2016 Postmortem
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She should join Fox News.
Bernie wins by 11+, and first and only questions she has for the campaign manager is trash NY DAILY headline.
When I think she hasn't hit the floor, she keeps going lower.
amborin
(16,631 posts)Broward
(1,976 posts)Maddow certainly being one.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)Vote.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)thanks.
But I have the People vs OJ on the DVR.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)tell us about her trip to bosnia
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)As all candidates would have.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)It was not the greatest interview of all time, and he fumbled a bit on some points. But he also made important points that need to be stated and restated -- and which the Clinton DLC crowd have been ignoring for far too long.
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)Do you remember the slide show we made, which criticized the NSA, AT&T, and "W" called I will survive with your great Statue of Liberty Photo bucket?
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)Of couse i remember... Ah the good old days
islandmkl
(5,275 posts)there is always money somewhere that might make one look disingenuous....
old friends and cohorts excluded...
https://theintercept.com/2016/03/01/nra-lobbyist-will-co-host-clinton-fundraiser/
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)and IM EX bank vote and Koch but no one talks about that.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)haikugal
(6,476 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)In fact, I never considered her a journalist at all. Which publication did she ever report and write for?
I first heard her on Air America with Winstead and I think maybe Mark Maram (sp?) if memory serves?
2 Comedians. doing a kinda of quirky political chatter show on the air for a very short run, I think the show folded not long after the 2004 stolen elections.
Then I see her make cameo appearances on Keith Olbermann as a Political Pundit, doing analysis which she pulled off fairly well and with just enough sophistication to resemble a somewhat astute political analyst.. and with just enough wit to win over liberals and the big suits at MSNBC to fulfill the entertaining fluff factor. I tired of schtick very early on her first year. a couple of years later I just cut the cord altogether, because Journalism was not to be had on Cable anywhere.
A good Journalist?
If there are any links pre-MSNBC indicating a career in genuine journalism, I'd be curious.
jillan
(39,451 posts)shut up about it.
I know there has been more, but can't think of any right now.
For some reason all I can think of is her saying teeny teeny tiny, which used to grate on my nerves
2banon
(7,321 posts)and I do recall how she loved putting on Repukes on her show, and being ever soooo polite to them and doing her happy dance thing for them.. that kind of silly stuff just never worked for me.
Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)"Be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it all and some things you don't want."
islandmkl
(5,275 posts)got him into an even better series of points...
she definitely didn't like him bringing Hillary into the conversation...
jillan
(39,451 posts)dchill
(38,626 posts)Nailed down BEFORE you ask it. You can't be digging for the win on the air. This is Jeff Weaver, not Donald Trump.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)Did someone guarantee Rachel unfettered WH access to HRC if she helped carry water for the team?
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liberalla
(9,279 posts)dchill
(38,626 posts)liberalla
(9,279 posts)becoming press secretary...
I hate the way she giggles at Brian Williams. Every time he makes a comment, she thinks it's SO funny.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)They're never going to change. It's time we stopped feeding the beast.
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)Was "Well, of the last 12 contests Clinton and Sanders have each won 6!"
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)The news angle is that Sanders, given so little chance to begin with, and written off so often since, is not only still in it, but seemingly picking up steam. Yet all she can do is strain to minimize it.
Somebody seems to have gotten to MSNBC in general, but Rachel's compromised her perspective the most.
I look forward to having her back when this is over one way or the other.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Red Oak
(697 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... you are sorry.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)DirkGently
(12,151 posts)I still think Rachel is brilliant, but she actually made a face when Sanders pulled out the win in Michigan. Even other people on MSNBC seemed excited, but she just curled her lip and mumbled that they'd split the delegates so it didn't matter. She was equally bummed and nonplussed tonight.
Put down that Clinton water, Rachel. It must be getting heavy about now.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)I've never heard a really good interview from her. Not one.
She says everything three time.
Giggles through most of it.
Gossips a lot.
And acts more like a teenage cheerleader than a poised whatever it is she's supposed to be doing on MSNBC. And I sure don't know what that is anymore.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)for starters. It was out there, but people started listening when she made it a focus. She was all over Bob McDonnell before his trip to prison. She's a Rhodes Scholar and no giggling teenager.
But she is leaning over very hard for Clinton in the Dem primary of late. It's not her best moment.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Maybe you don't watch other news organizations. You might know that MSNBC isn't the only one talking about these things. As for Bridgegate, totally political and hardly news the way she covered it. You are more accepting of labels than I am. She says she's a policy wonk. She might actually be better on something like MTP - I've said that before. But she is hardly good at her current job. McDonnell - more politics and of course it was out there.
You can say she isn't a giggling teenager but she sounds and acts like one. Haven't you seen the Bernie bashing? She is always part of it. I'm sorry but that's not journalism or objective reporting or even professional.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)representative of Rachel's overall quality as a journalist and commentator. Which makes it all the more disappointing to me.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Is that why Clinton misspoke about the nuclear option when she meant military option?
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Impedimentus
(898 posts)Perhaps, now that's she's been totally corrupted by money she's trying for the REALLY BIG bucks?
FEEL THE BERN - 2016
Nite Owl
(11,303 posts)and she'll be at Fox
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)So anything is possible.
https://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/megyn-kelly-says-options-open-on-leaving-fox-you-call-huckabee-fckabee-and-youre-gone/
Kellys contract with Fox ends after the November election, and she says that she is keeping her options open.
Never say never. I dont know whats going to happen, the Fox News host observes. Ive had a great 12 years here, and I really like working for Roger Ailes. I really like my show, and I love my team. But you know, theres a lot of brain damage that comes from the job.
According to Kelly, a less controversial role like NBCs Today morning show or her own talk show would result in far less conflict in my life.
You have to wake up so early, she says of the Today show. Listen, this is a fickle business. What if they called me and fired me tomorrow? I have to keep my options open.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)She's not leaving Faux. She's a right wing hack and would fail any place else.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)It's the "Coach Parks Syndrome."
I went to a largely affluent high school. I was middle class, there was a lot of culture shock, but the school was in one of the most affluent towns in California. That meant the parents sank a LOT of money in the football team. The key players, the cheerleaders, the whole enchilada largely...but not exclusively...was made up of "Top 1%ers" students.
The parents only cared about one thing...winning...and the cash flow to that team was a 1%er cash flow.
Then there was Coach Parks. A mean son of a bitch, the worst caricature of a bulldog ass of a high school football coach you could imagine.
EVERY year, Coach Parks would say "Wellllllllll...i think this is going to be my last season."
BOOM...parents gifted him with a motor home. One of those that was bigger than the house I lived in.
Next year?
"Wellllllllll...i think this is going to be my last season."
BOOM...now he has a boat. BIG boat.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
So yeah, Megan is not saying "I've signed a deal, I'm out."
She's letting Uncle Roger know she has some payback coming.
My guess is that Uncle Roger isn't all that generous. He probably sees Hannity and O'Reilly as his "stars" and is willing to let anyone else walk.
madamesilverspurs
(15,821 posts)she's terrific company for the rest of us who don't measure up to your "standards".
mythology
(9,527 posts)But a dozen duplicate posts about the same unsourced crappy article from Margot Kiddor on counterpunch are lauded as absolute unvarnished truth. Objectivity is sadly missing.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)These delicate flowers are hilarious.
Impedimentus
(898 posts)Hacks for Sanders - 2016
FEEL THE BERN - 2016
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I knew her (as a fan) in AARadio days... Not the same shtick. Not the same yearn for honest discussion.
It happens. Good luck Rachel, but I don't miss ya cause I don't watch ya, and when I catch a glimpse (like early tonight), I confirm WHY.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)There is nothing on MSNBC I watch anymore - yes I check in from time to time but I never stay. I won't miss them at all.
Shep Smith on Fox is more fun and interesting than anyone on MSNBC. And both of them come cheaper.
rockfordfile
(8,709 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)People get sooo upset just because, " don't feel the Bern.' People are entitled to feel and think for themselves. Chris Hayes is on your side.. He is bummed about all this but we allow him to feel as he wishes we don't go after him viciously. What is the big deal? He is not the Pope... it's disturbing...
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)he is under the MSNBC requirement that you promote Clinton all the time. It was only RM that I stopped watching years ago. Perhaps you don't watch him. If you did, you'd have seen him, R, and Korny totally mock Bernie after an interview she did. The first decent interview I've seen Hayes do without after-talk bashing was his silence when Michelle Alexander - can remember now talked about Bernie and Blacks. She told it and he was pretty much speechless for once. I would love everyone to see:
Actually, I think I saw this on DU. Cuz I really can't watch it anymore.
That is the first unbiased interview and without after-bashing Bernie that I've seen on MSNBC.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)She is right about Bill Clinton, the 90's and today. I guess, I don't see the bashing of Bernie at the scale that you do... I see Hilary a woman, former first lady who has worked hard for democrats for years... being called every filthy name you can think of. at every opportunity. Almost as if she is the personal punching bag of some. Sanders took her name to the campaign trail and made people think she was really all up in big oil, campaign finance shenanigans and getting paid for speeches. Most first ladies got paid for speeches and the men get paid even more but Hillary's speeches are the only ones t hat sound nasty to people,why? Because of Bernie and his rhetoric of a woman getting paid to speak. A SEC of STATE former fist Lady. How dare she. He hung her up on a PINATA everyday for a year and was praised for it. $$ in politics.. Bernie has some of that too and it should look worse on him since he is running a purity campaign about $$ in politics..but it does't people only care about Hillary and beating her to the ground..
To me, Bernie had a good message but that alone was not enough and shouldn't be. I think, we all should try too wear someone elses glasses now and again. I'll try to tone down my rhetoric here and be more tuned in with how others feel..
Peace.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Can you see Bernie shouting? http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hillary-clintons-strengths-and-anger-white-house-revealed
You know, everything she does just like everything he does publicly has consequences. She flipped on TPP, fracking, banking, she's a moderate on climate change, - none of which would have happened without him messaging her points of view on issues. That is absolutely relevant to a campaign and election. You think she's a nice lady, well maybe. I don't know. That isn't relevant to me. But the I'm not voting for a next-door neighbor. I'm voting for someone to give us our democracy and safety net back.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)He's a friend of Sam Seder who is all in for Bernie and I think Hayes has a very compassionate and just side to him. But he's taking money from MSNBC so that his public allegiance and he's doing the job.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)He tackles more interesting and more relevant topics. I hope his audience sticks with him. After the GE, I might return but he's the only one and that includes O'Donnell.
Tonight on an MSNBC panel after it was over he, John Nichols and Jan gave some honest opinions and it was nice to hear. Joy Reid looked like she could strangle a snake. A fifth guy really didn't say much.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)What a MESS this election has been, I think for all Candidates..INC repukes..
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Maddow has lost all credibility.
Nyan
(1,192 posts)If you give favorable coverage to Bernie, you end up like Ed Schultz (although he seems to be doing okay these days).
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)I'm just saying that amount of dollar figure plus the glamour that comes with big-shot host status certainly play a part in her self-rationalization.
appalachiablue
(41,204 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,261 posts).
I can't believe they cut off a Dem candidate, giving a speach, to report on some Trump announcement!
Catering to the Young Gun Republicans.
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hibbing
(10,113 posts)I have a hard time even watching when he is on. Him and all his little quips and jokes every single time he opens his mouth that he thinks are just oh so funny...blah.
Anyone can become a political commentator, all you need to do is use the words "pivot" and "optics".
Peace
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)And I grew up watching NBC News. Williams whine/twang/????/whatever hurt my ears. Just didn't sound genuine, real or normal even. I'm laughing. Thought I was the only one! MSNBC is not the better for him. Now they have two unlistenable people. I wonder how low rating will have to get for MSNBC to figure out how to run a news network?
You know, he reminds me of Brit Hume. Is it that Eastern Uppity stuff I'm seeing?
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Both Maddow and O'Donneel were waiting for him to get out whatever it was he was trying to say. He is not quick nor sharp. I wonder if his days aren't numbered. It was a little pitiful.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)The one issue that Hillary owns.
ecstatic
(32,786 posts)doesn't have a clue on how to implement the single issue he has been obsessed with for 30+ years? Really?
Is it wrong for someone to request more details on how he plans to make good on his promises?
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)Because Bernie supporters believe she's in Hillary's camp, and Hillary supporters believe she's a Bernie supporter.
Rachel is a policy wonk who also happens to be very progressive. I think her progressiveness inclines her towards Bernie, and her wonkiness inclines her towards Clinton. In the end she just likes to analyze stuff on TV, without necessarily shilling for everyone. And these innuendos that she's sold her soul for a cushy White House job are just ugly.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Those of us who used to watch her know better. Perhaps you don't watch much?
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)She is not a journalist, she is a propagandist.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)haikugal
(6,476 posts)longer there...sorry Rachael, I'm just not into you.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Will get even stronger from here on out!
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stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)Or, money.
It could be the money.
But, she was SO GOOD on Air America! And, this Rachel Maddow is SO BAD and so clearly a shill. So, I'm thinking the pods got her while she was sleeping. Yep.