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Related: About this forumThis Saints scandal is a pretty big deal....
A far bigger scandal than anything I've seen in the NFL.
A bounty to hurt someone--- a fellow NFL player-- that's fucked up.
Plus--- Money on the side for interceptions, sacks, etc--- that's a violation of the league's salary cap.
The whole football team and coaching staff were certainly in on it---Bree's, Payton, etc....
I will be very surprised if Payton and GM Mickey Loomis survive this.... and multiple suspensions of players.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Last edited Sat Mar 3, 2012, 12:26 PM - Edit history (1)
explained, gave me the points. seems he is on the right track
madinmaryland
(64,934 posts)Payton, Loomis, and Williams at a minimum should be facing suspensions measured in years not in games.
Fuck them.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)In a nutshell, what is the problem?
madinmaryland
(64,934 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)n2doc
(47,953 posts)Especially since they were warned not to do it and they did it anyway, and everyone has acknowledged knowing about it for years. IMO, huge fines, loss of future 1st round draft picks, and a ban of Gregg Williams for at least a year from the NFL would be in order. Will be interesting to see what the Commish does.
madinmaryland
(64,934 posts)and not games. All of them. Suspended without pay.
This to me is far worse than Pete Rose's gambling. The only person that Rose hurt was Ray Fosse and that had nothing to do with gambling. Rose never hurt anyone other than himself with his gambling.
El Supremo
(20,365 posts)And don't tell me cigarettes killed him. I'll never forgive Rose for all the stress he caused Bart.
madinmaryland
(64,934 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)The Pats don't get a pass over some imagined "scale of what's worse". They're both cheating scumbag teams.
Sorry, I just chose your post to vomit out my ire over this situation.
Auggie
(31,230 posts)The Raiders' new head coach, Dennis Allen, was the Saints' secondary coach in 2009. The Raiders had no comment.
Link @ The San Francisco Chronicle, 3-2-12: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/03/03/SPKE1NFG1Q.DTL
charlie and algernon
(13,447 posts)If the Saints win the division, the second place team goes instead.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)what would he have had to do with it?
trumad
(41,692 posts)You don't think the entire team new about this?
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)trumad
(41,692 posts)Short cuts in writing--- LOL
bluedigger
(17,090 posts)The NFL found no evidence of other bounty programs, but several Redskins told the Washington Post that Williams had a similar system as defensive coordinator for the team.
Former defensive end Philip Daniels, now Washingtons director of player development, said he believed Williams paid off big hits with fines collected from players for being late to meetings or practices.
Rather than pocket that money or whatever, he would redistribute it to players who had good games or good practices, said Daniels, who added the most he received was $1,500 for a four-sack game in 2005.
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/articles/2012/03/03/nfl_saints_violated_bounty_rule/
I think Williams is banned, Payton and Loomis fined, and the Saints lose a #1 pick. At a minimum.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)What's shocking to me is that people are shocked. It's an open secret. I don't see what the big deal is.
Hockey does bounties too.
madinmaryland
(64,934 posts)nuff said.
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)I assure you it is not.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)I know they've been around before they receive the rules so when they don't follow, they have no excuse. I see two problems, it doesn't count against the salary cap and encourages players to go for injuries. Not surprised but that is my deal.
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)They're personal incentives. An extra G whiz here and there is of no concern. Everyone is acting like this is tiddlywinks. Football is a brutal and barbaric game. Do you think Ray Lewis goes out there to tackle guys? He goes out there to kill people. The bigger the hit the better. What difference does it make if he gets an extra 500 bucks for it or not?
This shock and outrage is ludicrous.
Salary caps are huge sticking points in contract negotiations, lockouts happen when either side doesn't agree with the limit. If some team is paying players under the table that isn't reported, other teams have a right to be upset about that. I think these kind of payments changes the way players take someone out, Ray Lewis in those cases, is probably trying to force a fumble or a drop, if given an extra incentive to injure someone, probably going to hit an areas likely to cause injury.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)and challenging a guy to cause willful and meaningful damage to another player. No...I will not buy that this has been "going on forever" at this level in football.
What's shocking to me is, that if everyone knew about the willful paying for maiming, someone didn't blow a whistle a long time ago. Oh wait, they did. During the cheating, uninspiring Saints' 2009 season.
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)Every time a player goes over the middle the defense is trying to kill him. Not to wrap him up but to light him up. It's always been this way whether you like it or not. And bounties have always been a part of it. This revelation will change nothing.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)And it is not a sport played with bad intentions...or else Suh's gonna have a helluva fit. And rightfully so then.
Kingofalldems
(38,508 posts)El Supremo
(20,365 posts)Lucky they have so much money to waste.
Auggie
(31,230 posts)and other infractions.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)I'm aware of that for when Williams was with the Redskins but haven't seen that was the case for the Saints, where players themselves offered to pay for them, like Vilma offering $10,000 in one case.
bluedigger
(17,090 posts)The Redskins defensive coordinator at the time? Who else? Gregg Williams. This means we now know that three of the NFL's greatest quarterbacks may have had their lives changed by the Bounty Baron, and surely we'll soon learn about more.
You will hear huge sighs this week from former players who claim this sort of thing happens all the time. Listen only a little bit. Certainly, dating back far beyond even the infamous Bounty Bowl in 1989 between the Dallas Cowboys and Philadelphia Eagles, players long have been quietly paid for big thumps. Various forms of bounties, particularly for lower-paid special-teams players, have existed forever.
But this is the first time this compensated, potentially criminal behavior has been traced to the offices of a team's coach and general manager, operating in a system that even a warning from ownership couldn't shut down, mayhem so organized that money was even distributed on the basis of what sort of vehicle was used to transport the fallen player from the field.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-0304-plaschke-20120304,0,5070173.column
Renew Deal
(81,897 posts)I'm not sure that Peyton is at risk, but who knows?
madinmaryland
(64,934 posts)should all expect that from the team that actually cheers at opponents getting injured. Hell they would have cheered when Joe Theismann got his leg snapped by LT.
Don't see anyone else supporting headhunting, like the douchebags in the NHL.
trumad
(41,692 posts)and is acting all expert and everything--- oh---football is brutal---oh--there's always been bounties...
I've been a football fan for 40 years and I've never seen shit like this on a scale like this.
ProfessorGAC
(65,381 posts). . .for putting bullets on the locker shelf of guys who did something particularly good.
That may have been foolish, but it was NOTHING compared to this.
GAC