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Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:16 PM Mar 2016

Is Hillary letting Bernie win a few states just so it won't seem like a coronation?

It doesn't seem like she is really trying too hard in some of the states.

If her campaign is sure they are on a path to win the nomination, it would be better for her to lose a few so it seems like there is an actual democracy with a real contest.

If Bernie were to get too badly beaten or if he were to drop out, his supporters might feel like the system was rigged or the election is fake nonsense.

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Is Hillary letting Bernie win a few states just so it won't seem like a coronation? (Original Post) Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 OP
No, a lot of Democratic voters just don't like her morningfog Mar 2016 #1
so Goblor Mar 2016 #30
Yes'm madokie Mar 2016 #39
Yeah...right SHRED Mar 2016 #2
She gets blamed for all kinds of BS. Why not that too? Hoyt Mar 2016 #3
Not really her personally. More like They. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #7
there is much more to it than just that Baobab Mar 2016 #11
actually she's just losing outside the south roguevalley Mar 2016 #14
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #4
So, it wasn't good people voting in the majority of states so far? bettyellen Mar 2016 #24
"letting Bernie" bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #5
LOL ok Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #8
You want CT? dchill Mar 2016 #18
She didn't try hard in WA scscholar Mar 2016 #6
I am choosing to ignore you Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #9
LOL Takket Mar 2016 #10
Let me think about that for a sec... TDale313 Mar 2016 #12
it's something in between. JI7 Mar 2016 #13
Um, no. Punkingal Mar 2016 #15
I am concerned yourpaljoey Mar 2016 #16
Shhh. JohnnyLib2 Mar 2016 #17
RESOURCE ALLOCATION nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #19
That's genuinely dumb. SheilaT Mar 2016 #20
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #21
Florida In Reverse corbettkroehler Mar 2016 #22
Or, as they said about Bernie, is she throwing those states under the bus? pdsimdars Mar 2016 #23
She's not wasting her money in states with small delegate proportions. Starry Messenger Mar 2016 #25
Very confusing logic... 4nic8em Mar 2016 #26
Her margins are such that spending millions to get Starry Messenger Mar 2016 #37
You're right, but it's a gamble Politicalboi Mar 2016 #53
Yes absolutely anothergreenbus Mar 2016 #27
yeah, they're really not that bright when it comes down to it MisterP Mar 2016 #46
That graph says it all. anothergreenbus Mar 2016 #52
and your graphic too! neoliberalism's just Pinonomics--sell off the country to investors MisterP Mar 2016 #54
lol no. As an Alaskan of 32+ years d_b Mar 2016 #28
And even with the worst that Republicans can throw at us, Blue_In_AK Mar 2016 #34
I know :( d_b Mar 2016 #36
Its a huge mistake to play prevent D it always lets the other team back in the game MattP Mar 2016 #29
She didn't try at all in Alaska. Blue_In_AK Mar 2016 #31
Yeah, that's it. KPN Mar 2016 #32
No RandySF Mar 2016 #33
Compare the size of the crowds Hillary attracts to those of Bernie. ... spin Mar 2016 #35
Now let's compare their respective shares of the popular vote. hack89 Mar 2016 #38
Let's look at the recent results. ... spin Mar 2016 #41
And she was big wins in big states ahead of her hack89 Mar 2016 #43
Don't count on it. ... spin Mar 2016 #44
The patterns for this primary season are clear hack89 Mar 2016 #45
The race was supposed to be between Hillary and Jeb. ... spin Mar 2016 #47
You keep clinging to those RW memes of crimes and indictments hack89 Mar 2016 #48
The FBI doesn't work for the Republicans. ... spin Mar 2016 #50
You are really rooting for an indictment, aren't you? hack89 Mar 2016 #55
As I said time will tell. I do know this... spin Mar 2016 #58
No she would've wrapped it up already if she could have. Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #40
Wow. Seriously? Arkana Mar 2016 #42
How incredibly condescending and strident. marmar Mar 2016 #49
Mark Twain said, "If voting made any difference, they wouldn't let us do it." PatrickforO Mar 2016 #51
lol, digging deep there 2pooped2pop Mar 2016 #56
Heaven help me. Aerows Mar 2016 #57
No. She wants the excuse that she didn't compete though she had the Democratic establishment Skwmom Mar 2016 #59
 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
7. Not really her personally. More like They.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:25 PM
Mar 2016

I should have said are They letting Bernie win a few states?

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
11. there is much more to it than just that
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:29 PM
Mar 2016

for example, there is no solution to our health care situation the way she is taking it. they are lying about something really important which is going to come out.


When I explain it here, it seems my posts get hidden.

Hows that for "democracy".

Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
24. So, it wasn't good people voting in the majority of states so far?
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 01:22 AM
Mar 2016

Interesting. Exactly why are these people bad?

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
12. Let me think about that for a sec...
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:31 PM
Mar 2016

🤔 Uh, yeah... No. Not a chance. She wants this over yesterday. Any chance to finish this now she'd take.

That said, she's no fool and realizes the states today and some coming up do not favor her and she probably is choosing not to put a lot of resources into states she's gonna lose by a large margin anyway.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
20. That's genuinely dumb.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:52 PM
Mar 2016

No politician would do that. Never.

She's losing states for a whole bunch of reasons, but deliberately losing is not one of them.

corbettkroehler

(1,898 posts)
22. Florida In Reverse
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 12:28 AM
Mar 2016

She's copying yet another page from Sanders' playbook. Just as he barely contested Florida, she barely contested the Pacific states which have voted thus far. It's about geography and resources versus futility.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
23. Or, as they said about Bernie, is she throwing those states under the bus?
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 12:35 AM
Mar 2016

That's what they said about Bernie.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
25. She's not wasting her money in states with small delegate proportions.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 01:25 AM
Mar 2016

This election isn't for states, it is for delegates. Even if she "loses" a state, she still gets a proportional amount of delegates.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
37. Her margins are such that spending millions to get
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:32 AM
Mar 2016

another few delegates out of these states with a small number of delegates would be foolish.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
53. You're right, but it's a gamble
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 06:53 PM
Mar 2016

Oregon will probably go like Washington, and hopefully so will California. That's the big prize. I'll be glad to cast my vote for Bernie from Ca.

 

anothergreenbus

(110 posts)
27. Yes absolutely
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 01:34 AM
Mar 2016

she's letting him dominate in those states to insure her ultimate victory. And those turnout numbers are designed to give Bernie a false sense of accomplishment to...to....wait a minute, where did I pull all of that out of?

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
46. yeah, they're really not that bright when it comes down to it
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 03:51 PM
Mar 2016

they're always caught in a loop of covering up the breach of past coverups with further coverups

that Sanders trendline is RUTHLESS and the media loves picking on surprise losers--"what went wrong?" "what's going wrong?" "why can't she win people over?" "how meaningful is winning NY if he's the nationally preferred choice?" "why can't she replicate his iron appeal?" "are all her wins just name recognition?" "why's the national unfavorite still running?" "why's the national unfavorite still winning states?"

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
54. and your graphic too! neoliberalism's just Pinonomics--sell off the country to investors
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 06:55 PM
Mar 2016

bit by bit and hope that a "liberated" economy will produce enough bubbles for everyone to live off of

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
34. And even with the worst that Republicans can throw at us,
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 01:58 AM
Mar 2016

if she's the nominee, she won't win here. Bernie would have a chance.

 

d_b

(7,463 posts)
36. I know :(
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 02:10 AM
Mar 2016

Bernie is a fighter, and he's consistent. And he's not Donald Trump.


He'd have a decent chance.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
31. She didn't try at all in Alaska.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 01:55 AM
Mar 2016

One campaign office for the whole state, I heard, compared to five for Bernie, zero TV ads, and no representative from her family campaigning here, unlike Jane Sanders, who spent the last three days in Alaska.

spin

(17,493 posts)
35. Compare the size of the crowds Hillary attracts to those of Bernie. ...
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 02:09 AM
Mar 2016
https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/JESyfawID3Q6sE4gG8J3uw--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAwO2lsPXBsYW5l/



?1441945085



This campaign seemed to be wearing Hillary down and Bernie still looks like the Energizer Bunny Rabbit.

spin

(17,493 posts)
41. Let's look at the recent results. ...
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 12:05 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie is cutting into Hillary's lead big time with blow out wins. People who attend Bernie's rallies are beginning to realize that if they vote he can win!

Hillary is viewed as the establishment. Bernie is viewed as someone who might actually cause real change.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
43. And she was big wins in big states ahead of her
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 12:34 PM
Mar 2016

That will once again pad her lead. That's how primaries work. Let not forget that Obama was losing states in May yet his 100 delegate lead still proved insurmountable.

spin

(17,493 posts)
44. Don't count on it. ...
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 01:27 PM
Mar 2016

This is a very unusual election year.

Who would have predicted that either Trump or Bernie would do so well?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
45. The patterns for this primary season are clear
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 02:36 PM
Mar 2016

we know who votes for who and what states are best for each candidate. There is nothing really unpredictable about it.

spin

(17,493 posts)
47. The race was supposed to be between Hillary and Jeb. ...
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 06:11 PM
Mar 2016

Jeb fumbled the ball but Hillary hasn't. Unfortunately for Hillary she fails to create enthusiasm and to top that off she is being investigated by the FBI. If the rumors are correct the FBI may recommend she be indicted which the DOJ will most likely ignore. If that happens leaks will occur and will damage her chances. Many people already view Hillary as deceitful and dishonest.

Of course what may save her in the end is Trump the Bully. If she runs against him she should win.

The problem is that Trump does create enthusiasm and appears to be the new copper and ceramic non stick frying pan of politics. He can say unbelievably insulting and downright stupid things and people still line up to vote for him. Millions of Republican dollars have been wasted on attack ads against Trump and he still goes on like the energizer bunny rabbit. The fact that he is the leading "Republican" defies all logic.

It's almost like we have stepped into a parallel universe where the laws of politics no longer work.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
48. You keep clinging to those RW memes of crimes and indictments
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 06:25 PM
Mar 2016

the fact is she will win both the nomination and the GE.

spin

(17,493 posts)
50. The FBI doesn't work for the Republicans. ...
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 06:44 PM
Mar 2016

That agency is not part of the vast right wing conspiracy. When their investigation into Hillary's dark server is over they will either recommend an indictment based on the evidence or find she did nothing wrong.

Of course even if the FBI does recommend an indictment and if the DOJ agrees to proceed that doesn't automatically mean Hillary is guilty.

You can bet that the FBI will take its time to build an absolutely air tight case before asking for an indictment. This investigation will be one of the most important in the FBI's history. The reputation of the agency is on the line.

It may well end up that Hillary is not charged but some flunkies at the State Department and/or some of Hillary's aides will end up being thrown under the bus. Even if that happens Hillary will be damaged by the fallout.

Of course as I mentioned the FBI may end up deciding that Hilary did nothing wrong. The Republicans will then say politics was in play and many will believe them.

Time will tell.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
55. You are really rooting for an indictment, aren't you?
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 07:10 PM
Mar 2016

Did you miss all the articles pointing out that indictment is not going to happen because the law everyone is quoting doesn't apply to her situation?

spin

(17,493 posts)
58. As I said time will tell. I do know this...
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:23 PM
Mar 2016

If I had been caught after setting up a private server in my home and using it to send and receive even low level classified email (Confidential) back before I retired, I would most likely have spent some time behind bars. I held a security clearance in the military and as a civilian for 40 years and handled classified data on a daily basis.

But of course I am just one of the little people who have to obey the rules. If we actually live in an oligarchy which some suggest a few privileged people are totally above the law. If so, I suspect Hillary holds a gold plated Get Out Of Jail Free card.

In a well functioning representative democracy the rule of law applies equally to all. If the FBI concludes that there is solid evidence that Hillary mishandled classified email and recommends an indictment and the DOJ refuses to proceed then I will tell my two grandsons to avoid joining the military as they will not be fighting for freedom but instead for the oligarchy.


Arkana

(24,347 posts)
42. Wow. Seriously?
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 12:13 PM
Mar 2016

Yes, I'm sure it was all part of Hillary's plan to barely pull out Iowa by .4%, nearly lose Massachusetts, and lose Michigan. Yep. She's just the goddamn puppetmaster to beat all puppetmasters.

marmar

(77,106 posts)
49. How incredibly condescending and strident.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 06:29 PM
Mar 2016

Maybe the wise voters in those states are just tired of neoliberal con artists?

PatrickforO

(14,602 posts)
51. Mark Twain said, "If voting made any difference, they wouldn't let us do it."
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 06:52 PM
Mar 2016

This dubious meme has circulated for a good century or more in America.

The thing is, if we all DID vote in primaries and general elections, and became aware and active at local, state and national levels, then our

votes

WOULD

COUNT


So, let's get out there and make them count. Let's take Bernie's lead and educate the American working class about wealth inequality, oligarchy and unrestrained capitalism, and then let's all VOTE.

If we do this, we are saying to the establishment, "NO! Our votes DO count, and if you wish to reverse that, then do so at your own peril, because you only govern at the sufferance of the people."

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
57. Heaven help me.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 07:25 PM
Mar 2016

I thought we had crossed the bullshit threshold with the AZ numbers, but now I've heard it all.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
59. No. She wants the excuse that she didn't compete though she had the Democratic establishment
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:28 PM
Mar 2016

in her pocket and plenty of SuperPac Money.

The election is rigged.
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