Hypocrisy: UN adopts 9 resolutions on Palestinians & Golan, yet silent on Syrian massacre

[shira]

Hypocrisy: UN adopts 9 resolutions on Palestinians & Golan, yet silent on Syrian massacre of Palestinians

http://blog.unwatch.org/index.php/2012/12/19/hypocrisy-un-adopts-9-resolutions-on-palestinians-golan-yet-silent-on-syrian-massacre-of-palestinians/

GENEVA, December 18 – The U.N. General Assembly today adopted nine resolutions on Palestinian rights and the Golan, sharply criticizing Israel yet making no mention of Sunday’s massacre of Palestinians by Syrian warplanes firing missiles into a mosque in a Palestinian refugee camp near Damascus. Nor did the texts mention the tens of thousands of Palestinians who continue to flee the camp.

By the end of this week, the current 2012 UNGA session will have adopted 22 country-specific resolutions on Israel – and only four on the rest of the world combined, one each for Syria, Iran, North Korea and Burma, noted UN Watch.

Today’s resolutions criticized Israel for “the continuing systematic violation of the human rights of the Palestinian people,” and focused on “the extremely difficult socioeconomic conditions being faced by the Palestine refugees in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem.” One resolution condemned Israel for holding on to the Golan Heights, demanding Israel hand the land and its people to Syria.

“It’s astonishing,” said Hillel Neuer, executive director of UN Watch. “At a time when the Syrian regime is massacring its own people, how can the U.N. call for more people to be subject to Assad’s rule? The timing of today’s text is morally galling and logically absurd. What is also outrageous is that these resolutions claim to care about Palestinians, yet the U.N. proves itself completely oblivious to the actual suffering on the ground, happening right now: Palestinians slaughtered, maimed and expelled by Assad’s forces. Today’s farce at the General Assembly underscores a simple fact: the U.N.’s automatic majority has no interest in truly helping Palestinians, nor in protecting anyone’s human rights; the goal of these ritual, one-sided condemnations remains the scapegoating of Israel,” said Neuer.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

1. Perhaps the UN needs to find out what happened before the condemnations begin.

U.N. team inspects site of reported Syrian massacre
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/14/world/meast/syria-unrest/index.html

Massacre Reported in Syria as Security Council Meets
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/13/world/middleeast/syria-says-defecting-ambassador-is-fired.html

U.N. Monitors in Syria Find Grisly Traces of Massacre
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/09/world/middleeast/syrians-bar-un-monitors-from-a-massacre-inquiry.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Details Emerge in Reported Syria Massacre
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303919504577526983840532246.html

Looks like they are working on it.

But please, let's get shrill over another set of rulings that Israel will ignore anyway.


And you have the gall to declare who are the hypocrites?

[shira]

3. 22 resolutions against Israel. The rest of the world gets 4.

Maybe that's your idea of human rights since you don't seem to have a problem with what the UN decides to do with their time and resources.

Too bad for the people suffering under horrendous conditions 1000x worse...

Guess that's their problem, huh?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

9. If the UN passed a resolution against Syria to stop the violence

should Syria do exactly that, or should they ignore the UN?

Please, share your deepest thoughts on this.

[shira]

20. If? But they haven't. That's their job....

Like them, you're letting your animosity vs. Israel cloud your better judgment. You've gotta admit, 22 resolutions vs. Israel to 4 vs. the rest of the world combined is ridiculous. But maybe not. You really don't think that's insane, immoral, and reckless do you?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

24. I asked you a question. Why do you find it so hard to answer it?

Are you accusing the UN and I of animosity towards Israel?

Please be careful with your accusations.


Now back to the question. Care to answer it if you dare?

If the UN passed a resolution against Syria to stop the violence should Syria do exactly that, or should they ignore the UN?

Please, share your deepest thoughts on this

[shira]

30. Of course Syria should stop the violence. n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

43. So I take it that what you really mean is that

If the UN passed a resolution against Syria to stop the violence should Syria do exactly that.


Is that what you are agreeing to?


Care to answer that one?

[delrem]

44. shira is conflicted. nt

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

46. Some conflicts arise from the inability to see beyond a certain position

Pity.

[azurnoir]

5. so IOW the UN is paying attention to Syria well color me shocked

because we;ve just been told that it is not thanks for correcting that

[shira]

7. You must be so proud that the UN couldn't find time to condemn Syria....

...with a UNGA resolution, for bombing a Palestinian refugee camp this past week - leading to 100,000 refugees (now homeless) having to flee.

Guess those Palestinians don't count.

They're not Palestinian enough.

This goes to show the UN and all and its far fringe cheerleaders only use Palestinians as a weapon to beat Israel with.

[azurnoir]

13. ahem

U.N. condemns rights abuses in Iran, North Korea and Syria

The U.N. General Assembly condemned North Korea, Iran and Syria on Thursday for widespread human rights abuses and all three countries rejected the separate resolutions adopted by the 193-member world body, slamming them as politicized.

The resolution on Syria, which was co-sponsored by Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the United States, Britain, France and other Arab and Western states, received 135 votes in favor, 12 against and 36 abstentions.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/20/us-syria-iran-northkorea-un-idUSBRE8BJ16J20121220

U.N. announces $1.5 billion aid effort for Syrian refugees

he United Nations has launched humanitarian plans worth $1.5 billion to help ease the suffering of millions of Syrians both inside and outside the country.

More than 525,000 Syrians have already crossed into neighboring countries, the United Nations announced Wednesday, and it estimated that more than a million will flee in the next six months.

The body believes that a quarter of Syria's population needs food, shelter, medical attention, hygiene materials, clothes and other relief after enduring nearly two years of war.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/19/world/syria-civil-war/index.html

and the Palestinians you were so concerned about

Palestinian refugees can return to Damascus camp

An agreement between Palestinian factions in Damascus will allow residents of the Yarmouk refugee camp to return after fleeing violence, the Palestinian ambassador to Syria said Thursday.

Mahmud al-Khalidi said Syrian and Palestinian factions will not allow gunmen to enter the camp. In turn, troops loyal to Syrian President Bashar Assad will stay outside, he said.

"We are working to make the entrances of the camp safe for Palestinians," al-Khalidi told Ma'an.

The ambassador said he was in contact with the Syrian regime as well as leaders in the army and could confirm that they officially withdrew from the camp, allowing thousands of Palestinians to return.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=549748

it is a pity they do not have a state to go to though

[shira]

23. And still, no UN resolution vs. Syria for bombing a Palestinian refugee camp

Gee, I wonder...

If Israel did that, do you think there'd be a UN resolution condemning the action? Would you be defending the UN for their silence if it was Israel, not Syria, doing that?

[azurnoir]

49. If Israel was bombing a refugee camp in Syria your right the UN probably would say something

however Israel fairly regularly bombs and shells Khan Younis refugee camp in Gaza with barely a peep from the UN or anywhere else, unless there is a major campaign going on

[Scootaloo]

51. Your arguments in this thread bring an image to mind...

You: "The UN is ignoring Syria!"
Others: "Here's evidence to the contrary!"
You: "The UN isn't condemning Syrian violence!"
Others: "Here's evidence to the contrary"
You: "The UN isn't specifically condemning a particular instance of violence!"

[shira]

54. Excuse me? Where did the UN condemn the Syrian bombing of....

....a Palestinian refugee camp with a UNGA resolution?

[azurnoir]

55. that happened just a few days ago and the Palestinians themselves have negotiated

with the Syrian for the return of the refugees to Yarmouk

Palestinians begin returning to Yarmouk refugee camp in Syria (+video)

Refugees have started returning to the Yarmouk Palestinian refugee camp in Syria after fighting between rebels and government-allied forces sent them fleeing, but the status of the Palestinian refugees, along with hundreds of thousands of others displaced by the Syrian conflict, remains a top concern for observers outside the country.

The Associated Press reports that, according to the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, "hundreds of people have returned" to Yarmouk after fighting between rebels and forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad drove out as many as two-thirds of the camp's 150,000 residents by United Nations estimates.

The battle at Yarmouk, located in southern Damascus, began Dec. 14, as pro-Assad Palestinian fighters attacked anti-Assad Palestinian rebels based in the camp. Al Jazeera English reported yesterday that although Syrian troops did not participate in the fighting within the camp, they provided support to the pro-Assad fighters, cutting off the camp from the outside and launching air strikes into the camp, which reportedly killed at least eight people on Dec. 16.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/terrorism-security/2012/1220/Palestinians-begin-returning-to-Yarmouk-refugee-camp-in-Syria-video

[Scootaloo]

56. I didn't say they did

Just that you've been scooting your goalposts around.

[azurnoir]

57. sorry but I'll say something here

first I replied to shira by mistake sorry about that

second the OP published 12/18 is about the UNGA not condemning Syria bombing Yarmouk during a battle that took place there on Dec 14-16, specifically, which to date they have not albeit there is a good deal the UN is doing where Syria is concerned which was being pointed out to no avail

[shira]

58. What do you think about the OP? No matter how critical you may be....

...of Israel, what the UN is doing is simply indefensible.

Do you agree?

[Scootaloo]

60. I think there's hypocrisy to spare.

___________ faces attacks from a Palestinian encampment. In response, ____________ warplanes and ground forces engage in an assault on the encampment, killing 20 and driving thousands from their homes. Reports state that the counter-attack by __________ included a missile being fired into a mosque. The Palestinians remaining within the camp continue to be under siege by _________ forces.

If we fill in the blanks with "Syria" as is the case here, you are on the front lines demanding condemnation! Why won't the world take action for those poor unfortunate people?! How dare those bloodthirsty bastards target a civilian area populated with noncombatants! It's unconscionable, it's an outrage, it's utterly indefensible! The UN needs to speak up, immediately, and condemn this egregious assault on the human rights of these refugees!

But...

If we will in the blanks with "Israel" suddenly you're dancing in jubilation. Finally, those Terroristinian animals are getting what they deserve! How dare anyone condemn Israel for their purely-defensive action? The only reason that civilians were killed is because they were human shields, because Israelis use magical weapons that can only hit bad people, see?! It's an outrage, it's indefensible that anyone would ever criticize it! The UN is just a bunch of antisemites trying to destroy Israel, when it condemns this entirely warranted action against those infiltrators and terrorists!

How very strange, I think, how your perspective on human life takes such a radical change depending on whether that life is being ended by an Arab or by a Jew.

Anyway. Should the UN condemn this? Sure. Will they? Probably, eventually, at some point - bureaucracy's kind of a "thing" with the UN, you might be aware. Is "UN Watch" going to give us a full and clear picture of the goings-on? lolnope. Will a condemnation change anything? Nope. Will the UN take any action beyond a condemnation? Russia's permanent veto on the Security Council says no. So in all honesty, I don't give much thought at all about the OP.

[King_David]

2. What a joke ,

I thought the UN was meant to be impartial when it came to matters concerning The Jewish State.

What a bunch of fucking hypocrites...

[azurnoir]

4. Interesting that you call Israel the Jewish state because then almost any and all criticism

of Israel is by definition antisemitism, depending on the source?

[oberliner]

8. Resolution 181 (II). Future government of Palestine

http://unispal.un.org/unispal.nsf/0/7F0AF2BD897689B785256C330061D253

THE DECLARATION OF THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL
May 14, 1948

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Peace+Process/Guide+to+the+Peace+Process/Declaration+of+Establishment+of+State+of+Israel.htm

Have you read either of these documents?

[azurnoir]

11. sigh again the UN used the terms Jewish State and Arab State to differentiate between the 2 groups

that colonial Palestine was to be divided between nothing more nothing less

[oberliner]

12. How about the actual founding document of the State of Israel?

Did you read that one?

Specifically:

ACCORDINGLY WE, MEMBERS OF THE PEOPLE'S COUNCIL, REPRESENTATIVES OF THE JEWISH COMMUNITY OF ERETZ-ISRAEL AND OF THE ZIONIST MOVEMENT, ARE HERE ASSEMBLED ON THE DAY OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER ERETZ-ISRAEL AND, BY VIRTUE OF OUR NATURAL AND HISTORIC RIGHT AND ON THE STRENGTH OF THE RESOLUTION OF THE UNITED NATIONS GENERAL ASSEMBLY, HEREBY DECLARE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A JEWISH STATE IN ERETZ-ISRAEL, TO BE KNOWN AS THE STATE OF ISRAEL.

Jewish state to be known as the State of Israel.

What do you make of that?

[azurnoir]

14. I take the official name is Israel n/t

[King_David]

15. And what exactly do you think "Israel " means?

We the Jews are" Bnai Israel "

[azurnoir]

48. thanks for the translation of Bnai Israel

ibecause when I Google that I get a Reform Synagogue in Boca Raton along with several other Synagogues so thanks

[King_David]

52. LOL

Why were these shul's named such ?

[delrem]

18. Sounds like a scary racist statement, to me.

Thankfully, I'm not a non-Jew living in the undefined area "Eretz-Israel", so I can breathe easily. But I don't blame the non-Jews living in that undefined area for rejecting the declaration, esp. considering that the "historical documents" referenced cite God in justification for some extremely barbaric action.

This is the 21st century and references to texts written thousands of years ago, however "holy" some religious sect might think they are, quite simply DO NOT grant sect-specific rights that override hard won concepts of universal human rights.

[oberliner]

19. That was a scary racist time

Perhaps that response will help you gain some insights into what led to the need for such a state in the first place.

[delrem]

47. "racist" - I don't know, because I don't fear.

Perhaps because I don't know, because I don't fear, so I don't have anything of consequence to say to you.

I do know that in the current political environment Muslims, in North America, are having to negotiate an obstacle course that e.g. Mennonites don't have to, even tho' the Muslim and Mennonite populations are equally innocent. I do know that racism is 100% a matter of hype, coupled with weak will and, ultimately, the most cynical of intentions.

[King_David]

21. A lot of people are upset that there is a Jewish State

A lot of people in the multiple of official Muslim states surrounding Israel are upset.

You who's head of state is The Queen of Canada and Head of the CHURCH of England ... Seem upset too

13 million Jews in the World who have been persecuted for centuries and have made a lot of people upset in the world now... In the 21st Century... Are still making lots of people ( majority of the world ) upset because we have a Jewish State...

And that Jewish state is protecting us against 21st century persecution.

It's classic majority against minority

[delrem]

40. bullshit

"You who's head of state is The Queen of Canada and Head of the CHURCH of England ... Seem upset too"
Canada is multicultural and has no official religion. We have a constitution and charter of rights. The role of governor general (rep. of the monarch) is largely symbolical, tho' once in awhile the governor general does rule to declare a minority gov't valid.

You might look at Canada's ongoing difficulties re. the distinctive culture of Quebec. The Quebecois are now recognized as a distinct nation within Canada, and French is recognized as an official language - but in no way do the people of one sect have priority of rights over another. One Canadian person doesn't have greater rights than another based on birthright, and Canadians have equal rights w.r.t. immigration of extended family members.

The disregard that the European colonizers had for the humanity of the indigenous population was immoral. That immorality was what distinguished that colonization project for all time. The story of it is hardly told. The creation of the territory of Nunavut is a bright spot and, I think, shows hope for the future. But please, don't go there if you think reference to European colonization of NA somehow justifies anything similar other-where, because it most certainly doesn't.

A claim that Jews have been especially persecuted for centuries, as compared to other people, might appeal to your sympathy, but it doesn't stand up globally. My ancestors, on both sides, were driven from their homes - they came to Canada destitute, one a mail order bride. The history of the world is of horror piled on horror of unthinkable things done to the poor and weak by the rich and powerful, and no one sect has a monopoly on our pity. No one sect has a right to the argument "we were brutalized, so we have a right to over-ride others, we have a right to drive other peoples from the land, to erase other peoples from the pages of history." That's not how the concept of universal human rights works. The concept of universal human rights is all about different peoples of different cultures living together in mutual respect. It's a concept that MUST be both understood and respected if people are to live without war.

[King_David]

50. Quite the chip on shoulder display

Jews are always claiming to be persecuted the last 2000 yrs .... And this upsets you ?

Really the same persecution as every other group?

Bull fucking shit !!!

Get educated buddy

[King_David]

53. The Queen , not the Governor General

Is the head of state of Canada, and Queen of Canada and Head of The Church of England .

History and Current Affairs 101

[delrem]

59. Your argument is ridiculous,

and your incessant whining about being the world's designated victim is unbecoming.

[King_David]

61. My whining about Jews having been victims ?

A lot of people find it very irritating and deny that too..

( and I'm not talking about you here)




Carry on buddy , tell us more .

[delrem]

62. Let me guess,

From
"A lot of people ... deny that too.. "
A false claim that I belong to some group of "deniers", you're trying to imply some kind of association with "holocaust denial", aren't you? Not the Armenian holocaust, or the holocaust visited on the indiginous population of NA, etc., but the Shoah?

You're a professional at this, aren't you?

Now back from your deliberate red-herrings to the actual issue. I responded to Oberliner's post #12

"18. Sounds like a scary racist statement, to me.

Thankfully, I'm not a non-Jew living in the undefined area "Eretz-Israel", so I can breathe easily. But I don't blame the non-Jews living in that undefined area for rejecting the declaration, esp. considering that the "historical documents" referenced cite God in justification for some extremely barbaric action.

This is the 21st century and references to texts written thousands of years ago, however "holy" some religious sect might think they are, quite simply DO NOT grant sect-specific rights that override hard won concepts of universal human rights."

There's nothing in my statement that suggests I'm a holocaust denier, or a denier of anything except religious claims that holy writ trumps universal human rights. Oh, and I don't accept your continuous whining about your sect being the world's designated victim, in the past, as substitute for sound reasoning as to how I/P disputes can be addressed in terms of universal human rights (and that refusal doesn't make me a "holocaust denier&quot -- that is, concepts of human rights which address matters of empathy, sympathy, and the wants and needs of all parties to the dispute. The indigenous Palestinian population was not the author of the Shoah, and there's no justice in punishing them for it. There's no justice in driving them from their lands, and in refusing Palestinian refugees the right of return.

[King_David]

63. I never claimed any such thing about you .

And 'The Holocaust' is The Shoa.

[King_David]

16. So it wasn't "The Jewish state"

In that document because of your explanation above ?


LOL.

[shira]

22. Logic, facts, and reasoning need not apply when Israel is being bashed. n/t

[King_David]

17. Nope I call it the Jewish State

Along with every other media organization and almost every person in the Democratic Party and the rest if the universe ( except that freak nutjob Agnadenajet who calls it the Zionist Entity )

Because ( drum roll )... That's what Israel is called.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

10. Jewish obsession?

There may be an obsession, but I believe that you should look inward to solve that mystery.

As for me, I am a humanist. We all need to play fairly, and not just see one side.

[shira]

25. What else explains 22 resolutions vs. Israel to 4 against the rest of the world combined?

What else explains your defense of the UN?

I'm curious. Would you have a problem with the UN going against Syria with 22 resolutions vs. only 4 against the rest of the world?

[King_David]

31. "Seek help if you find it necessary."

So Shira is "mentally Ill because she disagrees with you ?
I guess she's an amateur too ?

Your very derogatory towards fellow DU members ...

Kind of devalues your "Aparyheid" slur toward the Jewish State..

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

35. Have a nice nite.

[King_David]

38. Chill bud,

It's only an Internet forum... Deep breaths .

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

41. Have a nice nite, bud.

[shira]

32. As a self-proclaimed humanist, how do you defend the UN....

....spending so much time (22 resolutions) against Israel vs. 4 resolutions WRT the rest of the world combined?

You really think what happens in Israel is more than 5 times worse than the rest of the world combined?

It appears that way - as you're making it seem the UN is justified in what it's doing.

Talk about unhinged. Doesn't get more unhinged than that...

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

36. The UN is much bigger than I am by an order of magnitude.

They are a collective body representing 192 member states. Perhaps they are also bigger than you and your capacity to understand their workings, reasoning and resolutions.

[shira]

37. LOL! Ok, thanks. n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

42. You're very welcome. I'm glad I can help you out.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

27. What else explains 22 resolutions vs. Israel to 4 against the rest of the world combined?

Why don't you tell me what you believe it means.

Perhaps Israel is in violation of UN resolutions for reasons other than your narrow philosophy will allow.

[shira]

29. Why can't you answer the question? n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

34. Why can't you?

[King_David]

28. Ha ha good post.

Funny post you really had me laughing there.



You should post the sarcasm tag for those who don't get it.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

33. Have a nice nite.

[King_David]

39. "Have a nice nite "

Thank you...That's better .. More friendly and collegial . Just like it used to be in IP a month ago.

You have a nice night too.

This is a good side of you..I am pleased to have had a role in your change of attitude.

Keep it up.. It makes things more pleasant here for all of us.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

45. More friendly and collegial . Just like it used to be in IP a month ago.

Oh, I'm sure that the I/P forum has always been a friendly and collegial group. There is a warmth of spirit and honesty of character here...to the point of transparency that transcends politics or religion, and I am happy to be a contributing member now and into the future.