2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIs Hillary letting Bernie win a few states just so it won't seem like a coronation?
It doesn't seem like she is really trying too hard in some of the states.
If her campaign is sure they are on a path to win the nomination, it would be better for her to lose a few so it seems like there is an actual democracy with a real contest.
If Bernie were to get too badly beaten or if he were to drop out, his supporters might feel like the system was rigged or the election is fake nonsense.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)And prefer Bernie.
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I resemble that remark
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)I should have said are They letting Bernie win a few states?
Baobab
(4,667 posts)for example, there is no solution to our health care situation the way she is taking it. they are lying about something really important which is going to come out.
When I explain it here, it seems my posts get hidden.
Hows that for "democracy".
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)
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bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Interesting. Exactly why are these people bad?
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)I was expecting more
dchill
(38,582 posts)She's got cupcake ladies stealing ballots!
scscholar
(2,902 posts)She just let Bernie run wild. Run wild.
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)for just proposing that thought that you want others to think.
Takket
(21,661 posts)TDale313
(7,820 posts)🤔 Uh, yeah... No. Not a chance. She wants this over yesterday. Any chance to finish this now she'd take.
That said, she's no fool and realizes the states today and some coming up do not favor her and she probably is choosing not to put a lot of resources into states she's gonna lose by a large margin anyway.
JI7
(89,281 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)He is just beating her. I'm sure she doesn't enjoy it.
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)We need to double up our efforts on future cheating.
JohnnyLib2
(11,212 posts)All will be revealed when the stars align.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)every campaign does this.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)No politician would do that. Never.
She's losing states for a whole bunch of reasons, but deliberately losing is not one of them.
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)corbettkroehler
(1,898 posts)She's copying yet another page from Sanders' playbook. Just as he barely contested Florida, she barely contested the Pacific states which have voted thus far. It's about geography and resources versus futility.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)That's what they said about Bernie.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)This election isn't for states, it is for delegates. Even if she "loses" a state, she still gets a proportional amount of delegates.
4nic8em
(482 posts)Wouldn't she get more delegates if she won more states...?
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)another few delegates out of these states with a small number of delegates would be foolish.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Oregon will probably go like Washington, and hopefully so will California. That's the big prize. I'll be glad to cast my vote for Bernie from Ca.
anothergreenbus
(110 posts)she's letting him dominate in those states to insure her ultimate victory. And those turnout numbers are designed to give Bernie a false sense of accomplishment to...to....wait a minute, where did I pull all of that out of?
MisterP
(23,730 posts)they're always caught in a loop of covering up the breach of past coverups with further coverups
that Sanders trendline is RUTHLESS and the media loves picking on surprise losers--"what went wrong?" "what's going wrong?" "why can't she win people over?" "how meaningful is winning NY if he's the nationally preferred choice?" "why can't she replicate his iron appeal?" "are all her wins just name recognition?" "why's the national unfavorite still running?" "why's the national unfavorite still winning states?"
anothergreenbus
(110 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)bit by bit and hope that a "liberated" economy will produce enough bubbles for everyone to live off of
d_b
(7,463 posts)I can assure you she had no chance of winning there. Ever. None.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)if she's the nominee, she won't win here. Bernie would have a chance.
Bernie is a fighter, and he's consistent. And he's not Donald Trump.
He'd have a decent chance.
MattP
(3,304 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)One campaign office for the whole state, I heard, compared to five for Bernie, zero TV ads, and no representative from her family campaigning here, unlike Jane Sanders, who spent the last three days in Alaska.
KPN
(15,670 posts)Fool everyone by intentionally losing. Hillaryous!
RandySF
(59,547 posts)She's spending widely on states with the most efficient delegate yield.
spin
(17,493 posts)?1441945085
This campaign seemed to be wearing Hillary down and Bernie still looks like the Energizer Bunny Rabbit.
hack89
(39,171 posts)votes matter, not crowds.
spin
(17,493 posts)Bernie is cutting into Hillary's lead big time with blow out wins. People who attend Bernie's rallies are beginning to realize that if they vote he can win!
Hillary is viewed as the establishment. Bernie is viewed as someone who might actually cause real change.
hack89
(39,171 posts)That will once again pad her lead. That's how primaries work. Let not forget that Obama was losing states in May yet his 100 delegate lead still proved insurmountable.
spin
(17,493 posts)This is a very unusual election year.
Who would have predicted that either Trump or Bernie would do so well?
hack89
(39,171 posts)we know who votes for who and what states are best for each candidate. There is nothing really unpredictable about it.
spin
(17,493 posts)Jeb fumbled the ball but Hillary hasn't. Unfortunately for Hillary she fails to create enthusiasm and to top that off she is being investigated by the FBI. If the rumors are correct the FBI may recommend she be indicted which the DOJ will most likely ignore. If that happens leaks will occur and will damage her chances. Many people already view Hillary as deceitful and dishonest.
Of course what may save her in the end is Trump the Bully. If she runs against him she should win.
The problem is that Trump does create enthusiasm and appears to be the new copper and ceramic non stick frying pan of politics. He can say unbelievably insulting and downright stupid things and people still line up to vote for him. Millions of Republican dollars have been wasted on attack ads against Trump and he still goes on like the energizer bunny rabbit. The fact that he is the leading "Republican" defies all logic.
It's almost like we have stepped into a parallel universe where the laws of politics no longer work.
hack89
(39,171 posts)the fact is she will win both the nomination and the GE.
spin
(17,493 posts)That agency is not part of the vast right wing conspiracy. When their investigation into Hillary's dark server is over they will either recommend an indictment based on the evidence or find she did nothing wrong.
Of course even if the FBI does recommend an indictment and if the DOJ agrees to proceed that doesn't automatically mean Hillary is guilty.
You can bet that the FBI will take its time to build an absolutely air tight case before asking for an indictment. This investigation will be one of the most important in the FBI's history. The reputation of the agency is on the line.
It may well end up that Hillary is not charged but some flunkies at the State Department and/or some of Hillary's aides will end up being thrown under the bus. Even if that happens Hillary will be damaged by the fallout.
Of course as I mentioned the FBI may end up deciding that Hilary did nothing wrong. The Republicans will then say politics was in play and many will believe them.
Time will tell.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Did you miss all the articles pointing out that indictment is not going to happen because the law everyone is quoting doesn't apply to her situation?
spin
(17,493 posts)If I had been caught after setting up a private server in my home and using it to send and receive even low level classified email (Confidential) back before I retired, I would most likely have spent some time behind bars. I held a security clearance in the military and as a civilian for 40 years and handled classified data on a daily basis.
But of course I am just one of the little people who have to obey the rules. If we actually live in an oligarchy which some suggest a few privileged people are totally above the law. If so, I suspect Hillary holds a gold plated Get Out Of Jail Free card.
In a well functioning representative democracy the rule of law applies equally to all. If the FBI concludes that there is solid evidence that Hillary mishandled classified email and recommends an indictment and the DOJ refuses to proceed then I will tell my two grandsons to avoid joining the military as they will not be fighting for freedom but instead for the oligarchy.
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)Arkana
(24,347 posts)Yes, I'm sure it was all part of Hillary's plan to barely pull out Iowa by .4%, nearly lose Massachusetts, and lose Michigan. Yep. She's just the goddamn puppetmaster to beat all puppetmasters.
marmar
(77,106 posts)Maybe the wise voters in those states are just tired of neoliberal con artists?
PatrickforO
(14,602 posts)This dubious meme has circulated for a good century or more in America.
The thing is, if we all DID vote in primaries and general elections, and became aware and active at local, state and national levels, then our
votes
WOULD
COUNT
So, let's get out there and make them count. Let's take Bernie's lead and educate the American working class about wealth inequality, oligarchy and unrestrained capitalism, and then let's all VOTE.
If we do this, we are saying to the establishment, "NO! Our votes DO count, and if you wish to reverse that, then do so at your own peril, because you only govern at the sufferance of the people."
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)Funniest post I've seen in a long time.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I thought we had crossed the bullshit threshold with the AZ numbers, but now I've heard it all.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)in her pocket and plenty of SuperPac Money.
The election is rigged.