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This term has been used in this group and a complaint about it's use made in another group.
I became curious as what it might mean and how it might have originated.
Since I can find little that actually defines it on the internet, I thought it might be interesting to have a discussion about the term and possibly even come to some consensus about what it means and whether it should be used here.
The first use I can find here occurred in February, 2012. It's use was clearly derogatory. It was, with only one exception, used by a single member until May, 2013. At that time, it was used in five posts in a single thread by a well known troll. This troll has been banned from this site repeatedly. He presents as a highly antagonistic anti-theist, but I (and others) have often thought him to be carrying a false flag.
That troll was banned once again the same day he used it.
Since then, it has been used with what appears to be increasing frequency.
Despite objections from those it has been aimed at and others, the term has continued to be used.
So, what does it mean?
Religionista is not an accepted english word. It is not found in the urban dictionary.
It is a Spanish word meaning "Religionist; sectary: Protestant", which doesn't appear to be derogatory at all.
There is one place I find a very informal definition: "someone who wears their religious affiliation with too much pride." Not a compliment, but again, not very derogatory.
Religionista.com is a blog site by a christian who considered herself an agnostic in the past. It's kind of an interesting site, actually, and she has adopted the term in a positive way.
The suffix -ista is also not consistently defined. Here is an interesting take on it's common usage from an article entitled "Five Suffixes Thatll Make you Look Like a Moron"
From: The Italian suffix denoting fascist
Common Uses: Fashionista, Twittista
Darling, what sort of pillockista appends -ista to perfectly good words? Unless youre a scriptwriter for Absolutely Fabulous (youre not), then you should leave this one well alone. Not least because its going to make you sound like the sort of person who spent all of the 1990s hunched over a toilet cistern with a rolled-up note.
Other dictionaries say "one who follows a principle".
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the way it is being used here false under the "fascist" definition and not the "principle" definition.
If that is the case, then it's use is basically calling other members fascists, something I think we can probably all agree would not constitute civil behavior.
On the other hand, if we can agree that it means a person of religion who follows principal, then we might agree that it is in fact, a compliment and those who it is aimed at could graciously accept it as such.
Does anyone else have any other information of this word or thoughts about it's use?
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)appending "ista" onto everyone you disagree with. The people using it over South American politics are kind of hilarious, given the real meaning, since it's largely being used by people that are backing right wing coups against socialist leaders.
If they're using it to mean "People that support absolute religious control of government" we've already got names for that, both generic and for specific sects, so it's not only meaningless, it's unnecessary.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)So, in your definition it's pejorative and used against people one disagrees with.
LostOne4Ever
(9,296 posts)I think the suffix is refering to the trend to use the spanish verision of -ist to english words such as when someone say fashionista.
http://blog.dictionary.com/ista/
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/-ista
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/british/ista
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/-ista
In wich case no real insult is intended, and it means someone supportive of religion. As I said in the interfaith forum, I believe in the principle of reciprocity. If you don't want me to use the term when referring to you, then tell me and I will honor that request.
Though, as far as I can remember, I have never personally used the term.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)believe that you would stop if told it was offensive.
LostOne4Ever
(9,296 posts)But I really think they are using it in place of supporter.
The reason I think this is because there are people much like yourself who profess to not being theists but are very supportive of religion and believers.
My experiences on the interwebz tend to show that deragatory terms toward believers by non-believers tend to take the form of pyschological terms or references to being closed minded.
It is also possible that those using it are using it as a reaction to many of us being called militant atheists. Seems to me that in South American politics they will often refer to militants down there by referring to the name of the person they are supporting + ista. So it could be that they are saying not only that many of you are supporters of religion but militant supporters of religion.
Or it could be that depending on the poster that it simply various. Maybe poster 1 means it as you suspect, as a way of saying religion facist, while another simply is trying to describe all supporters of religion, and poster 3 means it as a way of saying militant religion supporters.
Either way, as I told rug it sounds pretty hipster to me, but then again:
cbayer
(146,218 posts)I sometimes say I am a religionist in the same way a man can be a feminist and don't really mind being called a religionist.
The term militant atheist is similar and I stopped using it long ago. I think the intent is often to belittle someone who is supporting a specific cause.
I don't see it being used here in the variety of ways you outline, though.
Would the term atheista be considered offensive?
LostOne4Ever
(9,296 posts)It sounds like someone trying to say the word atheist in spanish while not really knowing spanish themselves and basing the pronunciation on a stereotype of the language.
I think i would be more offended if I was hispanic >.>
Edit: It might sound worse if the word atheist didn't have a derogatory connotation in and of itself.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)While there is no doubt prejudice, I don't think it's used in a derogatory fashion. Certainly not here.
As for the hispanic reaction, I think they would find it funny that it was being used in a pejorative fashion and that they would just snicker at you.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Which is why some atheists (people who don't believe in gods) refuse to use the term to describe themselves.
LostOne4Ever
(9,296 posts)In addition to that, I was thinking of how politicians can call people atheists as an insult and face absolutely zero political consequences.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)Its only intent is to antagonize.
LostOne4Ever
(9,296 posts)Honestly the whole adding an a at the end feels too hipster for my tastes.
But then again:
rug
(82,333 posts)I've never been a hipster but I have been mistaken for a homeless man.
LostOne4Ever
(9,296 posts)rrneck
(17,671 posts)Affectation annoys the shit out of me.
rug
(82,333 posts)I was in DC a couple of years ago for a weekend vacation with the family. I went outside the hotel for a smoke and was just pacing around on the sidewalk in my usual self and this guy came up and bummed a cigarette. While I was lighting it for him he looked me up and down and exhaled. He said thanks and then told me he was on his way to Ave K where some group was giving out clothes. He said if I wanted some I should get up there before the hour or all the good stuff was gone. I said thanks for the tip and he headed off to Ave K.
It might be different if they could actually pull it off. I may be full of hooie, but I fancy I can spot "studied nonchalance" a mile away.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)In my experience the term Clintonista has been used on DU only to denigrate a Clinton supporter.
struggle4progress
(118,379 posts)ista long way to go
Jim__
(14,095 posts)From wiktionary:
Words formed using this suffix usually have more of a pejorative connotation than related words formed using -ist.
Heddi
(18,312 posts)Definition of RELIGIONIST
: a person adhering to a religion; especially : a religious zealot
Examples of RELIGIONIST
<makes the case that one need not be a religionist to have basic moral values>
First Known Use of RELIGIONIST
1653
Related to RELIGIONIST
Synonyms
believer
Related Words
fundamentalist; cultist, pietist, zealot; deist, monotheist, polytheist, theist; churchgoer, communicant, congregant
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Religionist
religionist - a person addicted to religion or a religious zealot
religious person - a person who manifests devotion to a deity
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/religionist#English
Etymology[edit]
religion + -ist
Noun[edit]
religionist (plural religionists)
A religious zealot.
An adherent of a religion.
Antonyms[edit]
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I think that's a perfectly acceptable term to use to describe many people of religious faith, especially some who happen to post in this and other forums on this and other websites
John1956PA
(2,674 posts)I do not think that either word - "Religionist" or "Christist" - is a put-down.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)We all know what that means, and how it's used by your religionist cronies here. Then you might earn the right to be taken seriously, instead of as fundamentally hypocritical.
And the next time you use an OP to call someone out, don't do it in stealth mode. Summon the courage to do it openly and directly.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)big·ot noun \ˈbi-gət\
:a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)
Here's some synonyms:
Synonyms
dogmatist, dogmatizer, partisan (also partizan), sectarian
doctrinaire, fanatic, purist; jingoist, nationalist; racialist, racist, supremacist; chauvinist, sexist
And here are the antonyms:
freethinker, latitudinarian, liberal
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot
Which are you? Pick the shoe that fits and wear it.
rrneck
(17,671 posts)I'm not big on parsing semantics. I seem to be able to annoy the shit out of pretty much anyone with fairly straightforward language. It's a gift.
That being said it has always been my understanding that atheists pretty much owned the Religion group and believers were usually on the defensive. Although there seems to be more parity now.
If you worry about "religionista" and successfully get it banned another word will spring up in its place.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)War of the Roses.
I'm generally not big on parsing semantics either, but I have this basic philosophy.
If someone is using a word to attack or demean others, is informed that the word is offensive, is asked to stop using it and continues to do so anyway, that says an awful lot about their intent.
I used to casually use the word "gyp". I was educated by another member on DU as to the roots of that word and why it was offensive. Simple - I stopped using it.
Not asking for a word to be banned at all, only some clarity on what it means when it is used. However, I think we have seen the reduction and even elimination of terms that are highly offensive to people of color or GLBT people in this country, so I don't agree that another one always pops up.
rrneck
(17,671 posts)I generally don't care what people say. I'm more interested in what they mean and why they mean it.
If someone uses an unfortunate word here they know the worst that could possibly happen is that they will get banned. If they did the same in real life they would be risking real life consequences. The only reason we have rules about name calling here is to keep the invective from becoming unimaginative. As long as people don't get bored they stick around and invest in something that doesn't even require them to reveal who they are.
In real life certain words are not uttered not because somebody asked that they not be used. It's because they asked that they not be used and made it clear that there would be real life consequences if they were used. The phrase "fighting words" refers real life consequences, something that gets forgotten in places like this.
DU is an abstraction, and I tend to treat it as such. If I see a painting of flaming genitalia riding a unicorn attacking a gigantic twinkie covered in chicken shit my first thought will be, "Um, okay. I think I see where you're going with this so lets explore what it means."
Of course there is a measure of Scots Irish "don't start nutn' won't be nutn'" as well.
rug
(82,333 posts)"painting of flaming genitalia riding a unicorn attacking a gigantic twinkie covered in chicken shit"
This came up.
rrneck
(17,671 posts)Now and then in conversation people will try to come up with a totally new and outrageous idea for an artwork and my answer is always, "already been done" followed by something like "Vito Acconci 1968".
So now I try and come up with something outrageous and damned if you didn't reach out and find it. Well played sir, well played indeed.
Warpy
(111,456 posts)Word jumpers and pejorative complainers would seemingly wish to turn our language into a pallid imitation of itself, the only pejoratives allowed would be the ones they prefer to use, themselves.
I'd rather wince at an occasional pejorative than go through life with bland, non descriptive language to avoid offending the easily offended.
Remember, there is no constitutional amendment giving people the right to go through life unoffended by their fellow humans.
TM99
(8,352 posts)However, the word religionista as used by certain posters and within the contexts of their posts definitely shows us that the term is not used as a simple descriptor nor as compliment. It is used only as a slight and an insult designed to provoke a response from believers.
To see it any other way is in my estimation a gross denial of the reality of its usage.
I rarely suggest the banning of any words even those that are experienced as the most heinous and offensive. In this case, I feel and think no differently.
I do recognize that if any poster uses such a word or other similar ones, that they have lost all arguments for a civil or rational discussion. They have abdicated any chance of being the 'victim' if others stand up to such a venomous and obvious insult with equal if not measured responses and retorts.
We can decide as a group to paint lipstick on a pig, yet it does not change the fact that sadly, it is still just a pig.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)who enthusiastically uses all manner of invective and insults in his posts as a substitute for fact-based discussion and the answering of direct questions, that's rich. And ironic. And more than a little sad.
The hypocrisy among the religionists here is quite breathtaking.
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)Those you are responding to do not appear to hold religious beliefs. Is it their tolerance you find hypocritical? Is that why you call them "religionistas"? Just because they are not anti-theists? Does their anger not meet your standards?
We are all hypocrites, as we are all bigots to one degree or another. We are all human. I think the most important thing is to regularly confront one's own hypocrisy and bigotry, rather than denying it, nurturing it and broadcasting it. And accusing others of hypocrisy is the height of hypocrisy.
Like all of us, even you could learn a lot from those you regularly attack.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)I would want some clarity on the definition so that when it is used, there is little doubt as to what it means.
TM99
(8,352 posts)that you will not get a direct reply from those who use that word.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)It seems to me to be used in a negative way, but the impact behind the word seems to come only from the specific context it is used in. Slurs usually have a historical context which makes them meaningful in our minds, but "religionista" has no historical context as a slur, if it is indeed meant as a slur.
I don't really know. I'm just throwing out my take on the word.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Do we give it power by reacting to it? In a case like this is it best to make it impotent by just presuming that it really means nothing?
TM99
(8,352 posts)But which historical context are we to look?
Are we talking about the wider cultural context out there?
Or are we talking about the history of its use on these forms within the context of posts by specific posters?
If it is the former, I maintain we are denying its reality here as actually being the later.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)a real historical context, as it is being used on DU. It just seems to be floating around. The only real context is the very short history of religious debate here on DU.
TM99
(8,352 posts)It is used by particular anti-theists as an insulting term for religious believers and their 'apologists'.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)is it 'provable' because the posters in question will not directly admit it.
Post #53 is the closest admission of use and continued misuse that I suspect we will honestly see from the worst offenders.
Dorian Gray
(13,535 posts)it's primarily meant as an insult, but I don't particularly care.
Feral Child
(2,086 posts)(and I can't say I've seen it any posts) is derogatory. It's not a term I would use, if for no other reason, I find it trite and non-creative.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)They are clearly thrown around to insult and marginalize. But I've never seen you care one bit about that, oddly.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)and I care about the sins committed by your tribe. I've never noticed you to care about how nasty some of your fellow atheists can be either.
Bryant
trotsky
(49,533 posts)That's what I'm asking. Compare/contrast the use of "religionista" with "militant atheist" or any of the other invective the atheists get thrown at them.
Oh and I send PMs to my fellow atheists about their "nasty" comments all the time. You'll have to trust me on that, I guess. I only call out people in the group who slam me directly. That, after all, is an acceptable standard set by a current (perhaps soon-to-be-former) host of this group.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I used the term he once and you asked me not to and I don't use it anymore.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)And it's hard to break out of that kind of cycle.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)playing the victim and manufactured offense in here, in an attempt to control what others post. And I doubt that cbayer has any interest in a serious discussion on this issue in the first place, since she's put her fingers in her ears to any viewpoints that don't support her agenda. The OP is hypocritical and disingenuous.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Have you ever considered not using it?
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Tell you what..start a thread proposing that people stop using that word here, if you're really making this request from principle and not just because your feathers are ruffled in some vague way you can't define. Address yourself specifically to the people that you know use it all the time as a substitute for an argument.
Then we'll talk. If this is just hypocrisy on your part, and trying to shut people up, don't expect much.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Ok got it.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)And here you see again what I don't like about you. You refuse to address what I raised directly. Endless dodging and deflection. If you claim to want to encourage more civility here, put your money where your mouth is. Don't just prove my point.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I never called you a bigot.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Why are you trying to hide behind such a silly diversion? How is that remotely relevant to the point I raised?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Stop using the word.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Nor do I have any desire to play whack-a-mole with you all day. But I will continue to post as I see fit. You're free to alert or put me on ignore.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)Would you say that advice applies to TM99, or just scott?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)Reply to TM99. Assuming rug and Starboard Tack are up to their usual nastiness, please offer them the advice too. And perhaps it should be given to struggle4progress, since comparisons to Nazis and accusations of anti-Semitism don't help improve the tone either.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I really do. I just had to admit to myself that I couldn't do the job anymore.
Believe me I am just as happy to give up the job. I was not suited for it.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)his fellow religionistas.
The hypocrisy is strong in this one. And I can see who he's been learning the art of the passive-aggressive one-liner from.
rug
(82,333 posts)Let me guess.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)If you think I am posting "nastiness", have the integrity to confront it. Since you haven't . . . .
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)have complaints about you. I mean there was a whole op about ignoring you.
rug
(82,333 posts)He can then boast about he's ignoring someone because of . . . whatever . . . until the next time he talks trash about the same poster.
Reminds me of this guy.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)Not that the term itself is bad; technically it means someone opposed to theism.
But the way most use it, it is intended to be someone militantly opposed to theists.
Not the same thing. But people continue to use that term like a club.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Seems like the best way to derail its use as an insult. Yup, I view organized religion as on balance an immoral agent. Anti-theist? You bet.
Leontius
(2,270 posts)dislike and attack religion.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Which is false.
Leontius
(2,270 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)The label anti-theist does not distinguish one type of atheist from another.
Leontius
(2,270 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 12, 2014, 06:44 AM - Edit history (1)
It's a stand against something wrong. And one need not be against every jot and tittle of every religion in the world be be an anti-theist. The irony is that some here try to use it as an insult without realizing that they qualify as anti-theist too.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Hadn't thought about that angle.
rug
(82,333 posts)And it was a rather direct question.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)Less chance for worry about insults, perceived or real.
I use theist, desist, atheist, non-theist (The last one less often).
Believer and non-believer. I often choose the latter instead of atheist, since some do not like the word.
I used to use other terms, even in this group. But these days I would prefer to engage in conversation than be overtly insulting, especially over rhetoric.
My thinking is that if a group finds a term insulting, it isn't up to me to decide it isn't.
Gay was once an epithet. But LBGT folks adopted it. So now it's accepted.
Likewise, and interestingly, Obamacare seemingly now embraced by the Democratic Party. Good for them, BTW.
But one should be sensitive to others feelings.
On the other hand, I have no problem flinging epithets at the religious kooks in the GOP. I know that might not endear me to some believers here, but they're going to have to accept that. I will explain my reasons to them if they object. IMHO, some people have not earned such respect. Certainly, those in the GOP have not and deserve the derision.
Interesting post.
Hope you're having fun in sunny Mex!
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)as saying that as long as you personally believe that someone deserves to be insulted that it's OK to insult or disparage them in any way you see fit, with no regard for their feelings. And that respect has to be earned, and isn't just deserved or given automatically.
longship
(40,416 posts)I am saying the exact opposite.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)We (both on DU and elsewhere) often seem to go round and round with the same debates about the meaning of particular words.
I would particularly like to see new words to describe the growing group of people who do not identity as either a believer/nonbeliever or atheist/theist. There is so much variety, which I think we should embrace, at least within the democratic party.
I go by the basic principle that if someone experiences a word in an insulting way, I will defer to them and stop using it. Others, of course, feel entirely differently. And, as you say, sometimes "owning" the word defangs it completely (as in the "gay" example).
Big day on the road today and we should go through some beautiful country.
Hope you have a great weekend.
intaglio
(8,170 posts)You have searched for some way to tern an innocuous term into an accusation that you are a fascist.
Fine, you want to feel persecuted - and that's all.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)The term isn't used to attack me, so you are completely off base.
I have made several suggestions about the term from it being completely innocuous to suggesting that someone is a fascist. I'd love to see it treated as completely and utterly innocuous and hope that's where the members of this group land.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,412 posts)a term used by both supporters and opponents: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandinista_National_Liberation_Front
This may indicate my age - I was at university in the 80s, and your line on the Sandinistas indicated how 'ideologically sound' you were. I'd take it as meaning over-enthusiastic support of a faction (like someone who would only buy Nicaraguan coffee, as a gesture of solidarity). A bit of a dig, but "someone who wears their religious affiliation with too much pride" is pretty much it.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)right this moment.
They also have a rather complex, but fascinating history. They are alive and well and we plan to spend a few hours in one of their local hangouts tomorrow trying to some sense of who they are.
In this area they are not considered over-enthusiastic or too proud, but more ideologically driven and holding consistent principles.
eomer
(3,845 posts)That article you quoted was clumsily worded but didn't mean that every time you add "ista" to a word the result means fascist. If that were the case then "fashionista" would mean fascist, "Twittista" would mean fascist, and "religionista" would mean fascist.
But of course "fashionista" means a devotee of fashion, "Twittista" means a devotee of Twitter, and "religionista" means a devotee of religion. Or something like that. The only time that adding "ista" to a word results in meaning anything about fascism is in the Italian "fascista".
okasha
(11,573 posts)signifies "fascist." That's not the problem.
Look at the two English examples you gave, "fashioista" and "Twitterista." Both imply triviality. Neither fashion nor Twittering is a serious interest for most people, with the obvious exceptions of those who make their living in the field.
Religion, for most people who actively practice it, is not a trivial pursuit. The term "religionista" trivializes both the belief and the believer. A whanging big hint that it's offensive is the fact that you don't see religious people using it. It's not up to non-believers to decide what's offensive to believers, any more than it's a believer's prerogative to decide what an atheist should find offensive.
I seriously doubt that you would tell me that "redskin" or "prairie n****r" is acceptable or benign usage. Or that anyone here would argue that NAs should "reclaim" the terms. The same principle applies to "religionista." If you use or defend it, expect to be challenged for an obvious display of prejudice.
eomer
(3,845 posts)That all sounds right to me.
The only point I made was that "religionista" didn't mean or imply anything to do with fascism.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)when you add -ista you mean fascist.
I don't think it really ends up meaning anything at all, except possible a lame attempt to insult people.
eomer
(3,845 posts)You said:
Thanks for clarifying and I agree it is probably meant as an insult.
LeftishBrit
(41,219 posts)Rather, I have always understood that it originates from a quite other part of the political spectrum: from the revolutionary Latin American movements of the 1980s, especially 'Sandinistas'. It came thereby to imply 'strong, principled supporter' and by extension, more satirically, 'obsessive devotee'. 'Fashionista' is probably the commonest use in the latter sense; and probably 'religionista' has similar implications.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)all over the place and not consistent at all.
That's what makes it a fun word! You can use it to mean whatever you want, like:
I have met people from England who are Britainistas!
What would you think I meant? Could you be wrong?
LeftishBrit
(41,219 posts)and/or excessively devoted to British sportspeople or teams in international sporting events. I certainly wouldn't think that fascism was being implied!
While I can't guarantee that no one has ever used the 'ista' suffix to imply parallels with fascism, I think it is at least very unusual. For one thing, although in Italian 'fascista' means 'fascist', I have NEVER, in a longish life, come across English-speaking people calling anyone 'fascista'. If they want to call people fascists, they say 'fascists' with the English construction!
Since my earlier post, I have seen Muriel_Volestrangler's post, giving the same explanation as mine. It may of course be relevant that both Muriel and I are Brits of a similar age. But I do think that if 'religionista' is indeed intended by anyone to imply fascism, it is such an obscure reference as to be almost useless for anyone who does wish to imply it. People who want to imply that some or all religious people are fascists are far more likely to use such obvious terms as 'Christofascists' and 'Islamofascists',
cbayer
(146,218 posts)FWIW, when it is used to describe a religious person, I don't think that is what the person using it means. I didn't make the connection, merely found an article that did.
Overly proud seems to be a relatively benign interpretation and if that is what is intended, I don't see much need for offense.