coming to them and should allow the victims that are Hamas, Islamic Jihad, PFLP, PLO to fire at will at their intended Jewish targets.

 

holdencaufield

(2,927 posts)
5. Haven't we seen this all before?
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 03:45 PM
Dec 2012

The world stands by, looks the other way, or (as often as not) smiles silently to themselves, why Jews are attacked for the crime of being Jewish.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
6. Waaaa! Stop crying, Zionist!
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 04:45 PM
Dec 2012

Last edited Sat Dec 15, 2012, 05:38 PM - Edit history (1)

The real racism: Expecting Jews to die meekly
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article.aspx?id=243452

This mode of rhetoric is no less than inciteful, Judeophobic racism, because in effect, it embodies the implicit delegitmization of the right of Jews to defend themselves. It embodies the implicit expectation that Jews should consent to die meekly. And how can an expectation that Jews die meekly be characterized other than as “inciteful, Judeophobic racism?” For no matter what the measures Israel adopts to protect its citizens from those undisguisedly trying to murder and maim them — because they are Jews — they are widely condemned as “racist,” “disproportionate violence” or even “war crimes/crimes against humanity.”

It matters not whether these measures are administrative decisions or security operations, defensive responses or anticipatory initiatives, punitive retaliations or preemptive strikes. It matters not whether they entail the emplacement of physical barriers to block the infiltration of indiscriminate murderers; the imposition of restrictions to impede their lethal movements; the execution of preventive arrests to foil their deadly intentions; the conduct of targeted killings (with unprecedentedly low levels of collateral damage) to preempt their brutal plans; the launch of military campaigns to prevent the incessant shelling of civilians...

Lip service to Israel’s right to self-defense

The depiction of these measures as arbitrary acts of wrongdoing, whose only motivation is racially driven territorial avarice and discriminatory embitterment of the lives of the Palestinians, distorts reality and disregards context. But far more perturbing, is the moral implication of this condemnation. For if all endeavors to prevent, protect or preempt are denounced as morally reprehensible, the inevitable conclusion is that they should not be employed. This implies a no less inevitable conclusion: To avoid the morally reprehensible, the Jewish state should — in effect — allow those who would attack its citizens, to do so with total impunity, and with total immunity from retribution.

True, many of Israel’s detractors protest with righteous indignation that they acknowledge that it “has a right to defend itself.” But this is quickly exposed as meaningless lip service, for whenever Israel exercises that allegedly acknowledged right, it is condemned for being excessively heavy-handed.

It makes little difference if Israel imposes a legal maritime blockade to prevent the supply of lethal armaments to Islamist extremists; or if Israeli commandos are forced to use deadly force to prevent themselves from being disemboweled by a frenzied lynch mob; or if, in response to the savage slaughter wrought by Palestinian suicide bombers — which relative to its population, dwarfed the losses on 9/11 — Israel clears the terror-infested and boobytrapped Jenin, using ground troops rather than its air force to minimize Palestinian collateral damage, thus incurring needless casualties of its own.

No matter how murderous the onslaughts initiated by the Palestinians, no matter how blatant the Palestinian brutality, no matter how outrageous the Palestinian provocation, the Israeli response is deemed inappropriate. Despite the declaration of recognition of some generic abstract right to defend itself and its citizens, it seems that in practice the only “appropriate” response is for Israel to refrain from defending itself....
 

holdencaufield

(2,927 posts)
8. Yes, I know ...
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 04:53 PM
Dec 2012

... just suck it up. Maybe if a few million more of us are ritually slaughtered the world will tone down the anti-semitism for a decade or two.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
9. It's little consolation knowing they're all on the wrong side of history again
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 06:11 PM
Dec 2012

Actually, it's no consolation at all. It is fascinating, however, to see the same shit from the past 3 millenia happening right in front of our eyes again, in what should be an enlightened age. THE most enlightened age of mankind.

There couldn't be a better argument for the state of Israel and its importance.

Not sure you saw this in my last post to you, but this article is perfect:
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article.aspx?id=243452

 

holdencaufield

(2,927 posts)
10. The article hits the proverbial nail
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:30 AM
Dec 2012

The world prefers to see Jews as victims than as protagonists.

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