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RealAmericanDem

(221 posts)
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:07 AM Apr 2016

Bernie needs to lighten up.


First the math.

For Hillary to win the nomination she only needs to win 36% in the remaining states. Bernie would need to win 77% in ALL the remaining states.

Because of the Supreme Court it is CRITICAL that a dem win the White House.

Bernie needs to be careful not to give the repubs even more ammunition.
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Bernie needs to lighten up. (Original Post) RealAmericanDem Apr 2016 OP
Yeah, HE should really watch his step hereforthevoting Apr 2016 #1
Careful, the HRC social media police will whack you... Yurovsky Apr 2016 #59
Bernie will never lighten up, sorry not sorry pinebox Apr 2016 #2
Wrong. Hillary wins against Cruz in every Poll except Fox RealAmericanDem Apr 2016 #25
Sanders would win in a landslide shawn703 Apr 2016 #35
And if you were a woman you could have babies. RealAmericanDem Apr 2016 #40
Then stop playing the what if game TM99 Apr 2016 #56
We shall see pinebox Apr 2016 #36
77%? where did you get those numbers? You are so wrong its not even funny litlbilly Apr 2016 #57
Bernie needs to campaign hard for every vote and every delegate until the convention. aikoaiko Apr 2016 #3
Bernie needs to keep moving forward, LWolf Apr 2016 #4
Relax, Sanders will do fine in the GE GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #5
And working for her corporate cronies. Plus sucking up to Kissinger.. GoneOffShore Apr 2016 #43
It seems that there is always something that Bernie needs to do. peace13 Apr 2016 #6
Isn't it usually the case that people who always find things about OTHER people that need improving pdsimdars Apr 2016 #13
why, yes. I do believe that is true. LOL!! pangaia Apr 2016 #28
21 Primaries left... HumanityExperiment Apr 2016 #7
Come on guys, if this is what they believe, let them sit back and phone it in pdsimdars Apr 2016 #10
good point!... HumanityExperiment Apr 2016 #16
You people who want to claim "math" as your standard bearer need to actually do some hellofromreddit Apr 2016 #8
Your numbers are wrong, based on false premises. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #9
Moderate performance through to California and then a 77% blowout... kristopher Apr 2016 #14
CA has 475 morningfog Apr 2016 #19
548 total delegate votes - 317 district / 105 at large; 53 Pledged PLEOs; 73 Unpledged PLEO kristopher Apr 2016 #23
Yes. morningfog Apr 2016 #24
No, Hillary has to realize that there is NOTHING that the GOP does not already know djean111 Apr 2016 #11
and . .. it is Hillary who has done the dirty stuff, not Bernie pdsimdars Apr 2016 #17
Yup. djean111 Apr 2016 #18
Both... Yurovsky Apr 2016 #60
There's no way I'd vote Hillary. I only voted for Bernie. Joob Apr 2016 #12
Well put. djean111 Apr 2016 #20
Thank you... Yurovsky Apr 2016 #61
If you think Bernie needs to lighten up JackInGreen Apr 2016 #15
36% + 77% = 113%. It should not add up to more than 100%, but I have seen in other Cal33 Apr 2016 #21
He's buying his own hype now, and it's all about his ego at this point. He won't admit he lost.nt CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #22
This is such a lame meme. KPN Apr 2016 #38
Longer than you and your candidate combined. CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #48
Lol! KPN Apr 2016 #55
You must be projecting, Calvin. JudyM Apr 2016 #47
Losing in every metric possible, but you won't be fooled by a pesky little thing like facts! CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #49
I'm referring to your supposition that it is about ego... rather than a lifelong anti-corruption JudyM Apr 2016 #50
Do you mean Bernie? Sorry, he seems the least egotistical candidate in my lifetime Baobab Apr 2016 #53
More bullshit super delegated numbers + FEAR, FEAR, FEAR! Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #26
Oh shut up. I hear this shit day after day after day after day. week after week after week pangaia Apr 2016 #27
Refreshing! KPN Apr 2016 #39
Arrgghhh sometimes I just sort of lose it... pangaia Apr 2016 #63
Bernie should keep on doing as he is doing. 99Forever Apr 2016 #29
Bernie should be light hearted and fun, like Hillary left-of-center2012 Apr 2016 #30
This would require a different policy on guns and ammunition. stone space Apr 2016 #31
Actually it is Hillary... Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #32
She is the one giving them the ammunition artislife Apr 2016 #33
That's just silly. roody Apr 2016 #34
The math in the top post, the 36%, is nonsense Jarqui Apr 2016 #37
New York will end this. RealAmericanDem Apr 2016 #41
Yes it will, for Hillary. You just watch... litlbilly Apr 2016 #58
And this time we REALLY mean it! frylock Apr 2016 #62
First person on my ignore list today. Good bye. liberal_at_heart Apr 2016 #42
Candidates need to toughen up. n/t Orsino Apr 2016 #44
Bernie isn't saying ANYTHING they don't already know. Skwmom Apr 2016 #45
LIGHTEN UP AND BERN IT DOWN !!! Hiraeth Apr 2016 #46
When you say "a dem" are you including Hillary? Baobab Apr 2016 #51
Who would make better SC appointments? Bernie or Hillary. Fuddnik Apr 2016 #52
Your math is wrong Kalidurga Apr 2016 #54
The Clintons create their own ammunition. pangaia Apr 2016 #64
If Hillary is the nominee the GOP won't have to "win" NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #65
are you including the non-binding super-delegates? Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #66
Why would any supers switch if Bernie is not ahead in popular votes. RealAmericanDem Apr 2016 #67
it's not almost impossible... he needs to win 56-58% of remaining delegates Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #69
It's called an election. He is running. Cobalt Violet Apr 2016 #68

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
59. Careful, the HRC social media police will whack you...
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:47 PM
Apr 2016

if you question HRC's stability.

I've already gotten a spanking today and hit on the nose with a rolled-up newspaper. I've gotten less punishment for knocking over the kitchen garbage... 🐶

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
2. Bernie will never lighten up, sorry not sorry
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:09 AM
Apr 2016

And to say "Bernie needs to be careful not to give the repubs even more ammunition" because heaven knows there isn't decades out there already against Hillary, right?

Here's the deal, Hillary supporters need to get serious and realize that a Hillary nomination is a Dem loss in the general. More than likely, Trump won't be the nominee and who does that leave? Cruz. She loses in polls against Cruz.

Are you afraid? You should be.

shawn703

(2,702 posts)
35. Sanders would win in a landslide
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:28 AM
Apr 2016

A landslide would help down ticket Dems more than fundraising ever would. Wouldn't you rather our New Democratic president work with a Democratic Congress than a Republican one?

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
56. Then stop playing the what if game
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:35 PM
Apr 2016

now yourself.

What if Sanders keeps running when the math says he will lose? Well you predict it will harm Clinton in the GE with the GOP.

You have a crystal ball now? You are psychic now?

That is what if think as well.

The bottom line is you think you are smarter than the rest of us so your what if is 'right' while our's is 'wrong'.

Yeah...

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
36. We shall see
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:29 AM
Apr 2016

because a few weeks ago it was the other way around.

Personally I think we'll see Paul Ryan probably get the nod. If that does indeed happen, it won't bode well for you Dems should Hillary be the nominee.

A Ryan/Cruz ticket?

In the end, I do believe Hillary will lose the GE if she is nominated. There are many liberals who will never support her. It is what it is.

aikoaiko

(34,186 posts)
3. Bernie needs to campaign hard for every vote and every delegate until the convention.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:09 AM
Apr 2016

Because the status quo lovers will use every lost vote against those who want to move the party left.

Bernie is not providing Republicans any ammunition.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
4. Bernie needs to keep moving forward,
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:09 AM
Apr 2016

keep the momentum going.

Because it is CRITICAL that we not put another neoliberal in the WH.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
6. It seems that there is always something that Bernie needs to do.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:12 AM
Apr 2016

If you look back over the last four months, there hasn't been a day that there wasn't a new memo about what he should do. It was old then and it's really old now.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
13. Isn't it usually the case that people who always find things about OTHER people that need improving
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:17 AM
Apr 2016

aren't THEY usually the ones who need to take a long, hard look in the mirror?

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
7. 21 Primaries left...
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:12 AM
Apr 2016

Math...

Your point only 'works' if past trends overcome current trends, the more time Bernie has to campaign in a given state the worse the outcome it will be for HRC

HRC needs to be careful not to overlook the reality of this movement that is supporting Bernie

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
10. Come on guys, if this is what they believe, let them sit back and phone it in
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:14 AM
Apr 2016

nothing to worry about, got it in the bag. . .
Tortiose and Hare much?

 

hellofromreddit

(1,182 posts)
8. You people who want to claim "math" as your standard bearer need to actually do some
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:12 AM
Apr 2016

Show your work.

Where does your 77% number come from, what assumptions did you have to make in your calculations, and how do you justify them?

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
14. Moderate performance through to California and then a 77% blowout...
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:17 AM
Apr 2016

California has 548 delegates, right?

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
23. 548 total delegate votes - 317 district / 105 at large; 53 Pledged PLEOs; 73 Unpledged PLEO
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:59 AM
Apr 2016
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/CA-D

475 pledge-able delegates, right? With the balance as super delegates?

Thanks.
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
11. No, Hillary has to realize that there is NOTHING that the GOP does not already know
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:15 AM
Apr 2016

and plan to use against her if she is the candidate. Stop trying to set up excuses for when she loses, and it looks like she would lose, if nominated.

For fuck's sake, anyone with a computer and an internet link can find unsavory stuff about Hillary (and Bill) because it is already out there and because they actually did that stuff.

Pretending Bernie would use ammo the the GOP would never use is ridiculous. or stupid. or deliberately incorrect. And it is Hillary who plans a dirty campaign, not Bernie.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
18. Yup.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:21 AM
Apr 2016

The blinders and denial about this is truly astounding. Either they are idiots or they think we are idiots. or both.

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
60. Both...
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:49 PM
Apr 2016

I think most HRC loyalists just want us to sit down, STFU, and do as we are told.

They don't know me very well... 😆

Joob

(1,065 posts)
12. There's no way I'd vote Hillary. I only voted for Bernie.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:16 AM
Apr 2016

Before you go all blah blah selfish blah on me.
Hillary herself said Bernie Sanders is not really a Democrat.
So don't think for a second, that a first time voter who votes Bernie Sanders is either. IF Bernie isn't a Democrat.

Quite frankly, I don't like how disgusting it is most Democrats defend Hillary Clinton.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
20. Well put.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:23 AM
Apr 2016

And they do not understand that, not one little tiny bit.
I have been a Democrat all of my life, by the way, and I couldn't defend Hillary Clinton one little bit. There are lots of us.

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
61. Thank you...
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:52 PM
Apr 2016

glad to know not everyone is onboard with Team Goldman Sachs... And those that defend taking Wall Street money and say we're being naive? I'd rather be considered naive than a tool for the corporate bastards who are crushing working-class and poor Americans for profit (and amusement, I reckon).

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
21. 36% + 77% = 113%. It should not add up to more than 100%, but I have seen in other
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:24 AM
Apr 2016

posts in the recent past where the same thing occurred. I don't understand this. Can
anyone explain? Thanks.

KPN

(15,677 posts)
38. This is such a lame meme.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:34 AM
Apr 2016

If there's a democratic candidate with an ego problem, it's the Queen.

Stuff like this reveals just how desperate and out of touch some folks are. Get with the program -- you are a Democrat, are you not?

 

CalvinballPro

(1,019 posts)
48. Longer than you and your candidate combined.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 01:49 PM
Apr 2016

That's why proclamations by poseurs like you don't mean much to me.

I've been backing Democratic candidates since before you cast your first ballot for Ron Paul.

KPN

(15,677 posts)
55. Lol!
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:31 PM
Apr 2016

Hahaha. You don't have a clue who you're talking to. I've been a registered Dem since 1969. Can you beat that gamer?

 

CalvinballPro

(1,019 posts)
49. Losing in every metric possible, but you won't be fooled by a pesky little thing like facts!
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 01:50 PM
Apr 2016

Will you?

JudyM

(29,294 posts)
50. I'm referring to your supposition that it is about ego... rather than a lifelong anti-corruption
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 01:59 PM
Apr 2016

effort that is finally getting airtime.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
53. Do you mean Bernie? Sorry, he seems the least egotistical candidate in my lifetime
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:08 PM
Apr 2016

by far. Please stop this. You are only hurting Hillary by making her seem so desperate.

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
26. More bullshit super delegated numbers + FEAR, FEAR, FEAR!
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:15 AM
Apr 2016

Ain't buying bullshit with a heaping helping of fear today, thanks. Try again.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
27. Oh shut up. I hear this shit day after day after day after day. week after week after week
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:17 AM
Apr 2016

If you're going to post something, at least make it something new and original..

Actually HILLARY should lighten up.. in fact why doesn't she just quit now.

The woman is insufferable.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
29. Bernie should keep on doing as he is doing.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:18 AM
Apr 2016

He's winning state after state and his momentum keeps right on growing.

Whether Hillary or any of the other bought and paid for establishment goons like it or not is irrelevant. It's OUR party not theirs.

If you want campaign advice, give it to Ms Goldman Sachs. She's the one circling the bowl.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
31. This would require a different policy on guns and ammunition.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:20 AM
Apr 2016
Bernie needs to be careful not to give the repubs even more ammunition.


But this indeed a worthy goal.



 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
32. Actually it is Hillary...
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:23 AM
Apr 2016

That must win the supporters. If Hillary can not convince Dems to join her in the GE that is in no way Bernie's doing. It is Hillary's task to persuade his supporters to join her team in the event she wins the primaries. Same for Bernie of course should he win.

Hillary could start by releasing her transcripts of speeches to Wall Street so we know what she says behind closed doors.

Next she could promise woman she would not make a deal with republicans limiting women's access to birth control and healthcare (which she has said she WILL do to open talks).

Finally she would be wise to keep her hawkish beliefs and step away from associating with Kissinger!

Three easy steps!

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
33. She is the one giving them the ammunition
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:23 AM
Apr 2016

And why would we want to hide her faults? We have a Dem in the White House and we still don't have a replacement in place for Scalia. What we need is a congress full of progressives. She has very little pull in bringing them in.

Jarqui

(10,131 posts)
37. The math in the top post, the 36%, is nonsense
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:31 AM
Apr 2016

The real math is closer to Hillary must win 44% of the remaining elected delegates to win the primary contest for elected delegates.

Super delegates don't count because they can switch their vote like they did for Obama when he won the most elected delegates.

Secondly, of the two candidates, the person with the best chance to win the White House against the GOP is Bernie Sanders. His advantage is even greater on a state by state basis and has steadily improved as he gone around from state to state to campaign. By the end of the primary, he will be even stronger than he is now.

v Trump Clinton +10.8, Sanders +16.0
v Cruz Clinton +3.1, Sanders +9.8
v Kasich Clinton -6.3, Sanders +1.3

On average, Sanders does 6.5 pts better than Clinton against the top 3 GOP contenders and beats all of them. Clinton is already losing pretty badly to Kasich, has nothng over Cruz and barely beats Trump.

So there is no question: the best bet if the Supreme Court concerns a Dem is Bernie Sanders. Between Hillary and Bernie, Bernie has the best chance to win the White House over a GOP candidate.

As for ammunition, the pending email scandal, the pending Clinton Foundation scandal and the Panama Papers along with all of her prior scandals that will get revisited has resulted in a GOP office being opened in 2014 to test market damaging ads for two years before the election against Hillary. The biggest election debate for the GOP will be which Hillary hit ads to run with Koch money. Elect Bernie Sanders in the primary and that problem disappears.

Hillary also has this problem:
"Marist Poll: 25 percent of Sanders voters would shun Clinton"

The reason Sanders does better is proven by the same reason Clinton supporters whine about open primaries. Independents and Republicans like Bernie much better than Hillary. Hillary hatred is likely to bring out more GOP votes against the Dems.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
52. Who would make better SC appointments? Bernie or Hillary.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:03 PM
Apr 2016

I know Bernie wouldn't nominate corporate toadies who are soft on social issues.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
64. The Clintons create their own ammunition.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 03:47 PM
Apr 2016


Clinton, SOS, UBS CIA...speaking fees.... doobie doobie

It's all just a big circle jerk and we ain't invited.

RealAmericanDem

(221 posts)
67. Why would any supers switch if Bernie is not ahead in popular votes.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:29 AM
Apr 2016

And the math makes it almost impossible for him to get ahead.
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