It Will Be An "Open" Democratic Convention. Hillary Won't Have Enough Elected Delegates To Win

[imagine2015]

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Why Many Super Delegates Will Abandon Hillary

As I wrote back on Mach 24th:

"If Hillary can't get the number of elected (pledged) delegates needed to win the nomination and the polls continue to show Sanders is doing much better against the Republican presidential candidate, the super delegates will abandon her in droves.

Especially those in states that Sanders won in primaries.

Democratic office holders don't want to go down with her in defeat in the General Election. They will get off that sinking ship and get
on the Bernie lifeboat."

And, others will follow the wishes of their voters and support whichever candidate won their state primary.

It's becoming clear that Hillary will not be able to win enough elected (pledged) delegates to win the nomination.

It will be an "open" convention.

[onehandle]

1. Nope. The GOPNRAfest will be a shitshow. Hillary will be our nominee long before August. nt

[jcgoldie]

2. Not gunna happen

I love how these superdelegates have gone from corrupt tools of the elitist establishment overturning the democratic will of the people... to suddenly some sort of valiant saviors of the party now that its becoming evident that Sanders cannot win enough delegates to win the nomination based on the actual elections.

[BlueCaliDem]

5. Well, Super Delegates are the brain children of none other than Tad Devine, so...

[geek tragedy]

7. maybe they think superdelegates are cyborgs invented

in Tad Devine's laboratory that secretly must obey their master when the proper signal is given.

[BlueCaliDem]

10. It wouldn't surprise me. I guess when they learned what we've known for decades, that super

delegates aren't Satan-spawns since they were created by Taddy and others before most of them were even born, and they've quieted their gripes about calling super delegates undemocratic - just like Bernie. It took'em a while, but they finally understand that you don't change the rules in the middle of the game just to win.

[imagine2015]

11. The Super Delegates Did Abandon Hillary At The 2008 Convention. Remember That?

They decided to go with a winner, Obama.

And they will do so again.

Why in the world would all of her sort-of committed Super Delegates want to stay on the Titanic?

[jcgoldie]

16. they went with the winner of the election

You are proposing that they will choose the loser.

[wendylaroux]

53. lol fail!!!!!!

[jcgoldie]

60. Excuse me?

Obama won more pledged delegates. The supers switched. They didnt overturn the will of the people which is whats being proposed here now that its evident Sanders cant catch her.

[wendylaroux]

61. it aint over yet

[Ace Rothstein]

23. Obama had more pledged delegates.

If Hillary has more pledged delegates, she will be the nominee.

[imagine2015]

42. But not enough to secure the nomination.

And obviously some of those Super Delegates abandoned Hillary because they believed that Obama was a stronger candidate against the Republican.

The Super Delegates are not rule bound to vote for the candidate with the most elected delegates.

[Ace Rothstein]

44. The Super Delegates aren't going to vote for the candidate with fewer pledged delegates.

I say that as someone who voted for Bernie in the Illinois primary last month.

[mythology]

45. You provide no evidence that any significant number

Switched over electibility rather than Obama being the candidate who won the most pledged delegates.

[scscholar]

51. This. She had the popular vote, but they ignored us!

[Hoyt]

3. Loyal Democratic Party leaders are going to abandon the only Democrat, sure.

[Trust Buster]

4. This and emails are all the Sanders' folks have left. Sad actually.

[dchill]

8. "emails" - Such a benign, obfuscating term for the scandal that will soon...

envelop HRC.

[BlueCaliDem]

12. Or so Republicans hope but what ain't gonna happen. Sorry. eom

[Trust Buster]

13. You must be clairvoyant or something.

[dchill]

18. No, I just know how to read and listen.

[jcgoldie]

14. I know

Can't get more votes... let's pray for a BS scandal that no-one much understands nor cares about unless it gives them a chance to steal an election.

[geek tragedy]

15. you and the Republicans can keep on clapping for the Indictment Fairy

Fat lot of good it will do you all.

[dchill]

20. I just hope it happens before she becomes the nominee.

You should, too.

[geek tragedy]

22. I predict you and Trey Gowdy will be disappointed nt

[dchill]

24. I hope you don't think you're hurting me or my candidate...

with that crap.

[geek tragedy]

25. no, I am just saying what I think of those who form alliances of convenience

with the rightwing noise machine.

[frylock]

43. Emails, policies, voting records, lies, temperament..

it's all the Sanders' folks have left.

[geek tragedy]

6. Sanders will not steal the nomination with superdelegates. If Clinton has the most elected delegates

she's the nominee, period.

If Sanders has the most elected delegates, he's the nominee period.

This is crazy talk and it makes anyone peddling it look like someone who hates democracy.

Superdelegates were invented by Tad Devine, but he wasn't able to implant remote mind control chips in their brains.

I feel genuinely sorry for anyone who falls for this crap.

[CalvinballPro]

9. If we're just throwing out wishes in public, mine is for a Star Trek replicator with unlimited power

And I have as much chance of getting one of those delivered as Sanders does of the Democratic Convention being open.

The first round means delegates are bound how their states vote. Clinton will secure enough delegates in the remaining primaries (hey, anyone remember "let the people vote?&quot to win outright, or barring that, her super-delegate support will put her over the top on the first ballot.

Bernie will be lucky if his speaking time isn't hastened with that music you hear them play at the Oscars, or just a straight out "Wrap it up" box on the stage.

[imagine2015]

17. Wishful thinking indeed! On your part that is.

[firebrand80]

19. Well, random person with DU account said it

guess that makes it true

[Buzz Clik]

21. LOL!

[Thinkingabout]

26. With Sanders needing 60% of the rest of the delegates leaving Hillary with only needing 40%, the odd

are on Hillary's side. Besides, more votes for Hillary than Sanders by a long shot the super delegates will flock to Hillary not only because of the total votes but because she is the most qualified, the math is easy.

[imagine2015]

29. "she is the most qualified" Was she more "qualified" than Obama in 2008?

The abandoned her in 2008 and will do so again rather than go down with the Titanic.

[Thinkingabout]

46. She may have been more qualified, I can assure you she is the most qualified candidate running in

2016.

[imagine2015]

49. She is certainly more qualified than Bernie to work with and represent her Wall Street benefactors.

Is that a good thing?

[Thinkingabout]

56. She just may be better at correcting Wall Street since Sanders voted for the CFMA which played

heavily in the financial crisis. Her plan is much better than Sanders. Maybe Sanders can get the backing of his Wall Street friends.

[jonestonesusa]

62. This has been debunked so often

but Clinton supporters still say it, even as we know who Wall Street hands a 200K check to just to hear her words.

[Thinkingabout]

63. Debunked, I did not know you could debunk a voting record of a congressional member, check it again,

he did vote for this bill. He needs to tell the truth on this also since the record stands and will not be changed.

[jonestonesusa]

64. If you don't know the context behind Sanders' vote

for that bill, that's a voluntary decision.

[Thinkingabout]

65. Still waiting for the debunking of his vote, excuses for his vote does not count, it is the results

which is something he rants against, still does not take away his vote.

[jonestonesusa]

66. Do your own research on the oft-discussed vote.

Or enjoy your literalism. Your choice.

[Thinkingabout]

67. I have done the research, this is why I know Sanders voted for this bill and know it played a big

part in the financial crisis. I am still waiting for the debunk.

[floriduck]

33. In your, flock of seagulls dream. nm

[SheilaT]

36. Math. At this point he only needs 56% of the

delegates still to be selected. The percentage he needs keeps on going down.

[Thinkingabout]

47. Oh, really, how many percentage points has it gone down?

[SheilaT]

48. 56% versus 60%.

I'm sure you can figure it out.

[Thinkingabout]

50. Okay, do you think he can do this, I don't he had a few states in his favor, don't think

he will overcome and get the delegates. Hillary only needs 641 more delegates to get the nomination.

[SheilaT]

52. Yes, I do think he can do it.

Doesn't mean I'm convinced he will, but it's doable.

[yourout]

27. I would not bet on it...The party power brokers have a stranglehold on the purse strings.

Make no mistake about it.....the Dem party elites are very corrupt.

[geek tragedy]

28. are they corrupt if they vote for someone other than the pledged delegate leader, or

are they corrupt if they fail to vote for Bernie no matter who's ahead in pledged delegates?

[imagine2015]

30. Do you think they will stay with a weak candidate who can't win the general election?

They are survivors.

They put their personal self-interests first, ahead of Hillary.

If that is corrupt, so be it.

But they are not under any party rule or personal obligation to vote for Hillary or Bernie if they are ahead in elected delegates but don't have enough to win the nomination.

Super Delegates are not pledged.

[geek tragedy]

31. what will you do when your fantasy doesn't come true? nt

[imagine2015]

37. If you're right and I'm wrong we'll need to prepare for a Republican landslide win in November

Not a very happy prospect.

[geek tragedy]

38. Donald Trump in a landslide win?

Someone isn't paying attention to the world as it exists.

toodles

[Codeine]

39. Lmfao.

That line of thinking was the greatest crime in the world to Bernie fans a few months ago. Now overturning the will of the voters is all you've got.

[wendylaroux]

59. I don't think the dem. elite care,as long as it's not the candidate

that wants to tax the rich more,or get money out of politics.

So to the slimy scuzz bags who are the "dem, establishment" , would actually

prefer trump/cruz over Bernie.

[DCBob]

32. LOL..

The Supers Hillary and are by Bernie.

[auntpurl]

34. This period of the primaries was always going to favour Bernie.

If she doesn't come back in NY, PA, MD, and NJ, first of all I'll be very surprised, but second of all, then I might consider your point. Bernie has won a bunch of states in a row that (except for WA) are not particularly delegate-rich and therefore have not helped him as much as he needs to stay competitive. If he gets blown out in NY, for example, I don't think he'll continue his campaign much longer.

Let's see what things look like in a few weeks.

[Alfresco]

35. LOL!

[Downtown Hound]

40. I believe that if I clap my hands fairies will become real

more than I believe this rubbish. Seriously, time to accept reality.

[Blue_Adept]

41. I wish I could just use the eye-roll emoticon as my subject

[Beacool]

54. Sigh............

These endless posts do not change what will happen at the convention. Just like in 2008, the candidate with the most pledged delegates will be the nominee. That candidate, more likely than not, will be Hillary.

[beaglelover]

55. More delusional thinking by a bernie bro! LOL!!!!

[Land of Enchantment]

57. It is a long way off and anything can happen. nt