2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDukakis Not Feeling The Bern
Gabriel Debenedetti @gdebenedettiDukakis on Bernie in Massachusetts: "If the New Englander cant win in New England, he cant win the race." http://politi.co/1VQIw4q
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)(Besides the Clinton Tank)
SylviaD
(721 posts)riversedge
(70,417 posts)Isn't Hillary ahead in the recent polls??
.....While Sanders wont exclusively camp out there for the next week, Michigan which votes on March 8 has long been the crown jewel in his calendar for this month. A delegate-rich and racially diverse target thats hosting a Democratic debate on Sunday, the organized labor-heavy state provides Sanders with a chance to chip at Clintons establishment support even though the RealClearPolitics polling average has her up by 20 points there.
Michigan is such an important state because it offers such a sharp contrast between the two candidates on such an important issue about whether you stood with working families or whether you chose to side with corporate interests who are shipping jobs overseas, Weaver explained, adding that Sanders economic message could appeal to black voters living in cities like Detroit and Flint. The African-American middle class in Michigan has been destroyed by the job-crushing trade deals that Secretary Clinton has consistently supported over the years. And if you look at whats going on with the schools, the dilapidated schools of Detroit, and funding problems in places like Flint, Michigan, that is all directly tied to her economic policies. So shes going to have to bear her responsibility for her role over the last 20 years in decimating the economy in Michigan, including the African-American middle class, which was once the pride of this country."
And once Michigan votes, that message will spread, Weaver projected, outlining what some Sanders operatives describe as the best-case scenario: wins in the heavily-white caucus states of Nebraska, Kansas, and Maine in the coming days, followed by a strong performance in Michigan and other big industrial states.
Were going to do very well in Pennsylvania, a place where his message on trade is going to do extremely well. Western Pennsylvania is a place where, again, another place thats been decimated by Hillary Clintons failed economic policies, said Weaver. The auto industry in Ohio? Decimated by Hillary Clintons economic policies. Michigan? Auto industry and the rest of the industrial capacity in Michigan, destroyed by Hillary Clintons economic policies. Illinois has lost tens of thousands of jobs due to Hillary Clintons economic policies. So I think shes going to have to answer, as we go into the industrial Midwest, why she has not stood with working families and middle class people. Why she has instead stood with corporate interests who have shipped our jobs overseas and are now funding our campaign."....................
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/bernie-sanders-super-tuesday-response-220127#ixzz41qIZxcnU
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/bernie-sanders-super-tuesday-response-220127#ixzz41qID9hj0
riversedge
(70,417 posts)yes, Hillary is ahead in the polls in Michigan.
Michigan Democratic Primary: Clinton 61% - Sanders 33% + 28 Clinton
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/Mitchell-FOX_2_Detroit_MI_Poll_DEM_3-2-16.pdf
bigtree
(86,015 posts)...those Hillary in trouble articles sure dried up fast.
riversedge
(70,417 posts)over here to DU. sickening.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)This statement from the article is a perfect example of the obscurantism displayed by our opponents:
-Jeff Weaver
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary
Sir, you are not even in national polling...
bigtree
(86,015 posts)BURLINGTON, VT "There was a great diversity in the states we won last night," says @BernieSanders manager Weaver.
riversedge
(70,417 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)Also, his suggestion that the map gets better for them is a chimera, it doesn't.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)down nationally, but big losses in the south absolutely has to mean they are up everywhere else
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Dukakis lost the popular vote by almost 8% and only carried 10 States.
I have an odd habit, I take election advice from those who win elections, not those who lose. Same in other areas, I take the advice of those who thrive.
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)He's a good man, but he has absolutely zero relevance in 2016. Zero.
bigtree
(86,015 posts)...seems reasonable to me.
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)I'm saying not one single person in America was waiting to hear from Michael Dukakis.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Which by the way was a terrific speech
Most the nation didn't hear it because Bill Clinton spoke twice as long as he was supposed to right before Dukakis was to speak and that caused the TV coverage to go pass the late night news hour.
Eventually, the broadcast networks began cutting away from his speech, with commentators noting the crowds complete lack of interest. The lowlight came when Clinton uttered the words In closing, prompting a spontaneous round of sarcastic cheers from the audience.
http://www.salon.com/2012/07/30/when_bill_clinton_died_on_stage/
Well Bill was the best bud with George Bush Sr. ....... who was running against Dukakis
bigtree
(86,015 posts)...not even Dukakis cares, so why should anyone else?
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Oh yeah, nothing.