Holy Shit! Hillary just jumped the shark!

[berni_mccoy]

On MSNBC giving her speech in WI she's rewriting history. She's blaming Trump's rise and popularity on the GOP rhetoric and movements like The Birther movement.

There's only one problem with that. SHE started the birther bullshit in 2008 with her pics of Obama in Muslim/African garb and declaring her infamous "As Far As I Know" when confronted with direct questions regarding Obama's citizenship or religion.

For any doubters, there have been plenty of threads here discussing how she's responsible for the birther shit.

So if she's using this as an excuse for trump, then she's just as responsible for him as anyone else.

[DanTex]

1. She's right. Giving a great speech right now.

[berni_mccoy]

2. Yes she's "right" for sure. As conservative as they come.

[DanTex]

3. Clever!

[BeanMusical]

80. +1

[Baobab]

68. That is simply not true. i am a die hard Bernie supporter, as you can probably see

and I never saw any of that 'birther' stuff from HRC in 2008.

It was the right wingers that were doing that.

[DanTex]

69. I agree with you. I'm saying she's right that the GOP has brought Trump upon itself

by catering to the worst instincts of the GOP base, like birtherism.

[Hekate]

125. Thank you

[Jitter65]

4. That allegation about her 2008 campaign has been debunked over and over again. nt

[berni_mccoy]

6. Nope, in fact there has been thorough discussion and resolution here that she is responsible

The standard operating response is that Obama "forgave" her.

[StevieM]

112. Nope. Clinton supporters don't say "she was forgiven." We say the truth, which is that

it never happened.

[ThePhilosopher04]

7. No it has not.

[amborin]

14. wrong; it came from the Clinton campaign

Obama campaign manager David Plouffe accused the Clinton campaign Monday of "shameful offensive fear-mongering" by circulating a photo as an attempted smear.

Plouffe was reacting to a banner headline on the Drudge Report saying that aides to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) had e-mailed a photo calling attention to the African roots of Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.).

"The photo, taken in 2006, shows the Democrat front-runner dressed as a Somali Elder, during his visit to Wajir, a rural area in northeastern Kenya," the Drudge Report said. The photo created huge buzz in political circles and immediately became known as "the 'dressed' photo," reflecting the Drudge terminology.

Plouffe said in a statement: “On the very day that Senator Clinton is giving a speech about restoring respect for America in the world, her campaign has engaged in the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we’ve seen from either party in this election. This is part of a disturbing pattern that led her county chairs to resign in Iowa, her campaign chairman to resign in New Hampshire, and it’s exactly the kind of divisive politics that turns away Americans of all parties and diminishes respect for America in the world," said Plouffe.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2008/02/obama-slams-smear-photo-008667#ixzz44EhkNoDg
Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook

[randome]

17. Ha! I guess if Drudge says it happened, case closed, right?

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

[berni_mccoy]

21. Except Drudge got it from the Hillary campaign if you could bother to read

[randome]

23. So he said.

I can read. I can even read objectively. Can you?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

[berni_mccoy]

24. Hillary's campaign admitted it if you knew anything

[randome]

28. Oh, now I need to 'know things' instead of relying on a link.

Someone on Clinton's campaign mailed a snooty, despicable photo to Drudge and she admitted it. Oh, my stars and garters!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

[berni_mccoy]

32. Here you fucking go.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/25/barackobama.hillaryclinton

Now go put your head back in the sand.

[randome]

40. No head in the sand here. Your second link explains it better.

Still, that doesn't mean Clinton herself approved of sending the photo. It could have been her. It could have been someone else. Relying on Drudge to set matters right is a fool's errand. And what Clinton is saying today is spot on. Why don't you listen to what she said instead of searching fervently -and hopelessly- for a way to knock her out of the running?

I mean, we're supposed to be talking about the issues, right, not making them up as we go along? What she said is true. You can admit that, right?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

[Gothmog]

55. Why let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory

[Loudestlib]

79. Good for you!

We don't want randome to get lonely in that bubble.

[berni_mccoy]

89. Now you're just distancing Hillary from her campaign? Sorry but she is responsible

She knew plenty of the racist shit her campaign did and why else would she say "as far as I know" when asked about it?! Because she was involved plain and simple.

[BeanMusical]

82. "put your head back in the sand."

You're more diplomatic than I am.

[Jitter65]

96. I guess this doesn't count...and once an accusation is put out there it sticks true or not.

Aides for Mrs Clinton, who is fighting a last-ditch battle to keep her hopes of the White House alive, initially tried to brush off the furore, but later denied having anything to do with the distribution of the picture. "I just want to make it very clear that we were not aware of it, the campaign didn't sanction it and don't know anything about it," Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson told reporters. "None of us have seen the email in question."

[StevieM]

113. Hillary denied it in a debate, and even Obama, who was giving her no benefits of the doubt

at that point, said he took her at her word.

The only basis for saying Hillary sent the photo is as follows:

1) Matt Drudge said so.

2) Hillary's campaign manager, Maggie Williams, herself an African-American, was confused when first confronted with the story as to why the pictures in question were even bad ones, and said so. Hillary haters declared that to be a confession.

[dchill]

86. "As far as I know."

[amborin]

74. it originated with the Clinton campaign

[Beacool]

72. Observe the source of Politico's photo, the Drudge Report.

[amborin]

75. it originated with the Clinton campaign; that's simply the source Politico used for that article

[Beacool]

77. No, it did not.

It actually originated with one of the gossip rags and someone took it and sent it to Drudge. The Clinton campaign as such did not send that photo to Drudge. Anyone can send an unflattering photo and claim to represent X campaign.

[Hekate]

126. Ooooh, Drudge Report, that paragon of accuracy and fair journalism. I feel all better now. nt

[BillZBubb]

18. Geez, you Hillary fanatics even deny history. She did it. She got called on it.

[Beacool]

73. No, it was debunked over and over.

Drudge alleged that he got Obama's photo from someone in the Hillary campaign. I wouldn't trust Drudge if he said that it was raining and I was wet.

[amborin]

76. it was thoroughly investigated and it originated with the Clinton campaign

[BillZBubb]

100. Now you've gone into flat out lying. Willful ignorance is one thing, but lying quite another.

You base your whole lie that it was "debunked" over and over on the fact that Drudge made a statement and you don't trust Drudge? You are either not too bright or flat out dishonest.

There is a whole lot of other evidence besides Drudge's comment that prove the Hillary campaign was involved. Either learn something or STFU.

[Beacool]

105. Your rudeness doesn't deserve a polite response.

Typical from some of his supporters. You do your candidate a disservice.

[nadinbrzezinski]

108. Go correct Factcheck on this, not Drudge, Fact Check

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1595755

[Beacool]

109. There are ways to argue a point.

Cursing out a fellow member of DU is not the way to do it. That poster is just plain rude.

[nadinbrzezinski]

110. Once again, go correct factcheck.org, or not

but the birther shit started in the 2008 campaign, and if one is to be kind, it started with fans of the campaign, if you are to consider Sidney Blumenthal a mere fan

[StevieM]

116. I think we always knew that Hillary haters would start repeating this lie when she ran again.

Hillary's campaign manager, Maggie Williams, herself an African-American, was confused when first confronted with the story as to why the pictures in question were even bad ones, and said so. Hillary haters declared that to be a confession.

As for the Mike Wallace interview, he kept asking her the same question over and over again. Eventually he was going to get some kind of wording that he could turn into a gotcha moment. In actuality, Hillary finished by saying that she too had been the victim of rumors and smears, and so she had great sympathy for anyone subjected to them.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

137. a denial by a Hillarian is hardly a debunking.

I know what she did in Chicago. She sent operatives to Rev. Wright's church, got copies of all audio and video of his sermons, then leaked that to certain press folks so they would attack Obama via his pastor.

Talk about nasty, underhanded, evil, unethical actions - but that is Hillary in a nutshell.

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. You might want to go correct Factcheck on this

According to the article, the theory that Obama was born in Kenya “first emerged in the spring of 2008, as Clinton supporters circulated an anonymous email questioning Obama’s citizenship.”

The second article, which ran several days after the Politico piece, was published by the Telegraph, a British paper, which stated: “An anonymous email circulated by supporters of Mrs Clinton, Mr Obama’s main rival for the party’s nomination, thrust a new allegation into the national spotlight — that he had not been born in Hawaii.”

Both of those stories comport with what we here at FactCheck.org wrote two-and-a-half years earlier, on Nov. 8, 2008: “This claim was first advanced by diehard Hillary Clinton supporters as her campaign for the party’s nomination faded, and has enjoyed a revival among John McCain’s partisans as he fell substantially behind Obama in public opinion polls.”

Claims about Obama’s birthplace appeared in chain emails bouncing around the Web, and one of the first lawsuits over Obama’s birth certificate was filed by Philip Berg, a former deputy Pennsylvania attorney general and a self-described “moderate to liberal” who supported Clinton.

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther/

[Bjornsdotter]

34. Facts, those wacky facts

[Gothmog]

39. Why let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory

[randome]

46. "Die-hard Clinton supporters." In other words, just like the most egregious of Sanders supporters.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

[nadinbrzezinski]

50. Well you know why Sidney Blumenthal never got a job at State

That minor incident.

[840high]

95. Thank you Nadin + 10000

[Jefferson23]

57. NO, it was not. You could ask yourself why Obama did not make any statements to debunk

what was written about by Reggie Love when his book was published Jan. 2015:

The moment Obama knew he would beat Hillary Clinton for the 2008 nomination

It was December 2007, and the Democratic race for the presidential nomination had taken a bit of a nasty turn. Billy Shaheen, then co-chair of Hillary Clinton’s New Hampshire campaign, had speculated to The Washington Post that Republicans would attack Sen. Barack Obama on the drug use the candidate had admitted to on the trail and in “Dreams From My Father,” his 1995 memoir. As Shaheen put it: “It’ll be, ‘When was the last time? Did you ever give drugs to anyone? Did you sell them to anyone?’ There are so many openings for Republican dirty tricks.”

The next day, Obama and Clinton were both at Reagan National Airport on their way to Iowa for a debate, and the candidates met on the tarmac for what became a brief but heated conversation. Then-Obama personal aide Reggie Love witnessed the event and describes it in his new memoir:

“I want to apologize for the whole Shaheen thing,” Clinton said. “I want you to know I had nothing to do with it.”

The candidate very respectfully told her the apology was kind, but largely meaningless, given the emails it was rumored her camp had been sending out labeling him as a Muslim. Before he could finish his sentence, she exploded on Obama. In a matter of seconds, she went from composed to furious. It had not been Obama’s intention to upset her, but he wasn’t going to play the fool either. To all of us watching the spat unfold, it was an obvious turning point in our campaign, and we knew it. Clinton was no less competitive or committed to a cause than Obama, and the electric tension running through both candidates and their respective staffs reflected the understanding that she was no longer the de facto Democratic candidate. Her inevitability had been questioned. . . .

I remember Obama telling me later that day that he knew he was going to win the nomination after that moment on the tarmac, because Clinton had unraveled, and he was still standing and keeping his cool. It was just the confidence boost he needed.

— from “Power Forward,” by Reggie Love

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/book-party/wp/2015/01/29/the-moment-obama-knew-he-would-beat-hillary-clinton-for-the-2008-nomination/

Hillary Clinton ran a despicable campaign then just as she is now...no one should deny it.

[BeanMusical]

85. "In a matter of seconds, she went from composed to furious."

She was already rather unstable back then.

[lunamagica]

5. Just jumped the shark? Just? You mean you think she was right before?

[berni_mccoy]

8. Well ok, she came back for a second run at it!

[Kittycat]

16. Come on. It's a bunny shark.

[BeanMusical]

87. She's gonna need a bigger boat.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

9. And they say she's been fully vetted. I think this needs to be looked at again.

[zappaman]

10. Keep trying. n/t

[berni_mccoy]

11. I think you meant that for Hillary. Though she's running out of attempts

[Trust Buster]

12. Hillary just perfectly framed an argument that I've been hoping for months that she'd address.

[berni_mccoy]

13. You mean you've hoped she'd implicate herself in the sleezy politics

That's created Trump?

[Trust Buster]

19. No, you clearly missed the seminal moment of her speech if you even watched it at all

[berni_mccoy]

22. Which seminal moment? You never know with #WhichHillary

[Trust Buster]

25. Never mind. You only wish to behave like a Republican today.

[berni_mccoy]

26. No that's Hillary who is trying to rewrite history (a GOP tactic)

[Trust Buster]

38. This was the most important speech given by a Democrat in years but you can't take off

your Sanders glasses long enough to recognize that. You actively work against the interests of Democrats with your petty Hillary insults.

[berni_mccoy]

47. No quite simply it wasn't. And she put in a major lie.

[Trust Buster]

58. You're pretty sad. You do not help the progressive cause with these antics.

Hillary's speech framed the Democrats argument against the Republicans quite eloquently IMO.

[BeanMusical]

88. "seminal moment"

The jokes write themselves.

[Trust Buster]

90. I'm laughing at a poster that didn't even watch her speech but bloviates anyway...LOL

[BeanMusical]

92. If you knew the first definition of "seminal" in Merriam-Webster it would be even funnier.

[Trust Buster]

93. Goodbye

[BeanMusical]

94. You're angry, I can tell.

[HumanityExperiment]

15. Was that a David Brock production?...

Didn't David Brock start that birther angle in '08 primary cycle?

[berni_mccoy]

20. I believe it was Mark Penn. His memo leaked blatantly outlined

Racial tactics in the campaign.

[Gothmog]

37. Do you tire of being wrong?

There was no link to the Clinton campaign. This silly claim was fact checked and found to be false.

[nadinbrzezinski]

48. You know why Sidney Blumenthal was not hired at State?

Some sources blame him for it. You do know that Sidney is very close to the Clintons right?

By the way, the way modern campaigns work, whether D or R, slams like this are never, ever directly connected to the candidate. That is what surrogates are for. Those of us who know better on how this shit works, take the innocent plea for what it is worth, shit.

[Gothmog]

63. It was not Mark Penn that started this rumor but a disbarred attorney named Philip Berg

Philip Berg is the 9/11 truther who is credited with starting this rumor. Berg is a crazy person who has been disbarred. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_J._Berg

In January 2014, Berg resigned from the bar of the Supreme Court of the United States after it had previously ordered him to explain why he should not be expelled. Berg stated his intention to reapply for membership once the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania restored his law license.[9]

Berg was disbarred on consent from practicing law in Pennsylvania; the state Supreme Court announced on June 16, 2015, that he had submitted a letter of resignation that the court kept under seal. The court said that he had neglected to inform a client that a judge had dismissed her lawsuit. The court said his client went two years without learning of the dismissal.[10]

None of the fact checkers have mentioned Blumenthal on this issue.

[nadinbrzezinski]

64. Phillip Berg was connected

but so was Sidney

And he did much more than just that

Here you go

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-dreier/sidney-blumenthal-uses-fo_b_99695.html

And here from the New Yorker

http://www.newyorker.com/news/hendrik-hertzberg/cant-we-all-get-along

Obama black balled him for good reason IMO...

[Gothmog]

118. Are you feeling okay?

This is really weak and sad. Did you even read the material you posted? There is nothing about birther in these articles. This is a very sad and weak claim

Berg had no relationship to the campaign or to reality.

[nadinbrzezinski]

119. Yes I did

and Berg did not, but Sidney definitely did have contact with the campaign.

Ignoring this is what some folks will do, but some of us know far better, This started, to be kind, as a series of emails, But campaigns in the modern period reserve the smears to surrogates. This is why she has somewhat of a plausible deniability. Do you want to read the Guardian story, posted on DU today, where the campaign actually admits it.

At the moment this campaign has even gone lower and more rovian than the 2008 version. We as citizens should reject those politics, but since it is a football game for most, hey it's sports. Myself, I am getting tired of the bullshit, no mater who does it. And it is bullshit.

[Gothmog]

127. Reread your articles-nothing is these attempts talk about birtherism

The articles you cite do not support your claims. Berg is not sane and was never part of the Clinton campaign. It was Berg who started the Birther crap. Blumenthal did not push the birther crap which is the premise of this silly thread

[nadinbrzezinski]

130. Whatever go enjoy the football game

This racist shit is starting to backfire, and that pleases me to no end

[Gothmog]

131. The premise of this thread is false and sad

The rather dumb claim that Clinton was responsible for the birther movement is false according to all of the fact checkers.

Sanders is not going to be the nominee but is continuing to campaign on the promise that super delegates will flip and that Sanders did not really campaign in Texas or 7 other states. This primary process is getting silly right now.

Again, you may dislike Blumenthal but there is no proof that he is responsible for any birther stories

[jeff47]

114. No, it was Blumenthal. That's why Obama forbade Clinton from hiring him at State. (nt)

[NWCorona]

27. And this is why Hillary won't get a life preserver from Obama's DOJ

Michelle and Valerie constantly give Hillary the side eye

[Gothmog]

49. Do you really believe this?

If so, you can lock in a good profit by opening an Irish brokerage account and buying an option agreement based on Sanders becoming the nominee. You would get great return on this investment and the smart money or investors will be happy to take your money. No one believes that there will be an indictment but if you really believe this silliness, then open a brokerage account now and lock a good return in. http://predictwise.com/politics/2016-president-democratic-nomination

[NWCorona]

62. I'm not saying she will get indicted

Even tho it doesn't look good.

If it does happen come back to my post.

[AzDar]

30. Yep.

[riversedge]

31. She hit on so many intelligent points about the SC-and Issues that affect all of our lives.

[Trust Buster]

41. BINGO !! Finally, an intelligent post on this thread.

[Gothmog]

33. Did Hillary Clinton start the Obama birther movement?

Your claim that Clinton started the birth story is false and has been debunked http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/23/donald-trump/hillary-clinton-obama-birther-fact-check/

Then Trump responds with a tweet of his own. "Just remember, the birther movement was started by Hillary Clinton in 2008. She was all in!"

The birther movement refers to the long-running myth that Obama was not born in the United States and thus, under the Constitution, could not be president. Trump promoted this belief avidly for several years with anyone who would listen. This week, Trump told Late Show host Stephen Colbert that he doesn’t "talk about it anymore."

Did Clinton not just start the birther movement but back it wholeheartedly by being "all in"?....

Our ruling

Trump said that Clinton started the birther movement and "was all in."

It’s an interesting bit of history that the birther movement appears to have begun with Democrats supporting Clinton and opposing Obama. But Trump, and others who have made this claim, neglect to mention that there is no direct tie to Clinton or her 2008 campaign.

The story appears to have started with supporters of Clinton, an important distinction.

Trump goes on to completely distort the chain of events by claiming Clinton "was all in" on the birther movement. Most of the talk started after Clinton suspended her presidential campaign. And the only thing she officially has ever done is deny any accusation of starting a whisper campaign.

We rate this claim False.

It is sad to see DUers make such claims.

[berni_mccoy]

44. You can't read. The FALSE refers to Trumps comment about Hillary being "all in"

Which they can't confirm. However she most certainly did start it and spread it.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/25/barackobama.hillaryclinton

[Gothmog]

52. You are wrong

Read the article or have someone read it for you. The article that I posted was specifically on the birther lies which is the lie that your OP is premised on. You are now trying to change the story and that is sad

[Dem2]

35. Jumped the shark?

Not a lot of people agreeing with your hypothesis here.

Blinded by your biases?

[Gothmog]

36. Was Hillary Clinton the Original ‘Birther’?

The claim that Clinton started the birther movement is false http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther/

Both of those stories comport with what we here at FactCheck.org wrote two-and-a-half years earlier, on Nov. 8, 2008: “This claim was first advanced by diehard Hillary Clinton supporters as her campaign for the party’s nomination faded, and has enjoyed a revival among John McCain’s partisans as he fell substantially behind Obama in public opinion polls.”
Claims about Obama’s birthplace appeared in chain emails bouncing around the Web, and one of the first lawsuits over Obama’s birth certificate was filed by Philip Berg, a former deputy Pennsylvania attorney general and a self-described “moderate to liberal” who supported Clinton.

But none of those stories suggests any link between the Clinton campaign, let alone Clinton herself, and the advocacy of theories questioning Obama’s birth in Hawaii.

One of the authors of the Politico story, Byron Tau, now a reporter for the Wall Street Journal, told FactCheck.org via email that “we never found any links between the Clinton campaign and the rumors in 2008.”

The other coauthor of the Politico story, Ben Smith, now the editor-in-chief of BuzzFeed, said in a May 2013 interview on MSNBC that the conspiracy theories traced back to “some of [Hillary Clinton’s] passionate supporters,” during the final throes of Clinton’s 2008 campaign. But he said they did not come from “Clinton herself or her staff.”

Josh Schwerin, a spokesman for the Clinton campaign, said Cruz’s claim is false. “The Clinton campaign never suggested that President Obama was not born here,” Schwerin wrote to us in an email.

The premise of the OP is simply false

[berni_mccoy]

45. Wrong again. See response 44

[Gothmog]

53. You are wrong and you should read the material posted

Your article is not about birther rumors but the picture circulated. The fact checkers have confirmed that the lie that your OP is premised on is false.

Again, read the material

[lastone]

42. hrc wants to have it both ways on this

and EVERY OTHER THING she's ever said, hence the backlash here and all over the country. how can you gauge one's convictions when one changes them to suit her current locality?

you really have to ask yourself, how can someone with so much flip flopping in their past actually claim anything as their own?

release the transcripts - that would sink her candidacy tomorrow and she knows it which is why she wont.

no courage
no conviction
just another clinton

[840high]

98. I'm adding no moral compass.

[me b zola]

43. Before Palin went racist in the 2008 election

...were the Clintons. As horrible as Sarah Palin was during the election, it was the Clintons who first used racism as a dog whistle to make inroads with those who are inspired by it in 2008.

Team Hillary jumped the shark a long time ago.

[hollysmom]

51. let's be fair here - it was clinton supporters who did that

there was no paper trail back to the Clinton campaign but there was proof that some of her supporters absolutely positively did it.

[Gothmog]

54. So Bernie is responsible for every claim made by the bernie bros?

Do you really believe this?

[Marr]

67. Clinton's *staffers* did it. Stop acting like it was some anonymous 'supporter'.

[hollysmom]

71. first lets start honestly here

bernie bros was invent by a guy and he apologized for it, does not exist so stop spreading fiction
second I said she was not responsible for it. The people who spread it are responsible as always.
a candidate can dissociate from this stuff and move on unscarred. If they don't dissociate themselves, you do get scarred, I don't have the time line here, but at some point Clinton did dissociate her self from that behavior, now did she tell them to stop, I don't know. Not my problem Now if only she would dissociate her self from slime ball Brock, I would have more respect. He is dragging the election into the trash,maybe practicing for Trump.

[Jefferson23]

84. Yes, lets be honest. It was not debunked in the manner you suggest. Was it an online

supporter who made her say..as far as I know? What exactly about her conduct is she
not responsible for...her online and real life supporters made her do all this? If she
was not looking to benefit from the outrageous lies, she could have put it to rest,
but she did not. Look at the time line as well, what followed can not be attributed
to her supporters. That anyone defends her and or gives her a pass is unfortunate,
since she has not earned the benefit of the doubt.

Was it her online supporters that forced her to use the words about Robert Kennedy?

Clinton Remark on Kennedy’s Killing Stirs Uproar
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/24/us/politics/24clinton.html?_r=0


Reggie Love, his book was published Jan. 2015:

The moment Obama knew he would beat Hillary Clinton for the 2008 nomination

It was December 2007, and the Democratic race for the presidential nomination had taken a bit of a nasty turn. Billy Shaheen, then co-chair of Hillary Clinton’s New Hampshire campaign, had speculated to The Washington Post that Republicans would attack Sen. Barack Obama on the drug use the candidate had admitted to on the trail and in “Dreams From My Father,” his 1995 memoir. As Shaheen put it: “It’ll be, ‘When was the last time? Did you ever give drugs to anyone? Did you sell them to anyone?’ There are so many openings for Republican dirty tricks.”

The next day, Obama and Clinton were both at Reagan National Airport on their way to Iowa for a debate, and the candidates met on the tarmac for what became a brief but heated conversation. Then-Obama personal aide Reggie Love witnessed the event and describes it in his new memoir:

“I want to apologize for the whole Shaheen thing,” Clinton said. “I want you to know I had nothing to do with it.”

The candidate very respectfully told her the apology was kind, but largely meaningless, given the emails it was rumored her camp had been sending out labeling him as a Muslim. Before he could finish his sentence, she exploded on Obama. In a matter of seconds, she went from composed to furious. It had not been Obama’s intention to upset her, but he wasn’t going to play the fool either. To all of us watching the spat unfold, it was an obvious turning point in our campaign, and we knew it. Clinton was no less competitive or committed to a cause than Obama, and the electric tension running through both candidates and their respective staffs reflected the understanding that she was no longer the de facto Democratic candidate. Her inevitability had been questioned. . . .

I remember Obama telling me later that day that he knew he was going to win the nomination after that moment on the tarmac, because Clinton had unraveled, and he was still standing and keeping his cool. It was just the confidence boost he needed.

— from “Power Forward,” by Reggie Love

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/book-party/wp/2015/01/29/the-moment-obama-knew-he-would-beat-hillary-clinton-for-the-2008-nomination/

[hollysmom]

104. here we go

I am not saying she is guiltless,just that she didn't start it, wasn't is started when Obama ran for the senate? I was just reading the snopes version, I generally trust snopes, maybe I should not.
She is responsible for disavowing when people say shit, I do not know whether she did or not. But here is the thing, I would rather come down on her for things she did, there are plenty of them, more than enough. I am still very pissed over the unicorn shit. she was trying to make it sound like he was a senile old man, yet she was the person who had to be hospitalized for brain trauma. I know how this crap works. See how I work here, I know you are trying to establish a pattern, but I am trying to go for the most obvious and undeniable because it came from her own lips. and artful sliming you might say,

[Jefferson23]

107. I understand to a degree where you're coming from, yet I am looking at her conduct

not her staff and it does not wash well. Given her behavior she does not
deserve the benefit of the doubt, there is just so much you can pass off to
your staff.

When she went off the cliff with the Bobby Kennedy assassination comments
I felt that demonstrated she was capable of anything and why I doubt her lack of
knowledge of the Muslim emails. Also those comments did come from her lips,
her words, "as far as I know.......

We do agree she should not win the primary, so there's that.

[bettyellen]

56. thank you! this is like one person Tweets and it is Hillary herself doing it.

I am glad she is speaking out on it. Sucks people cannot appreciate it because it doesn't help Bernie.

[berni_mccoy]

60. Clinton campaign admitted it

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/25/barackobama.hillaryclinton

[Marr]

65. I remember watching her campaign's surrogates in tv interviews at the time, and it was obvious

that they were in on it. They all used the exact same 'as far as I know' and 'if he wants to dress in his native garb' talking points. I wasn't even an Obama supporter and I thought it was foul.

[uponit7771]

132. Clinton killed Abe Lincoln, Birdiebro saw it so why wouldn't she start the birther movement !!??!

Do I need to put the sarcasm tag in?

I do!?!?

.....sssssshit

/sarcasm

[Trust Buster]

59. The responses in this thread are childish beyond belief.

Hillary just made a seminal argument of why Democrats are more appropriate to govern than the Republicans and all you people want to do is have a birtherism conspiracy fest. You've got to be kidding me.

[jeff47]

115. That is a very good reason to not try to rewrite history during a speech.

The lying overwhelms anything else you say.

[beedle]

61. Sorry missed that

from going deaf when all the blood rushing to my ears when she started talking (lying) about getting money out of politics.

[dr60omg]

66. Wait a second she fueled the fire

Do you remember when she fueled the fire (even if she did not send the picture) saying "as far as I know?" How short is historic memory?
I know some people are using other artifacts that may have been spread by her operatives or supporters but come on it was only 8 years ago.

[Beacool]

70. Nonsense, she didn't start anything.

Trump was one of the morons who demanded to see Obama's birth certificate. He wasn't the only one, but he jumped on that bandwagon, even though he wasn't running for office.

The bull on this site never ends........

[BillZBubb]

103. Welcome to ignore you clueless propagandist. People have posted the facts. You post bullshit.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

138. facts are inconvenient things for Hillarians.

[John Poet]

78. Hillary was not one of the Watergate burglars...

as far as I know...

[BeanMusical]

91. Lol!

[dubyadiprecession]

81. Oh, i'm glad there are plenty of threads to make your case...

too bad you couldn't be bothered to post a link.

[jfern]

83. Also didn't Bill Clinton encourage Trump to run?

Hillary is deflecting blame as usual.

[Hydra]

106. He did, and her supporters praised the move at the time

Now it's all *crickets* because as usual, the Clintons did things and they got out of hand...and someone has to fix it. But they didn't do it!

[Tarc]

97. Doesn't at all matter how it started, the GOP adopted the birther movement with glee

as it tapped in to their inherent racism. It's all theirs.

Another McCoy attack meme goes *splat*.

[840high]

99. It matters who started it.

[BillZBubb]

102. You Hillary fanatics are pathetic. OF COURSE IT MATTERS.

It shows how low Clinton would go in a campaign. We see her doing it again and again in this one as well.

You just keep your head in the sand because she is so special to you.

[Tarc]

136. Oh, poor you.

[Nite Owl]

101. I remember that

I think she is very desperate right now as she was in '08

[Half-Century Man]

111. Yes, I'm sure she gave a wonderful speech.

Every sentence carefully crafted by professional speech writers and honed by focus groups. Each talking point and hand gesture designed to make the most of the ether.
She has one of the best public imaging teams ever brought together.
They have packaged her beautifully; a true work of art.

But
What is truly inside that packaging?
The vast majority of Hillary past gives me great concern about this version of Hillary. Past Hillary spread a lot of pain and sold it as betterment of the inflicted.
Claiming to help women and children then working to "reform" welfare along republican lines.
Claiming to champion for African Americans then working to pass extreme anti-crime bills which served no purpose other than to expand the Prison industry incarcerating African Americans.
Claiming to protect LGBT rights by locking certain rights away.
Claiming to be trying to help the Libyans by blowing up their infrastructure and eliminating their working government; thus paving the path for violent religious extremists.

Forgive me if I see the "new and improved" Hillary Wow as akin to "new and improved" potato chips that lessen sodium content by 17 grams out of 250 grams per serving.

[Vattel]

117. She has never been a birther.

You should self-delete this one.

[NuclearDem]

120. This is the 3846th time berni_mccoy has posited that the Clinton campaign is done.

This makes HA Goodman and Dick Morris look like Nostradamus.

[JoePhilly]

135. Maybe the 3847th time will be the charm!!!!

[Duppers]

121. Her supporters won't care.

Saw one here who said exactly that!

[blueintelligentsia]

122. Like this?

[Betty Karlson]

123. Clinton was ready to exploit racism in 2008, and Obama suffered for it ever since.

These lies are not going to convince anyone but the lowest of low-information voters. Just like the lie about the debates. I wish Sanders would finally take off the gloves and stop giving Clinton a free pass on every lie she issues. Come on Bernie, just a hint of Biden versus Ryan?

[Hekate]

124. I saw the speech nearly all the way through. Funny, I remember her version of history...

Must have something to do with being the same age. Her rendition seemed very accurate to me.

As for there having "been plenty of threads here discussing how she's responsible for the birther shit" -- Let me point out that no matter how many times you repeat an untruth about Hillary, it still does not make it the truth.

Just as actual right wing birthers repeated their lies about Obama constantly -- still didn't change the fact that the place full of brown people where he was born was the 50th State.

You and I listened to the same speech -- and yet you and I listened to entirely different speeches. How strange that is.

[PonyUp]

128. Again? She's in a helicopter constantly hovering over the shark. nt

[Starry Messenger]

129. Speaking of jumping the shark.

This OP.

[Orsino]

133. No, Clinton did not invent birtherism...

...and I don't think she capitalized on it, either.

[JoePhilly]

134. Not this nonsense again.

You need to get some new material.

[Petrushka]

139. Here's a video from 2008 that may or may not be relevant.

P.S.
If anyone knows how to retrieve conversations that took place on DU
during the 2008 campaign, you'll see that plenty of questions were
being raised about Obama.